-·don't you·feel like·we're on the Starship Enterprise, with the alarm sounding?
No?
It seems·like we've been invaded by Malred the A.I' Bot - or maybe he's not a bot, but·the real (but not Dr.)·McCoy.
I, for one, feel like we·all are being used here.
Why?
Again, I have to say,·it would be astounding if Mr.Malred, et. al. have a business plan. And it would be more astounding if that plan were able to convince·investors. (Sure, some inexperienced or technically naive investor, but virtually no venture capital firm would touch this - in *any* economy. ·Then again, see the prime example of possible bamboozlement in the A.I. area via the link Localroger posted in this thread ca pg 5-7.)
Why can I say that with confidence?
Simple deduction.· If you (the investor) don't understand something, then·you ask for advice from those who do understand that something. Further, if it were a significant investment, you would ask for multiple opinions. If the opinions made enough sense and the plan looked feasible, then you would enter into trade-off and risk calculations. If you can manage the risk, you go for it.··In my *opinion*, Mr.Malred, et.al.·are not getting the wanted -and required - opinions that will support their aims, allowing it to move forward.·
Consider this big red flag: WE collectively HAVE that knowledge to judge this (ad)venture correctly. These threads stand as a testiment.
((Also, as an aside, it·has been mentioned: if this were such a big ticket item, why is Mr. Malred spending a large amount of time here?· To be nice to us, to be nice to Prop users?· To Promote the Prop? If they really wanted to help us and promote the prop, why don't they just put together a few well produced webinars that explain how to do all their cool stuff.·They *should have* the money to do this. And the money to free up Mr. Malred from posting here.·If nothing else, Mr. Malred's management skills are questionable - he should hire subordinates to post and market... he should spend his more valuable time concentrating on the business working.· But I suspect it's NOT working, so he's here ... but not just because he's got time on his hands.))
So why do I feel like we are being used here?
This is not intended as ridicule - and certainly not intended to slight Mr. Malred, et. al. But I am concerned that Mr. Malred is taking all of OUR input, all of our responses here,·as working examples of what rightfully concerned and technically advised investors might COUNTER to their proposals. Perhaps he wants to prepair·to be able respond with technically convincing arguements.·· We are giving him just that, aren't we?
Think about this: we have all been noticing and pointing out Mr. Malreds lack of professionalism - and his somewhat sarcastic tone at many stages... and yet we keep wondering: " WHY is he doing this -·it makes no sense·- isn't he shooting himself in the foot ? "
There is only ONE plausible explanation for why he is doing this: he wants to taunt us to keep us coming back for more·- coming back with replies that unwittingly contribute to his plan.
IMO, we should stop responding and let this thread and any others arising just fall off.· And if we are all wrong about our suspicions and they do come out with a working AI platform?· Great!· More power to them - and us.·
I don't mind being wrong, humbled, or chagrined - especially when I'm wrong in a big way.
If this *speculation* on my part is correct, however, then this old saw really does apply:
This thread is too long to completely follow, but at the risk of being redundant I'll point out that there has been some significant AI and Neural Network projects involving the Lego Mindstorm/NXT for several years, so certainly some of these aspects can be accomplished (ie they already have).· Porting that work to the Propeller platform should not be a massive undertaking.
WRONG!
Its not us who are used, it is:
Ms Allred
Mr Allred
The roles in this commedy ... sorry drama:
Miss Alred has got some money, but she realized it won't be enough 'till the end of here days.
Mr. Allred has no money (She's the BOSS!), and he's got no clue about technical things. But he is really fascinated about them.
By chance, Mr. Allred met Dr. Jim in some bar (no name given to protect the innocent). Dr. Jim already lost all of his money in filing a bunch of useless patents. He took the chance to convince Mr. Allred that he has THE master-plan. Mr. Allred, completely convinced by the shere amount of buzzwords in return convinced his wife Ms. Allred (she's only in knitting and patchwork) about the great idea and the incredbile amounts of money they will earn.
