Bye the way they are releasing it this Friday Aug 14th. I don't see any additional info on the blog (specs etc.)
From The website: "We will be sending you an early edition of the KISS OS for free. Thank you for your continuing support, and have fun with KISS OS! We will be distributing it on Friday, August 14th, so keep an eye on your email inbox."
"As the KISS OS needs the expanded memory to run, only those who have purchased our SRAM Memory Expansion board will be sent the operating system."
What does the KISS OS do? If you can fully explain what it does and how it works and what the use is; your boards will be sold out in no time! Please explain it.
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microcontrolled: I have not been involved in the development process, so I can only explain so much. I will do my best.
KISS OS is an operating system for the Parallax Propeller microcontroller with the condition that there is enough space to run it. The SRAM Expansion board we created is therefore needed to run the OS. It has many of the features of an OS you would expect. It does file manipulation and resource management as you would expect.
What most of you want to hear is the abstract addressing. The KISS OS was built specifically to manage and run the cognitive software Dr. Gouge has created. Therefore, it has a lot of memory manipulation built in, to transfer from 32k Prop Hub RAM to ERAM (the board we created) to VRAM (a slow serial permanent storage - thumb drive) back and forth, etc. It must manage these memory types in order for the cognitive software to work.
The version we are putting out on Friday will be keyboard accessable. We have not yet implemented the voice recognition. Dr. Gouge is still working on that, but making good progress. His voice recognition uses his cognitive software, so when that comes out, a part of the cognition will already be there. He will add to that for various input devices.
One clever trick Dr. Gouge implements is that any data that can become 1s and 0s can be manipulated by his cognitive software. Sound, images, motion sensors, odor sensor, you name it. As long as it can be translated into binary, the software can handle it.
You will also be able to create your own routines and use them.
I know you are looking for more detailed information than that. This is the best I can do without interviewing Dr. Gouge and getting direct input from him.
I bet you can read that in the KISS-OS description that comes along with the free OS.
And I think they'll put the manual for it on-line as soon as they ship.
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What does the KISS OS do? If you can fully explain what it does and how it works and what the use is; your boards will be sold out in no time! Please explain it.
There was a review of it in Servo, or one of those magazines. I might have glanced at it recently, so check your newsstands. The review, while only one page, covered it quite well, and listed the commands. The same reviewer reviewed ViewPort on the next page. Maybe they should put the review on their website. As if any of the critics here would actually read it.
I see a product announcement for the debugger, the servo controller, and the memory "expansion", nothing about the OS, certainly no description of the functionality and usage (commands).
You see, this is my problem with this whole thing...
@mallred: One clever trick Dr. Gouge implements is that any data that can become 1s and 0s can be manipulated by his cognitive software. Sound, images, motion sensors, odor sensor, you name it. As long as it can be translated into binary, the software can handle it.
That's not a "clever trick," that's a feature claim.· And it is a very dramatic feature claim.· I once talked semi-frequently with a guy who burned USD$80,000,000 in venture capital trying to make good on that exact same claim.· And he was not a charlatan; now that the 80 mil is gone he is not a rich man, he continues to work on his system, and has enthusiastic volunteers who help him with it even though he can't pay them any more.
A "clever trick" would be something like "he uses a two tiered virtual memory system to overcome the Propeller's RAM limitations, and manages to make it work by at [noparse][[/noparse]surprising scale] because [noparse][[/noparse]trick I haven't thought of]."· (I am working on a virtual memory system myself, and just ordered a Morpheus in case my even crazier idea doesn't pan out.· But there are some expensive data structures you either need or have to explain why you don't need, and "it's a clever trick" is not an explanation.)
I get the sense -- the really strong sense -- that the sale of these overpriced accessories is funding Dr. Gouge's "research" (where "research" might range from "brilliant, enthusiastic, and genuine but underfunded" to "Dr. Gouge needs beer"), and there are lots of people who have gone before who were much better funded than you can ever expect to be selling Propeller accessories and shares in your vaporware AI, all of whom have disappointed their believers.· Every single time.
And often, the problem is that they expected their wares, which were surprisingly good at learning to detect patterns, to develop initiative which seems to be what is ultimately being promised here, that the box will learn natural language on its own and ultimately ask you sensible questions.· The person who figures out how to do that will not be wasting his time here.· He won't be using 360 nM process processors that run at 80 MHz even if they do have eight cores per chip, because things with far more power at far higher scale including the parallelism have failed so far.·
With my complete lack of formal technical training/electronics I thought I was missing something.
