mallred said...
Guys, machine intelligence is wide open. I invite any of you to invent your own version of machine intelligence and compete directly with us.
Given that you haven't actually demonstrated anything, this is not much of a challenge.· I hereby proclaim that I have created the first working Propeller AI operating system, SentientSativa.··Independant analysis proves that it has twice the cognition of KISS at half the price.
mallred said...
As far as I know, we are the only ones claiming anything of substance that is workable
No longer - see above.· Really though, claims mean nothing without repeatible results.· As a scientist, Dr. Jim ought to know that.· You are squarely in cold fusion category.
mallred said...
Even then I know we will be recieved skeptically
I am glad you are preparing yourselves for the inevitable.· I agree with your postulation - I wager that what most people will view as "doesn't work" will be countered as "errors and mistakes are necessary for the AI learning process".
mallred said...
Mabe we roll things out too early. That's probably true. So what. That only gives our followers a heads up and the ability to work with our products early. What's the harm in that, (other than you did not create it)?
Provided you don't mind looking like fools, nothing.· But a real, informative blog or similar publication with examples and results might be a better method to provide your "followers" with your progress (speaking of which, that sounds a little cultish).
mallred said...
By the way, it took a whole day to get the RUN command working. It's working now. Geez Dr. Jim is fast.
That begs the question, why did you even bother to release it the way you did?·You couldn't wait 24 hours to provide your first rollout with the ability to run code?· It's not like it does much else.
mallred said...
Polish can come later. Same for professionalism.
I suggest a new company slogon based on mallred's comments here:· "Unfinished, Unpolished and Unprofessional"
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You know, it's really too bad.· This could be an exciting field, but they certainly are not giving it the level of seriousness a project of this nature deserves.· They are doing themselves a great disservice.
Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/18/2009 12:41:03 PM GMT
I was wondering how long the modified image of the MI site will survive on your post. Now I am pulling my hairs because I have not saved it quickly enuogh. Perhaps one day I would have been able to sell it for big money ?
microcontrolled said...
Really, they seriously need to professionalize if they want to keep up there buissness.
Yes, and for your own future reference, a minimum requirement for maintaining a professional image is good spelling and grammar: viz. "there buissness" vs. "their business". Master it while you're young. It doesn't get easier with age.
I went to correct it after I posted (I mean like, 2 seconds after I posted). I was hoping no one saw that. Changed my text in all anyway, so it dosen't matter.
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But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
There's a line between criticism and ridicule. Certain posts here have crossed that line, but none so far as co-opting MIT's own logo for the purpose of mockery. Seriously, guys, it's okay to criticize or even take someone to task, but good manners must prevail in the end.
I didn't create it or even post it -- I just set it on the post instead of providing a link like Agent420 did on the post before. By what I said after it I thought that you would know that I disapproved of it. I am not entirely confident in them, but I don't want to ruin them.
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Robots are microcontrolled. I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
@microcontrolled: Whatever the reason/mechanism, you can correct it by editing the post. I suspect displaying it here is illegal, since the 'open mind' image appears to be a commercial logo. You wouldn't want Chip to get in trouble now ...
^ Sure, blame the messenger ;-)· I thought it was a bit extreme which is why I removed it from my post after initially inserting it.· Fwiw, I've removed the link as well.
Re criticism v ridicule...· you've got to admit they've pretty much put on a bullseye shirt the way they have handled this here.·
Micro, trust me on this observation: a hungry lawyer can extract tremendous amounts of money from innocent people/companies that have anything deeper than shallow pockets. You spelled "Yea" wrong, "liable" is OK...
Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
There's a line between criticism and ridicule. Certain posts here have crossed that line, but none so far as co-opting MIT's own logo for the purpose of mockery. Seriously, guys, it's okay to criticize or even take someone to task, but good manners must prevail in the end.
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-Phil
I really do hope they succeed! I've wanted my own sentient robot since I was like 4...used to glue the old used soup cans and plastic containers together to make a "robot", then "all I need is a computer, and some motors!". I was sooo close! Anyway, if they do succeed, I will be among the first (after proof to purchase some of their hardware as a supporting gesture.
Speaking of the logo, to me even picking a company name where the initials used are M.I.T. is a little on the shady side. "I do AI research at MIT!"....uh huh.
Jonathan
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lonesock
Piranha are people too.
The learning powers of the system sounds just what my empty beer can powered lawn mower's navigation system requires. It can do STOP, WAIT and LEAVE ME ALONE I'M THINKING but RUN hasn't been fully implimented yet.
( had to be got in before the final moritorium, sorry )
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Style and grace : Nil point
It is fun to post on here. You guys crack me up. Anyway, our image was purchased, so rest assured, we did actually spend a few dollars on it. And since we did, it is ours. Thanks for the courtesy of taking it down, because we do own it (or rather, have the right to use it). It's pretty cool, huh? Have to admit. Not a bad pic.
Anyway, the run command is working. I think some of you missed that.
Oh, and by the way, I do believe in professionalism where it matters. You, the chattering class, don't matter. But thanks for the publicity. You guys have been responsible for more than one or two sales I believe. So thanks [noparse]:)[/noparse]
All kidding aside, we are serious about machine intelligence. <snicker>Dr. Jim is hard at work trying to duct tape a microphone to the propeller, so don't worry about that. It will be able to hear you.</snicker> No, but he is working on a pair of ears for voice recognition. I think he is even going as far as building some circuitry for it.