And that's how it started.
Mr. Allred still is blindly relaying on Dr. Jim who is spending most of his time to construct other farts ... sorry buzz ... and thinking of ways how to keep the money flowing (in his direction, by all means).
Now kids, it's time to go to bed. And tomorrow (or any other day) this bubble will burst.
Nick
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Is what true? Dr. Jim relationship yes. That businesses start with family members yes.
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This shows just how professional the members of this forum really are. Come on guys, get out of that basement, and get some fresh air, and sunlight. I would expect to see this kind of stuff on the BETA news forum, not here. This use to be a nice, and informative forum, I am starting to have my doubts.
I suggest that if this topic was presented professionally, it would garner professional responses.· You don't see this type of reaction to very many threads here; it is not coincidence that this one has evolved as it has.
Guys it's one thing to question a product or idea, but let's keep from mockery of the individuals.
This group is better than that... It's what makes this forum better than 10,000 others.
Me three. One of this forum's hallmarks has always been being polite and respectful. While I too have my doubts over the KISS OS, why don't we dial it down a notch? Discussing the relationships of the folks from KISS OS is WAY out of bounds.
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I think that the members of this forum have been extraordinarily kind to mallred and MIT in light of what they are claiming for the wares they are peddling.· When someone walks up to you and offers in all seriousness to sell you something for mere hundreds of dollars more than it is worth because it will real soon now be capable of doing things that billions of dollars in investment have failed to do, and when our requests for detail are met with stonewalling, hand-waving, and "because I said so," how else are we supposed to react?
Use square brackets instead of <>, they work better. [noparse];)[/noparse]
We should respond the same way if someone was trying to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge. (Chuckle and walk away.)
I don't have issue with questioning the product offered, just lowering ourselves to questioning
their personal heritage is usually a little beneath us.
Comments
Don't worry.. As long as I get the hundred things I have left to do, we'll all be fine!! [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Thanks for chuckle..
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Just kidding of course. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Post Edited (hover1) : 8/20/2009 1:46:18 AM GMT
Don't worry, be happy, enjoy your youth without too many thoughts. You have so many years in front of you to become really stressed
PS. Others have corrected your spelling errors. I cannot allow me, I am worse than you
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
-·don't you·feel like·we're on the Starship Enterprise, with the alarm sounding?
No?
It seems·like we've been invaded by Malred the A.I' Bot - or maybe he's not a bot, but·the real (but not Dr.)·McCoy.
I, for one, feel like we·all are being used here.
Why?
Again, I have to say,·it would be astounding if Mr.Malred, et. al. have a business plan. And it would be more astounding if that plan were able to convince·investors. (Sure, some inexperienced or technically naive investor, but virtually no venture capital firm would touch this - in *any* economy. ·Then again, see the prime example of possible bamboozlement in the A.I. area via the link Localroger posted in this thread ca pg 5-7.)
Why can I say that with confidence?
Simple deduction.· If you (the investor) don't understand something, then·you ask for advice from those who do understand that something. Further, if it were a significant investment, you would ask for multiple opinions. If the opinions made enough sense and the plan looked feasible, then you would enter into trade-off and risk calculations. If you can manage the risk, you go for it.··In my *opinion*, Mr.Malred, et.al.·are not getting the wanted -and required - opinions that will support their aims, allowing it to move forward.·
Consider this big red flag: WE collectively HAVE that knowledge to judge this (ad)venture correctly. These threads stand as a testiment.
((Also, as an aside, it·has been mentioned: if this were such a big ticket item, why is Mr. Malred spending a large amount of time here?· To be nice to us, to be nice to Prop users?· To Promote the Prop? If they really wanted to help us and promote the prop, why don't they just put together a few well produced webinars that explain how to do all their cool stuff.·They *should have* the money to do this. And the money to free up Mr. Malred from posting here.·If nothing else, Mr. Malred's management skills are questionable - he should hire subordinates to post and market... he should spend his more valuable time concentrating on the business working.· But I suspect it's NOT working, so he's here ... but not just because he's got time on his hands.))
