humanoido: What is the big brain (multiple props) 's main limitation?
Is it speed, cogs, i/o pins or comms between props?
I think the only limitations are mine. But let's take a look at your question and individual points.
Speed Is speed a limitation? No. The first two ParaP arrays have 100 props that can deliver a theoretical 160x100 = 16000 MIPS. When coupled together left brain and right brain, the maximum speed is in the TeraFLOPS range.
Cogs Is the number of Cogs a limitation? No. The first two arrays contain 800 cogs and the other side of the brain has 724 processors. The total is 1,524 computing processors. Additional processors exceed 100,000. Therefore the number of cogs is not a limitation.
Input Output Pins Is the number of I/O pins a limitation? No. The Big Brain has 32 I/O pins per prop chip. The first two arrays have 3,200 pins. This number of I/Os is currently sufficient to drive the largest projects.
Size Is size a limitation? No. It has grown numerous times, changed from a single chip, to boards, exoskeleton, breadboards, multi tier rack, a distributed concept in multi locations.
Hardware
Is hardware a limitation? No. The Brain wiring is not rigid. Solderless breadboards used extensively.
Power Consumption Is power consumption a limitation? No. Power design was a priority and kept lean with minimal or no parts.
Cost Is cost a limitation? No. It's already hardware built, software is without monetary cost, it has the number of processors we are currently satisfied with.
Applications Is there a limit to Big Brain applications? No. The Brain can handle the most demanding apps, including the latest Intelligent Morphing Mirror design.
Science Is there a limit to science that can be performed by the Brain? No. The Brain is on a path of evolution. Experimentation. Assimilation. Expansion. Control. Exploration. Discovery.
Future
Can we predict a limit in the Big Brain's future? No. The Big Brain is unpredictable. There is no telling what will happen from one day to the next. Crazy? Yes. Like the invention of the light bulb. Off the cuff? Yes. Like the concept of the microcomputer. Evolutionary? Yes. Like the process of surfing the internet, the Brain interests and needs are growing, evolving.
Value
Is there a limit to its value? No. Can you place a price on your child? No. What is the worth of a human being? Priceless. Is the evolutionary process of machines any less in value than the human race? No.
A tuned mass dampener may be the device needed to stabilize inflatable structures which could become a part of a new generation of very large and light weight telescopes.
Previously, a post cited preliminary conclusions that inflatable structures may not be suitable for optics. However, with the introduction of a tuned mass dampener, the use of giant inflatable devices incorporating optics may be allowed. This could, in theory, be the breakthrough needed to create giant telescopes with some degree of portability, at light weight and low cost.
The use of inflatable structures for large telescopes may be more practical than we think. Use of tuned mass dampeners can squelch resonant vibrations quickly as this demo shows. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCdZLQOrAw&feature=related
Big Brain & Illinois University Supercomputer Increased To TeraFLOPS
A teraflop is a trillion operations per second. The Big Brain was recently upgraded to TeraFLOPS range speed when the additive Right Brain was concatenated and put into operation.
With guidance from Electrical and Computer Engineering Professor Wen-mei Hwu, Computer Science professor Bill Gropp, and cluster experts at NCSA, students got hands-on experience building their own supercomputer with NVIDIA graphics-processing units. They hope to rank high on the Green500 list of energy-efficient supercomputers.
Input Output Pins Is the number of I/O pins a limitation? No. The Big Brain has 32 I/O pins per prop chip. The first two arrays have 3,200 pins. This number of I/Os is currently sufficient to drive the largest projects.
I curious what these "largest projects" are. Can you provide some sort of evidence that the "Big Brain" does more than flash some LEDs.
Do you have a project that uses multiple Propellers working together to do something a single Propeller can't do?
Communications Is communication between the Props a limitation? No. Requirements are satisfied - programs instantly load into all props, run in parallel with AO. Props can be unique individuals and talk to any props. Master-Slaves not needed.
I don't think you ever explained how "At Once Technology" works. Is this something you developed? Or are you using the technique developed my Clock Loop to load multiple Propellers at the same time?