One thing he is not is a quitter. We keep on a chuggin'...
Will it be like a Demo Board mic arrangement? It will have to have something to listen to sound waves.
Most of the people here claim being a "technechal group" but it seems that this discussion is going nowhere technechal. (don't say that "technechal" is spelled wrong, I've had enough of that today)
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Robots are microcontrolled. I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
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Links to other interesting threads:
· Home of the MultiBladeProps: TriBladeProp, RamBlade, TwinBlade,·SixBlade, website
· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: Micros eg Altair, and Terminals eg VT100 (Index) ZiCog (Z80), MoCog (6809)
· Search the Propeller forums (via Google)
My cruising website is: ·www.bluemagic.biz·· MultiBladeProp is: www.bluemagic.biz/cluso.htm
Knew It Sounded Stupid or is it Knew it Sucked Silly oh gosh so confused.
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Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse
And we haven't even touched on perpetual motion and free energy yet ah but the day is still young .
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Links to other interesting threads:
· Home of the MultiBladeProps: TriBladeProp, RamBlade, TwinBlade,·SixBlade, website
· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: Micros eg Altair, and Terminals eg VT100 (Index) ZiCog (Z80), MoCog (6809)
· Search the Propeller forums (via Google)
My cruising website is: ·www.bluemagic.biz·· MultiBladeProp is: www.bluemagic.biz/cluso.htm
I look forward to KISS and it's AI taking on Cessnapilot's Texas Hold'em on the Prop when they are ready. May the best man/machine win.
Oh yeah, that's a challenge by the way. Are we allowed to run a book on these forums?
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For me, the past is not over yet.
No longer - see above.· Really though, claims mean nothing without repeatible results.· As a scientist, Dr. Jim ought to know that.· You are squarely in cold fusion category.
I am glad you are preparing yourselves for the inevitable.· I agree with your postulation - I wager that what most people will view as "doesn't work" will be countered as "errors and mistakes are necessary for the AI learning process".
Provided you don't mind looking like fools, nothing.· But a real, informative blog or similar publication with examples and results might be a better method to provide your "followers" with your progress (speaking of which, that sounds a little cultish).
That begs the question, why did you even bother to release it the way you did?·You couldn't wait 24 hours to provide your first rollout with the ability to run code?· It's not like it does much else.
That speaks volumes.
Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/18/2009 1:32:28 PM GMT
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
I missed that it was already done.
The user manual is a bit hard to fathom as it is yet to be polished and done professionally.
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Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse
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You know, it's really too bad.· This could be an exciting field, but they certainly are not giving it the level of seriousness a project of this nature deserves.· They are doing themselves a great disservice.
Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/18/2009 12:41:03 PM GMT
"I used to be open-minded, but my brain kept falling out"
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Never use force, just go for a bigger hammer!
The DIY Digital-Readout for mills, lathes etc.:
YADRO
I was wondering how long the modified image of the MI site will survive on your post. Now I am pulling my hairs because I have not saved it quickly enuogh. Perhaps one day I would have been able to sell it for big money ?
I do wonder if they legally licensed that artwork...
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Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/18/2009 6:46:36 PM GMT
People are getting mean now.
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
Post Edited (microcontrolled) : 8/18/2009 6:49:30 PM GMT
-Phil
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
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Sentient Sativa - The AI operating system with twice the cognition of KISS at half the price.
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--Steve
Propalyzer: Propeller PC Logic Analyzer
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=788230
What will happen when they demonstrate all the prowess of their.. well thingy ? noooo.
I think we should give them a copy of Duke Nukem Forever to play during the slow hours. Don't you think ?
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Visit some of my articles at Propeller Wiki:
MATH on the propeller propeller.wikispaces.com/MATH
pPropQL: propeller.wikispaces.com/pPropQL
pPropQL020: propeller.wikispaces.com/pPropQL020
OMU for the pPropQL/020 propeller.wikispaces.com/OMU
The logo needs to come down.
-Phil
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
Cheers!
Paul Rowntree
Re criticism v ridicule...· you've got to admit they've pretty much put on a bullseye shirt the way they have handled this here.·
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
Speaking of the logo, to me even picking a company name where the initials used are M.I.T. is a little on the shady side. "I do AI research at MIT!"....uh huh.
Jonathan
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lonesock
Piranha are people too.
( had to be got in before the final moritorium, sorry )
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Style and grace : Nil point
Anyway, the run command is working. I think some of you missed that.
Oh, and by the way, I do believe in professionalism where it matters. You, the chattering class, don't matter. But thanks for the publicity. You guys have been responsible for more than one or two sales I believe. So thanks [noparse]:)[/noparse]
All kidding aside, we are serious about machine intelligence. <snicker>Dr. Jim is hard at work trying to duct tape a microphone to the propeller, so don't worry about that. It will be able to hear you.</snicker> No, but he is working on a pair of ears for voice recognition. I think he is even going as far as building some circuitry for it.
One thing he is not is a quitter. We keep on a chuggin'...
Post Edited (mallred) : 8/19/2009 12:08:11 AM GMT
Most of the people here claim being a "technechal group" but it seems that this discussion is going nowhere technechal. (don't say that "technechal" is spelled wrong, I've had enough of that today)
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)