Heck, I've felt that way the entire way through the video series...
Be nice if some clever person came up with this... I've been banging my head on the desk
for the last month working on primitive voice recognition for the Prop.
So far, my teenagers listen better... (Not a good sign for this project)
I thought it was about time we had another one of these threads
mallred said...
One clever trick Dr. Gouge implements is that any data that can become 1s and 0s can be manipulated by his cognitive software. Sound, images, motion sensors, odor sensor, you name it. As long as it can be translated into binary, the software can handle it.
Mark, can you please explain what's so clever about what EVERY digital computer has been doing for decades?
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What most of you want to hear is the abstract addressing. The KISS OS was built specifically to manage and run the cognitive software Dr. Gouge has created. Therefore, it has a lot of memory manipulation built in, to transfer from 32k Prop Hub RAM to ERAM (the board we created) to VRAM (a slow serial permanent storage - thumb drive) back and forth, etc. It must manage these memory types in order for the cognitive software to work.
No, Mark - what most of us want to hear is why you think this makes KISS OS different to what many others have already done with the Propeller - and have done faster, in less space, without requiring overpriced custom hardware - and have released for free.
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Despite the lack of detail on the product, I think it's nice of them to give away part of their profit. Those who bought the memory expansion boards probably would have bought the software anyway, so it appears that Dr. Gouge is cutting into his profit.
@localroger & RossH: Don't you start talking on one of these treads again! You always put him on the defence and then we can NEVER get any information because it turns into a big, dramatic, argument! Let's keep it clean on this tread, okey?
@mallred: Just how much ARE your RAM boards? is the Prop included?
As a could-be buyer wy would I want to buy your product? What does it acomplish?
P.S. Is Dr. Gouge the same as Dr. Jim? What kind of "Dr." is he?
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Hello Mark ! Go kindly offencive by telling us the features, commands and the advantages of the KISS OS that makes it worth spending $150 to buy the RAM extensionboard
how about little pictures of Dr. Jim and Dr. Gouge ?
if he was responsible for the telemetry systems at the NASA for the moonlanding he must have been minimum 30 years around 1969 so today he's around 70 years old.
why can I NOT find any traces of him by google ?
the email-adress of him is jim@machineinteltech.com
Is he the same person as Dr. Jim ? ?!??
the picture that should demonstrate that the servo-pulse-software has no jitter is some kind of "jittery" itself
This picture might be even "photoshopped"
The user of this oscilloscope seems to be a totally electronically newbee as the green trace seems to be on maximun DISfocused !
No information about the timebase if it is 100 milliseconds per unit you can't see any jitter at all
The oscilloscope seems to be 20 years old.
To me a lot of things that makes me think is it a serious company ?
More and more I got the impression that Mark just tries to pimp up his overprised things he wants to sell
So once more I call "show us working results !"
Can you wipe away my doubts by answering on these questions in a clear way ?
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Stefan
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$150?!?!? Well, sorry, but you will have to just have to "pretend" that I am a potential buyer because I don't even have that much spending money!
As speaking for the people that can afford it you will have to give them some kind of substance that can interest them. Answer the following questions that buyers will want to know if they are going to spend there $150 on the extended RAM card:
1. What does it do besides use the extended memory?
2. What can you accomplish in using this card and OS?
3. What extra hardware will I need to use this OS?
4. How does it work? Is there a video demonstration?
5. When will speach recognition be implimented? Will it also be sold seperate as a Propeller object?
6. What skills will be needed to operate this system? Is it more geared for the seasoned programmer, the intermediate programmer, the beginner programmer, someone with only simple computer skills, or someone who is not hardly technology literate?
7. What will I gain by this software and hardware and what can they do to help me?
8. Why is it worth the money?
If you can answer these 8 simple questons then you will interest buyers into buying your product.
P.S. This took forever to type up on my Palm Pilot!
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I think it is amusing that you ask localroger and I not to comment on this thread any more (actually, I'm happy to oblige - so this will be my last post in this thread, or in fact any other started by Mark and Dr Jim/Gouge) and then you post the above - which contains pretty much the same questions that we (and others) originally started out asking in the various previous threads
We never got any sensible answers - I wish you better luck!
Rossh.
Edit: smileys added - just so you know I'm not at all offended by the request to stay out of the thread!