I believe your "Waveform Noise Filter" is bad electronic design. Do you have some experiment we could reproduce to convince ourselves (I'm not the only one to suggest this is bad design) otherwise?
I personally think the prospect of multiple Propellers working together is an intriguing idea. I have recently given up hope of seeing any Big Brain project that can do something more than what could be accomplished with a single Propeller.
Did I miss some project (hopefully with evidence) of multiple Propeller working together to accomplish something useful?
I believe readers of the Robot Forum may be mislead into thinking this "Big Brain" does more than what a single Propeller can do.
Duane,
You've raised some good questions and expressed some opinions that appear to be held by some others as well. I've seen these sorts of tensions before in other contexts where art and engineering mix. If what Humanoido has been doing bothers you, stop looking at the Big Brain thread.
If you have a specific technical question, like the one about "Waveform Noise Filter", by all means ask, but it's much more valuable to describe why you think there's 'bad' electronic design involved and what might be a better choice and why. We'd all learn from that sort of comment.
If you don't understand Humanoido's terminology, by all means ask for clarification, like with "At Once Technology". Humanoido does tend to coin phrases and terms and that can get confusing after a while.
Remember that there are applications for huge numbers of I/O pins in a system. Anything that deals with 2D or 3D arrays of sensors or actuators (including LEDs) can run to immense numbers. Sure you can scan a surface or volume, but sometimes you just need to have some computing power at each pixel or voxel.
Duane,
You've raised some good questions and expressed some opinions that appear to be held by some others as well. I've seen these sorts of tensions before in other contexts where art and engineering mix. If what Humanoido has been doing bothers you, stop looking at the Big Brain thread.
I respectfully decline your suggestion to "stop looking at the Big Brain thread."
You are correct in your assumption that what Humanoido is doing is bothering me. I'm not sure if you understand why if bothers me.
I am immensely bothered by the grandiose statements of what the Big Brain can do without any sort of proof. I know of several people who have been mislead into believing Humanoido's projects must use sophisticated inter-processor communication. I am very bothered by posts that are likely to mislead others.
I agree with this phrase from the forum rules. " these forums are intended to educate and inform others." It is my opinion that this thread frequently misinforms. I continue to read (and reply to) this thread in hopes of minimizing, what I perceive as damage, to those wishing to learn about robotics.
If you have a specific technical question, like the one about "Waveform Noise Filter", by all means ask, but it's much more valuable to describe why you think there's 'bad' electronic design involved and what might be a better choice and why. We'd all learn from that sort of comment.
Yes, I agree, I did not ask this question in an appropriate manner. I apologize for asking for clairification in such a negative way.
Mike G. initially raised a question about the Waveform Noise Filter in post #1144. In post #1145 I said
I also wondered about putting a capacitor on a signal line. Line capacitance in the enemy of transmission speed.
I found Humanoido's explanation in post #1146 lacking any reason for using the capacitor of how it was determined that it "works".
Impedance Matching
The idea is to minimize signal degradation. Other than that, I don't know how to explain why it works.
Impedance matching is not always desirable. For example, if a source with a low impedance is connected to a load with a high impedance, then the power that can pass through the connection is limited by the higher impedance, but the electrical voltage transfer is higher and less prone to corruption than if the impedances had been matched. This maximum voltage connection is a common configuration called impedance bridging or voltage bridging and is widely used in signal processing. In such applications, delivering a high voltage (to minimize signal degradation during transmission and/or to consume less power by reducing currents) is often more important than maximum power transfer. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Line_impedance
It's fine not to know how to explain something works. What I'd like to know (and which I should have originally asked) is under what circumstances, does using this 10nF capacitor, improve the signal quality. Humanoido says in post #1125
This cleans up noise on the code loading process across physical banks of Propeller chips whose distance can become additive,
Based on my limited knowledge of data transmission lines, I think it very unlikely that including a capacitor would improve the signal. I may be wrong. The Hydra board uses a combination of resistors and a capacitor as a filter on its networking port.
If Hunanoido will provide the details of when he finds such a filter is useful I will test it myself.