So why do I feel like we are being used here?
This is not intended as ridicule - and certainly not intended to slight Mr. Malred, et. al. But I am concerned that Mr. Malred is taking all of OUR input, all of our responses here,·as working examples of what rightfully concerned and technically advised investors might COUNTER to their proposals. Perhaps he wants to prepair·to be able respond with technically convincing arguements.·· We are giving him just that, aren't we?
Think about this: we have all been noticing and pointing out Mr. Malreds lack of professionalism - and his somewhat sarcastic tone at many stages... and yet we keep wondering: " WHY is he doing this -·it makes no sense·- isn't he shooting himself in the foot ? "
There is only ONE plausible explanation for why he is doing this: he wants to taunt us to keep us coming back for more·- coming back with replies that unwittingly contribute to his plan.
IMO, we should stop responding and let this thread and any others arising just fall off.· And if we are all wrong about our suspicions and they do come out with a working AI platform?· Great!· More power to them - and us.·
I don't mind being wrong, humbled, or chagrined - especially when I'm wrong in a big way.
If this *speculation* on my part is correct, however, then this old saw really does apply:
Caveat Emptor!
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Some examples:
A neural network for Java Lego robots
Generation 5
But I agree, the way MIT has presented themselves here makes you wonder.
Hopefully the treatment methods are different than how they're dealing with it in China ;-)
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Post Edited (Agent420) : 8/20/2009 7:20:17 PM GMT
WRONG!
Its not us who are used, it is:
Ms Allred
Mr Allred
The roles in this commedy ... sorry drama:
Miss Alred has got some money, but she realized it won't be enough 'till the end of here days.
Mr. Allred has no money (She's the BOSS!), and he's got no clue about technical things. But he is really fascinated about them.
By chance, Mr. Allred met Dr. Jim in some bar (no name given to protect the innocent). Dr. Jim already lost all of his money in filing a bunch of useless patents. He took the chance to convince Mr. Allred that he has THE master-plan. Mr. Allred, completely convinced by the shere amount of buzzwords in return convinced his wife Ms. Allred (she's only in knitting and patchwork) about the great idea and the incredbile amounts of money they will earn.
And that's how it started.
Mr. Allred still is blindly relaying on Dr. Jim who is spending most of his time to construct other farts ... sorry buzz ... and thinking of ways how to keep the money flowing (in his direction, by all means).
Now kids, it's time to go to bed. And tomorrow (or any other day) this bubble will burst.
Nick
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Never use force, just go for a bigger hammer!
The DIY Digital-Readout for mills, lathes etc.:
YADRO
Post Edited (Nick Mueller) : 8/20/2009 10:37:54 PM GMT
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Is that legal?
Nick
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The DIY Digital-Readout for mills, lathes etc.:
YADRO
It's been a standard plot in SF for something like 80 years.
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
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I can't wait for the next episode!
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Computers are microcontrolled.
Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.
But you·can·call me micro.
If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.
I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)
And married to Mr Allred - nepotism in a big way!
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Suzuki SV1000S motorcycle
My crystall ball came back from service just yesterday. So I couldn't tell you the only truth before.
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YADRO
edit - Gonzo journalism removed because this is a serious thread.· But it was funny as hell
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Certe, toto, sentio nos in kansate non iam adesse
Guys it's one thing to question a product or idea, but let's keep from mockery of the individuals.
This group is better than that... It's what makes this forum better than 10,000 others.
OBC
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Use square brackets instead of <>, they work better. [noparse];)[/noparse]
We should respond the same way if someone was trying to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge.
(Chuckle and walk away.)
I don't have issue with questioning the product offered, just lowering ourselves to questioning
their personal heritage is usually a little beneath us.
OBC
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