microcontrolled said...
don't say that "technechal" is spelled wrong, I've had enough of that today
Well, at least you knew it might be, and you were consistent. But consistency was your downfall, I'm afraid. If you're unsure about a word's spelling but don't have time to look it up, use it twice and spell it differently in each instance. That way, people will assume that the wrong one (assuming one is right) is just a typo.
Seriously, though, spelling and grammar corrections are only made to help. They're no different from pointing out programming errors and should be taken in the same spirit. Think of it as "English debugging".
re mallred Oh, and by the way, I do believe in professionalism where it matters. You, the chattering class, don't matter.
I am intrigued by this sales technique of taunting potential customers. Here are some more useful insults and taunts, courtesy of Messers Cleese et. al. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa0cz2V_VqU
PropellerHeads:
It's not much of a machine intelligence shop, is it?
Mallred:
Finest in the district, sir.
PropellerHeads:
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please.
Mallred:
Well, it's so clean, sir.
PropellerHeads:
It's certainly uncontaminated by machine intelligence.
Ahrrr, now I'm doing it....
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For me, the past is not over yet.
Well, clearly my other post was not in any way effective. [noparse]:([/noparse]
FAIL
Edit: Malred, I meant that post in the very best of ways. The Propeller is great technology, backed by a solid company, who values all of us highly --and is not afraid to show it. Nobody wants a Propeller failure. This community deserves better from you.
Well, at least you knew it might be, and you were consistent. But consistency was your downfall, I'm afraid. If you're unsure about a word's spelling but don't have time to look it up, use it twice and spell it differently in each instance. That way, people will assume that the wrong one (assuming one is right) is just a typo.
I was doing exactly the same. Then I came to a point that using ten times the same word in the same sentece makes the sentence not understandable (maybe I have invented encryption) so I removed the patent from this technique and made it opensourced in the hope that some one will remove the bugs.
BTW I know more english words than you imagine, the problem is I don't know how to write more than half of them: so fill free to correct also my errors.
PS "free" means "gratis" (free of charge) in this case
I always check one's country of origin first, when that info is available in the profile. If it appears that English isn't one's first language, I take off my grammar cop badge and hide it in the drawer. * (I mean, heaven knows how atrocious my Spanish would be if I tried to use it here.) Any effort to communicate in a non-native tongue is always appreciated, and we will all try our best to decipher the most broken English. (Yours is quite good, BTW.)
But, since you asked, it's "feel free", not "fill free".
-Phil
* I don't really enjoy flashing ithe badge (not that I'm an expert anyway), since I've learned the hard way that it's often not appreciated. But repeat offenders who should know better do require attention, and behavior modification is most effective when applied at an early age! I fear that texting is ruining basic literacy, though. What was that old matchbook cover ad? "If u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb w mo pa." It's almost come to that in normal discourse.
I've never understood why so many programmers are so sloppy with their spelling and grammar not to mention semantics when speaking or writing. Often they will strongly argue why they should be free to be so and then anyone suggesting corrections becomes a "grammar Nazzi" or "spelling cop". This is odd amongst a group that lives by the correctness of it's spelling, syntax and semantics when dealing with computer programming languages.
For them it is acceptable that a compiler complains about an undefined variable or misplaced comma but not for a fellow human. "What's it matter?", they will say, "y'know what I mean".
Why is that ?
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For me, the past is not over yet.
I always check one's country of origin first, when that info is available in the profile. If it appears that English isn't one's first language, I take off my grammar cop badge and hide it in the drawer. * (I mean, heaven knows how atrocious my Spanish would be if I tried to use it here.) Any effort to communicate in a non-native tongue is always appreciated, and we will all try our best to decipher the most broken English. (Yours is quite good, BTW.)
But, since you asked, it's "feel free", not "fill free".
-Phil
* I don't really enjoy flashing ithe badge (not that I'm an expert anyway), since I've learned the hard way that it's often not appreciated. But repeat offenders who should know better do require attention, and behavior modification is most effective when applied at an early age! I fear that texting is ruining basic literacy, though. What was that old matchbook cover ad? "If u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb w mo pa." It's almost come to that in normal discourse.
If you can read this, you can get a good job with ... and then what ??
PEDIT: Is somewhere a good, coincise glossary of all·(the most common) terms (shortcuts) like: OP, IMHO, IMO·... It's boring to google everytime ········· BTW Keep correcting me, please: I wan't to improve my english and at the same time I'll have the feedback that one of the forum gurus is reading my posts
For them it is acceptable that a compiler complains about an undefined variable or misplaced comma but not for a fellow human. "What's it matter?", they will say, "y'know what I mean".
Why is that ?
Along with people who are terminally late, I've always interpreted it as "I'm more important than you, therefore my time is more valuable". A variant of "I'm in too much of a rush to take the time to be correct, so instead I'll impose on your time to interpret what I'm saying". It's just plain bad manners. We all make mistakes (I do it quite regularly) but in the day of spell checkers, on-line dictionaries (and my faithful hardback Collins) there is absolutely no excuse for bad spelling, particularly when you've done it, you know you've done it, you comment on the fact you've done it and yet you leave it in error.