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Ok, now that we got rid of HIM we can finally talk [noparse]:)[/noparse]
1. What does it do besides use the extended memory? - manage files and resources, and many resources built in for machine intelligence to work. without the os, Dr. Jim's version of machine intelligence would not be possible.
2. What can you accomplish in using this card and OS? - it's all about the killer app, machine intelligence - talk to your computer and have it talk back to you and truly learn
3. What extra hardware will I need to use this OS? - the datalogger, a modified Prop Proto USB board, if you follow the project, you will need a minimum of 4 Prop Proto USB boards and at least 2 ERAM boards
4. How does it work? Is there a video demonstration? - have been building it. About to be released in Beta. Will have command set available fairly soon.
5. When will speach recognition be implimented? Will it also be sold seperate as a Propeller object? - soon. cannot be sold separately. uses machine intelligence to work, so must have whole package for this piece
6. What skills will be needed to operate this system? Is it more geared for the seasoned programmer, the intermediate programmer, the beginner programmer, someone with only simple computer skills, or someone who is not hardly technology literate? - we hope to develop enough product and documentation to allow even the novice to build this android along with us, but that takes time. Therefore, my recommendation at this point would be intermediate to seasoned.
7. What will I gain by this software and hardware and what can they do to help me? - can teach your robot to talk and understand you. can hold conversations with it, rough at first, then more elaborate. can build a robot around it and pass in data streams from any sensory device, it will learn by vision, hearing, touch, or any sense you choose to add to it.
8. Why is it worth the money? - to be able to do things with your robot that have never been done before and be one of the first to do it. You will be on the bleeding edge of the opening of a new industry of the cognitive android.
localroger said: ..."And often, the problem is that they expected their wares, which were surprisingly good at learning to detect patterns, to develop initiative which seems to be what is ultimately being promised here, that the box will learn natural language on its own and ultimately ask you sensible questions. The person who figures out how to do that will not be wasting his time here. He won't be using 360 nM process processors that run at 80 MHz even if they do have eight cores per chip, because things with far more power at far higher scale including the parallelism have failed so far."
Good points. We are giving a first solid go at a robot with initiative, that is true. We are trying hard to build this. A worthwhile task when so many others have failed? Perhaps Dr. Gouge has thought of it in a way no one else has, therefore not requiring as much power as in the past to accomplish even greater things? He thinks out of the box farther than most. It would be nice if he actually accomplished it. When he does, I will be there to see it.
mallred said...
you will need a minimum of 4 Prop Proto USB boards
Can't you also use the regular (no USB) protoboards? The only reason why you would need the USB version is to program it, and that you can do easily enough with a prop-plug.
Will the OS and AI be accessible to modify once bought? Could the project complexity range from a Boe-Bot controlled by it to a humaniod robot? WILL it REALLY work? Even if you cannot get it to learn will it still be able to be used for the speech recognition?
Speech recognition for the Propeller is highly desireable so even if you cannot get it to learn just selling that would bring you in a profit. Good Luck.
P.S. Can we have an interview with Dr. Gouge / Dr. Jim?
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Speech recognition for the Propeller is highly desireable so even if you cannot get it to learn just selling that would bring you in a profit. Good Luck.
Faux AI with speech is an area of interest of mine, I've done several pc based projects based on· A.L.I.C.E. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artificial_Linguistic_Internet_Computer_Entity)·with speech and speech recognition.·I am able to have audible 'conversations' with my pc. ·I've often wanted to create a stand alone ucontroller project with similar functionality.·
My take is that not all of this has to be done in any single chip - I am using a WTS701 platform chip module (http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/htm/Sp03doc.shtm). This is not unlike using a vision, distance or other modular where needed.· I see there are some references on the net·to a VR Stamp module, but sadly it seems they are either no longer made or otherwise available.
From my limited research, I'd say that speech recognition requires a decent amount of ram and processing power.· No doubt that is one of the reasons the apparent KISS OS has such high requirements, and likley well beyond the abilties of a single Propeller.· With that in mind, I think I will pursue an ARM based project or perhaps a dsPIC that already includes a VR library...·
It does not use a single Propeller, it uses 4 and an external RAM card.
@mallred: $900 bucks?!?! Look, I know that you need funding, but that is so insane for a project that has not yet been proven working. If anything you should solder it before you send it to people. What is the schematic for it? Is it privite?
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^ Yes, I understand it uses 4 Props, that is kind of my point.· I am considering a platform more suitable for the task...· So far I'm leaning towards a $30 ARM stamp, should have all the memory and processing required.· There are a couple of open source speech recognition libraries available.