It smacks of a complete lack of attention to detail. One that is sure to trip you up on your first job interview. It's also a very poor reflection on todays education systems, but that is a whole other rant [noparse]:)[/noparse]
It's a pet peeve of mine, along with not using proper punctuation, capitalisation and spelling in SMS messages. Can you tell?
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
> Not true. I or any listener is a parser and can be a debugger if we choose.
Yes, but then one does have to make the errors public before they can be parsed and debugged by others. And then it is too late.
Parsing / debugging should happen before the processors (= readers) see them.
But I'm not an English tongue, so I can make as many errors as I want. All just for your amusement!
Nick
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Nick, now I've got it. There are two major types of design/implementation in computer programming. Those that are compiled, e.g. C, and those that are interpreted, e.g. BASIC.
Compiled languages try to catch as many syntactic, semantic errors as possible before the target has to run the program.
Purely interpreted languages leave it all up to run time on the target.
The former is like the behavior of someone who mulls over what they want to say or write before they actually do it.
The later is like someone who expects the lister/reader to sort out the mess they receive. Except in this case the originator does not want feedback about mistakes.
This issue, runs deep. Many programmers hate bug reports, and many don't want to listen to "stupid users" who insist a program is behaving the wrong way or could be better.
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For me, the past is not over yet.
Most of the people here claim being a "technechal group" but it seems that this discussion is going nowhere technechal. (don't say that "technechal" is spelled wrong, I've had enough of that today)
@Microcontrolled: Grab a copy of Mozilla Firefox from here. and use
it instead of Internet Explorer or whatever you are using now. It has a built-in spell check that will
underline the words that it thinks are spelled wrong. When you right-click on them, it will make suggestions
on correct spellings. (Of course picking the wrong word could change your meaning, but then your
messages will be even more fun to read. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
@All: Wait until we find out that the joke is really on all of us and it is revealed that "mallred" is actually
an alpha version of machine intelligence that has been hooked to these forums. [noparse]:)[/noparse] <SMIRK>
Seriously, I hope they can even pull of a third of what they are attempting. It'll mean good things
for the Propeller. (It's already been good exposure of us in the Robot rag.)
Does that mean, you had the money out of your wallet, and were ready to make a purchase? But, you saw: "You, the chattering class, don't matter. But thanks for the publicity.", and put your money back into your wallet. I take no offense at "chattering class", because most of the time that is all that I read in this thread, and I also contribute to the chatter.
Well, at least you knew it might be, and you were consistent. But consistency was your downfall, I'm afraid. If you're unsure about a word's spelling but don't have time to look it up, use it twice and spell it differently in each instance. That way, people will assume that the wrong one (assuming one is right) is just a typo.
I was doing exactly the same. Then I came to a point that using ten times the same word in the same sentece makes the sentence not understandable (maybe I have invented encryption) so I removed the patent from this technique and made it opensourced in the hope that some one will remove the bugs.
BTW I know more english words than you imagine, the problem is I don't know how to write more than half of them: so fill free to correct also my errors.
PS "free" means "gratis" (free of charge) in this case
I'm not the only one who makes typos!
Switching to FireFox
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If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
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Chrome is a nice looking but bugy browser by google.
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Sure it will not break your computer or wallet but for me it crashes on youtube all the time and tabs randomly become new windows.
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microcontrolled said...
Chrome? Never heard of it....
The spelling police have been on a besieging rampage today, so watch your spelling, or you will be the next one to go.
@Microcontrolled
Nah, don't take it that way... Just step up and work on it.. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
In my younger days I used to run a BBS (that's before Internet, kids) and everything was text.
If you made a spelling mistake it was pointed out to you by EVERYONE. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
In the end it made me a much better speller.. On my off days, I use Firefox. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
@mallred: How about a video demo of your KISS OS? I for one would like to see it.
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Seriously, though, spelling and grammar corrections are only made to help. They're no different from pointing out programming errors and should be taken in the same spirit. Think of it as "English debugging".
-Phil
I am intrigued by this sales technique of taunting potential customers. Here are some more useful insults and taunts, courtesy of Messers Cleese et. al. www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qa0cz2V_VqU
PropellerHeads:
It's not much of a machine intelligence shop, is it?
Mallred:
Finest in the district, sir.
PropellerHeads:
Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please.
Mallred:
Well, it's so clean, sir.
PropellerHeads:
It's certainly uncontaminated by machine intelligence.
Ahrrr, now I'm doing it....
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Post Edited (heater) : 8/19/2009 4:06:24 AM GMT
Wow! So will it detect from where the sound is coming from!?
Nick
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Uranus!
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Well, clearly my other post was not in any way effective. [noparse]:([/noparse]
FAIL
Edit: Malred, I meant that post in the very best of ways. The Propeller is great technology, backed by a solid company, who values all of us highly --and is not afraid to show it. Nobody wants a Propeller failure. This community deserves better from you.
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Post Edited (potatohead) : 8/19/2009 6:10:26 AM GMT
BTW I know more english words than you imagine, the problem is I don't know how to write more than half of them: so fill free to correct also my errors.