I may be a doubter, but my take is this whole KISS thing is a scam.
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On an related note, I am really surprised that a true Text-To-Speech object hasn't been created for the Prop, especially as the VocalTract was an early demo...· Why has this not come to fruition?· I would think speech would be nearly as popular as video capabilty, if not moreso.
Well, I think one of two things will happen. MIT will have to reduce the prices drastically, if they are looking for customers here, or they will simply go out of business, because of, lack of interest. I think that MIT will disappear from this forum because of lack of interest here. Of course, there has been a lot of discussion, but no actual facts being produced by the skeptics. The beauty of being a skeptic is, you do not have to present any facts, all you have to say is: "I do not believe that it will work". Of course, all of the skeptics have self-proclaimed credentials, otherwise they would be dealing in actual facts of the matter.
Robotics, in general, for home use, has been a very hard sell, it has been around for a very very long time, with no real activity. I do not consider playing around with a small device the size of a BOEBOT to be real robotics experience, I am not slamming the product, it's just way to small with limited functionality to be of any real use. Yes, I do have one, so I know from experience.
So, now I have a challenge for the critics. Since the word greed keeps coming up, come up with a memory board, similar to what MIT is offering, all soldered up, and ready to go, with 2MB of xRAM, for lets start with $29.95. That sounds like a fair price (non-greedy), and of course the drivers will be included in the price with a manual that covers every aspect of the board. Let the silence begin, or maybe excuses.
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From The website: "We will be sending you an early edition of the KISS OS for free. Thank you for your continuing support, and have fun with KISS OS! We will be distributing it on Friday, August 14th, so keep an eye on your email inbox."
"As the KISS OS needs the expanded memory to run, only those who have purchased our SRAM Memory Expansion board will be sent the operating system."
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It runs on SRAM!
Now ain't that great!
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Is voice recognition part of the first release?
-Phil
KISS OS is an operating system for the Parallax Propeller microcontroller with the condition that there is enough space to run it. The SRAM Expansion board we created is therefore needed to run the OS. It has many of the features of an OS you would expect. It does file manipulation and resource management as you would expect.
What most of you want to hear is the abstract addressing. The KISS OS was built specifically to manage and run the cognitive software Dr. Gouge has created. Therefore, it has a lot of memory manipulation built in, to transfer from 32k Prop Hub RAM to ERAM (the board we created) to VRAM (a slow serial permanent storage - thumb drive) back and forth, etc. It must manage these memory types in order for the cognitive software to work.
The version we are putting out on Friday will be keyboard accessable. We have not yet implemented the voice recognition. Dr. Gouge is still working on that, but making good progress. His voice recognition uses his cognitive software, so when that comes out, a part of the cognition will already be there. He will add to that for various input devices.
One clever trick Dr. Gouge implements is that any data that can become 1s and 0s can be manipulated by his cognitive software. Sound, images, motion sensors, odor sensor, you name it. As long as it can be translated into binary, the software can handle it.
You will also be able to create your own routines and use them.
I know you are looking for more detailed information than that. This is the best I can do without interviewing Dr. Gouge and getting direct input from him.
Thanks,
Mark Allred
Machine Intelligence Technologies
I bet you can read that in the KISS-OS description that comes along with the free OS.
And I think they'll put the manual for it on-line as soon as they ship.
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There was a review of it in Servo, or one of those magazines. I might have glanced at it recently, so check your newsstands. The review, while only one page, covered it quite well, and listed the commands. The same reviewer reviewed ViewPort on the next page. Maybe they should put the review on their website. As if any of the critics here would actually read it.
It's there now in a PDF format.
Sorry, where?
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@mallred: One clever trick Dr. Gouge implements is that any data that can become 1s and 0s can be manipulated by his cognitive software. Sound, images, motion sensors, odor sensor, you name it. As long as it can be translated into binary, the software can handle it.
That's not a "clever trick," that's a feature claim.· And it is a very dramatic feature claim.· I once talked semi-frequently with a guy who burned USD$80,000,000 in venture capital trying to make good on that exact same claim.· And he was not a charlatan; now that the 80 mil is gone he is not a rich man, he continues to work on his system, and has enthusiastic volunteers who help him with it even though he can't pay them any more.
A "clever trick" would be something like "he uses a two tiered virtual memory system to overcome the Propeller's RAM limitations, and manages to make it work by at [noparse][[/noparse]surprising scale] because [noparse][[/noparse]trick I haven't thought of]."· (I am working on a virtual memory system myself, and just ordered a Morpheus in case my even crazier idea doesn't pan out.· But there are some expensive data structures you either need or have to explain why you don't need, and "it's a clever trick" is not an explanation.)
I get the sense -- the really strong sense -- that the sale of these overpriced accessories is funding Dr. Gouge's "research" (where "research" might range from "brilliant, enthusiastic, and genuine but underfunded" to "Dr. Gouge needs beer"), and there are lots of people who have gone before who were much better funded than you can ever expect to be selling Propeller accessories and shares in your vaporware AI, all of whom have disappointed their believers.· Every single time.
And often, the problem is that they expected their wares, which were surprisingly good at learning to detect patterns, to develop initiative which seems to be what is ultimately being promised here, that the box will learn natural language on its own and ultimately ask you sensible questions.· The person who figures out how to do that will not be wasting his time here.· He won't be using 360 nM process processors that run at 80 MHz even if they do have eight cores per chip, because things with far more power at far higher scale including the parallelism have failed so far.·
With my complete lack of formal technical training/electronics I thought I was missing something.
Heck, I've felt that way the entire way through the video series...
I feel better now.. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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Be nice if some clever person came up with this... I've been banging my head on the desk
for the last month working on primitive voice recognition for the Prop.
So far, my teenagers listen better... (Not a good sign for this project)
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Mark, can you please explain what's so clever about what EVERY digital computer has been doing for decades?
No, Mark - what most of us want to hear is why you think this makes KISS OS different to what many others have already done with the Propeller - and have done faster, in less space, without requiring overpriced custom hardware - and have released for free.
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@mallred: Just how much ARE your RAM boards? is the Prop included?
As a could-be buyer wy would I want to buy your product? What does it acomplish?
P.S. Is Dr. Gouge the same as Dr. Jim? What kind of "Dr." is he?
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Hello Mark ! Go kindly offencive by telling us the features, commands and the advantages of the KISS OS that makes it worth spending $150 to buy the RAM extensionboard
I made a little research
search "gouge" on http://www.botmag.com/
no matches
how about little pictures of Dr. Jim and Dr. Gouge ?
if he was responsible for the telemetry systems at the NASA for the moonlanding he must have been minimum 30 years around 1969 so today he's around 70 years old.
why can I NOT find any traces of him by google ?
the email-adress of him is jim@machineinteltech.com
Is he the same person as Dr. Jim ? ?!??
the picture that should demonstrate that the servo-pulse-software has no jitter is some kind of "jittery" itself
This picture might be even "photoshopped"
The user of this oscilloscope seems to be a totally electronically newbee as the green trace seems to be on maximun DISfocused !
No information about the timebase if it is 100 milliseconds per unit you can't see any jitter at all
The oscilloscope seems to be 20 years old.
To me a lot of things that makes me think is it a serious company ?
More and more I got the impression that Mark just tries to pimp up his overprised things he wants to sell
So once more I call "show us working results !"
Can you wipe away my doubts by answering on these questions in a clear way ?
regards
Stefan
Post Edited (StefanL38) : 8/12/2009 2:09:04 AM GMT
As speaking for the people that can afford it you will have to give them some kind of substance that can interest them. Answer the following questions that buyers will want to know if they are going to spend there $150 on the extended RAM card:
1. What does it do besides use the extended memory?
2. What can you accomplish in using this card and OS?
3. What extra hardware will I need to use this OS?
4. How does it work? Is there a video demonstration?
5. When will speach recognition be implimented? Will it also be sold seperate as a Propeller object?
6. What skills will be needed to operate this system? Is it more geared for the seasoned programmer, the intermediate programmer, the beginner programmer, someone with only simple computer skills, or someone who is not hardly technology literate?
7. What will I gain by this software and hardware and what can they do to help me?
8. Why is it worth the money?
If you can answer these 8 simple questons then you will interest buyers into buying your product.
P.S. This took forever to type up on my Palm Pilot!
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I think it is amusing that you ask localroger and I not to comment on this thread any more (actually, I'm happy to oblige - so this will be my last post in this thread, or in fact any other started by Mark and Dr Jim/Gouge) and then you post the above - which contains pretty much the same questions that we (and others) originally started out asking in the various previous threads
We never got any sensible answers - I wish you better luck!
Rossh.
Edit: smileys added - just so you know I'm not at all offended by the request to stay out of the thread!