PS "free" means "gratis" (free of charge) in this case
I'll fill me up with beer tonight, I feel.
But this won't be a free fill, I fear.
Nick
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Post Edited (Nick Mueller) : 8/19/2009 7:04:24 AM GMT
I always check one's country of origin first, when that info is available in the profile. If it appears that English isn't one's first language, I take off my grammar cop badge and hide it in the drawer. * (I mean, heaven knows how atrocious my Spanish would be if I tried to use it here.) Any effort to communicate in a non-native tongue is always appreciated, and we will all try our best to decipher the most broken English. (Yours is quite good, BTW.)
But, since you asked, it's "feel free", not "fill free".
-Phil
* I don't really enjoy flashing ithe badge (not that I'm an expert anyway), since I've learned the hard way that it's often not appreciated. But repeat offenders who should know better do require attention, and behavior modification is most effective when applied at an early age! I fear that texting is ruining basic literacy, though. What was that old matchbook cover ad? "If u cn rd ths, u cn gt a gd jb w mo pa." It's almost come to that in normal discourse.
For them it is acceptable that a compiler complains about an undefined variable or misplaced comma but not for a fellow human. "What's it matter?", they will say, "y'know what I mean".
Why is that ?
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No parser, no debugger!
Nick
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YADRO
PEDIT: Is somewhere a good, coincise glossary of all·(the most common) terms (shortcuts) like: OP, IMHO, IMO·... It's boring to google everytime
········· BTW Keep correcting me, please: I wan't to improve my english and at the same time I'll have the feedback that one of the forum gurus is reading my posts
Post Edited (dMajo) : 8/19/2009 8:06:55 AM GMT
Along with people who are terminally late, I've always interpreted it as "I'm more important than you, therefore my time is more valuable". A variant of "I'm in too much of a rush to take the time to be correct, so instead I'll impose on your time to interpret what I'm saying". It's just plain bad manners. We all make mistakes (I do it quite regularly) but in the day of spell checkers, on-line dictionaries (and my faithful hardback Collins) there is absolutely no excuse for bad spelling, particularly when you've done it, you know you've done it, you comment on the fact you've done it and yet you leave it in error.
It smacks of a complete lack of attention to detail. One that is sure to trip you up on your first job interview. It's also a very poor reflection on todays education systems, but that is a whole other rant [noparse]:)[/noparse]
It's a pet peeve of mine, along with not using proper punctuation, capitalisation and spelling in SMS messages. Can you tell?
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lt's not particularly silly, is it?
Not true. I or any listener is a parser and can be a debugger if we choose. As I said, often suggesting corrections provokes a bad reaction.
Not to mention that most have been to school. Schools are full of parser/debuggers, or should be, they are called teachers.
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Yes, but then one does have to make the errors public before they can be parsed and debugged by others. And then it is too late.
Parsing / debugging should happen before the processors (= readers) see them.
But I'm not an English tongue, so I can make as many errors as I want.
Nick
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YADRO
Compiled languages try to catch as many syntactic, semantic errors as possible before the target has to run the program.
Purely interpreted languages leave it all up to run time on the target.
The former is like the behavior of someone who mulls over what they want to say or write before they actually do it.
The later is like someone who expects the lister/reader to sort out the mess they receive. Except in this case the originator does not want feedback about mistakes.
This issue, runs deep. Many programmers hate bug reports, and many don't want to listen to "stupid users" who insist a program is behaving the wrong way or could be better.
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For me, the past is not over yet.
@Microcontrolled: Grab a copy of Mozilla Firefox from here. and use
it instead of Internet Explorer or whatever you are using now. It has a built-in spell check that will
underline the words that it thinks are spelled wrong. When you right-click on them, it will make suggestions
on correct spellings. (Of course picking the wrong word could change your meaning, but then your
messages will be even more fun to read. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
@All: Wait until we find out that the joke is really on all of us and it is revealed that "mallred" is actually
an alpha version of machine intelligence that has been hooked to these forums. [noparse]:)[/noparse] <SMIRK>
Seriously, I hope they can even pull of a third of what they are attempting. It'll mean good things
for the Propeller. (It's already been good exposure of us in the Robot rag.)
OBC
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Argggh!, I restrained my self from saying that days ago. Is it possible it's just passed the Turing test?
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That one line indicates to me a shift in attitude from the start of this thread.
You are beginning to gain my respect.
OOPS! Down two notches.
Switching to FireFox
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Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
I like Chrome...
The spelling police have been on a besieging rampage today, so watch your spelling, or you will be the next one to go.
@mallred: So if the RUN command is fixed, what can the OS do now that it can run programs?
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
@Microcontrolled
Nah, don't take it that way... Just step up and work on it.. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
In my younger days I used to run a BBS (that's before Internet, kids) and everything was text.
If you made a spelling mistake it was pointed out to you by EVERYONE. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
In the end it made me a much better speller.. On my off days, I use Firefox. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
@mallred: How about a video demo of your KISS OS? I for one would like to see it.
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)