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Catalina - a FREE C compiler for the Propeller - see Catalina
Post Edited (RossH) : 8/12/2009 2:12:04 AM GMT
1. What does it do besides use the extended memory? - manage files and resources, and many resources built in for machine intelligence to work. without the os, Dr. Jim's version of machine intelligence would not be possible.
2. What can you accomplish in using this card and OS? - it's all about the killer app, machine intelligence - talk to your computer and have it talk back to you and truly learn
3. What extra hardware will I need to use this OS? - the datalogger, a modified Prop Proto USB board, if you follow the project, you will need a minimum of 4 Prop Proto USB boards and at least 2 ERAM boards
4. How does it work? Is there a video demonstration? - have been building it. About to be released in Beta. Will have command set available fairly soon.
5. When will speach recognition be implimented? Will it also be sold seperate as a Propeller object? - soon. cannot be sold separately. uses machine intelligence to work, so must have whole package for this piece
6. What skills will be needed to operate this system? Is it more geared for the seasoned programmer, the intermediate programmer, the beginner programmer, someone with only simple computer skills, or someone who is not hardly technology literate? - we hope to develop enough product and documentation to allow even the novice to build this android along with us, but that takes time. Therefore, my recommendation at this point would be intermediate to seasoned.
7. What will I gain by this software and hardware and what can they do to help me? - can teach your robot to talk and understand you. can hold conversations with it, rough at first, then more elaborate. can build a robot around it and pass in data streams from any sensory device, it will learn by vision, hearing, touch, or any sense you choose to add to it.
8. Why is it worth the money? - to be able to do things with your robot that have never been done before and be one of the first to do it. You will be on the bleeding edge of the opening of a new industry of the cognitive android.
Hope this helps.
Mark
Good points. We are giving a first solid go at a robot with initiative, that is true. We are trying hard to build this. A worthwhile task when so many others have failed? Perhaps Dr. Gouge has thought of it in a way no one else has, therefore not requiring as much power as in the past to accomplish even greater things? He thinks out of the box farther than most. It would be nice if he actually accomplished it. When he does, I will be there to see it.
Mark
Can't you also use the regular (no USB) protoboards? The only reason why you would need the USB version is to program it, and that you can do easily enough with a prop-plug.
Speech recognition for the Propeller is highly desireable so even if you cannot get it to learn just selling that would bring you in a profit. Good Luck.
P.S. Can we have an interview with Dr. Gouge / Dr. Jim?
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http://www.machineinteltech.com/Memory_Expansion.html
and these board are not even soldered!
will someone ever buy that?
My take is that not all of this has to be done in any single chip - I am using a WTS701 platform chip module (http://www.robot-electronics.co.uk/htm/Sp03doc.shtm). This is not unlike using a vision, distance or other modular where needed.· I see there are some references on the net·to a VR Stamp module, but sadly it seems they are either no longer made or otherwise available.
From my limited research, I'd say that speech recognition requires a decent amount of ram and processing power.· No doubt that is one of the reasons the apparent KISS OS has such high requirements, and likley well beyond the abilties of a single Propeller.· With that in mind, I think I will pursue an ARM based project or perhaps a dsPIC that already includes a VR library...·
@mallred: $900 bucks?!?! Look, I know that you need funding, but that is so insane for a project that has not yet been proven working. If anything you should solder it before you send it to people. What is the schematic for it? Is it privite?
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Post Edited (microcontrolled) : 8/12/2009 1:21:33 PM GMT
I may be a doubter, but my take is this whole KISS thing is a scam.
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On an related note, I am really surprised that a true Text-To-Speech object hasn't been created for the Prop, especially as the VocalTract was an early demo...· Why has this not come to fruition?· I would think speech would be nearly as popular as video capabilty, if not moreso.
Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/12/2009 1:52:38 PM GMT
Robotics, in general, for home use, has been a very hard sell, it has been around for a very very long time, with no real activity. I do not consider playing around with a small device the size of a BOEBOT to be real robotics experience, I am not slamming the product, it's just way to small with limited functionality to be of any real use. Yes, I do have one, so I know from experience.
So, now I have a challenge for the critics. Since the word greed keeps coming up, come up with a memory board, similar to what MIT is offering, all soldered up, and ready to go, with 2MB of xRAM, for lets start with $29.95. That sounds like a fair price (non-greedy), and of course the drivers will be included in the price with a manual that covers every aspect of the board. Let the silence begin, or maybe excuses.
Ray