Remember that there are applications for huge numbers of I/O pins in a system. Anything that deals with 2D or 3D arrays of sensors or actuators (including LEDs) can run to immense numbers. Sure you can scan a surface or volume, but sometimes you just need to have some computing power at each pixel or voxel.
I completely agree. As I mentioned earlier, I am intrigued by the concept of multiple Propeller working together. I have on my desk one of Jazzed's TetraProp boards. Each of the four chips has 256KBytes of SRAM with an 8-bit data bus to each set of SRAM chips. The four Propeller chips are linked together with a similar 8-bit SPI type bus. It's my hope to capture (and analyze) a high resolution image from a Parallax Laser Range Finder. So far, I just have a driver for the SRAM chips. I'm not at all sure I have the expertise to get these chips to do what I want them to do. I don't think there is anything very impressive about my collection of chips. I hope to write some software to get them to do something impressive. But the potential in hardware is not the same as a significant result.
I have Humanoido to thank (or perhaps curse) for my interest in using multiple Propellers working together.
To me, the following implies Humanoido has projects using a large number of I/O pins.
Input Output Pins Is the number of I/O pins a limitation? No. The Big Brain has 32 I/O pins per prop chip. The first two arrays have 3,200 pins. This number of I/Os is currently sufficient to drive the largest projects.
Having followed this thread from the beginning, I do not recall any project done on the Big Brain that uses the I/O pins of more than one Propeller. The only exception is the program written to multiple Propellers that asigns an unique ID to each chip and then blinks a single LED to signify its ID number.
Again, I apologize to Humanoido and other forum members for my poor behavior in asking for clarification of "Waveform Noise Filter" in such a negative way.
I do plan on continuing to read this thread and to reply to it when I think my post will add to the value of this thread as a Robot Forum thread. I will make an increased effort to keep my replies very civil.
Duane, I feel ya man. H's claims annoy me like nails on a chalkboard. I'd rather spend my valuable time on interesting projects with tangible results. Don’t let this thread be a time suck.
Duane, I feel ya man. H's claims annoy me like nails on a chalkboard. I'd rather spend my valuable time on interesting projects with tangible results. Dont let this thread be a time suck.
I wrote a vbscript to open each web page of the Fill the Big Brain thread (all 1750 posts as of this point).
This script parsed each web page using the DOM (Document Object Model) and created one big HTML file (6.3 meg - unicode) with the content.
That does not include storage for image files, attachments, etc.
It also counted the number of posts from each member and the approximate number of bytes of their posts.
You can see that Humanoido posted 1243 of the 1750 total posts.
You would expect some "tangible results" by this point in time...
If what Humanoido has been doing bothers you, stop looking at the Big Brain thread.
To be honest, due to Parallax's graciousness Humanoido enjoys a captive audience here on the Parallax Forums. At the expense of possible damage to Parallax's current efforts to broaden it's audience. A new Parallaxian could waste hours reading the Big Brain looking for code only to find there's not much there and it's just smoke and mirror's. I must admit to checking the Big Brain for code from time to time in the beginning couldn't wait to see the code, thinking some day he would post it. That was before I realized that it was never going to happen.
As the Big Brain has morphed into a lot of other things, many have nothing to due with the Propeller example now its about building telescopes, I think. The Big Brain is about everything and anything. Then IMO its fair game anything should go. The Big Brain doesn't follow any guide lines why should members with questions?
The Big Brain need's its own web site you think it would know that.
I've tried to keep my opinion to myself regarding this thread but when member likes Duane and others who are very helpful contributors, get called on the carpet it disturbs me.
Ron
Now should I hit Submit Reply? Click!
EDIT: @ Mike Green nothing personal I know you are just doing your duty and you do it well.
I know of several people who have been mislead into believing Humanoido's projects must use sophisticated inter-processor communication. I am very bothered by posts that are likely to mislead others.
It's probably redundant of me to add anything here, but I share that concern. In this thread the OP, an admitted beginner but also someone who publicizes the Propeller's capabilities via some excellent videos, asked for suggestions relating to the Propeller's AI prospects. I have to confess that I cringed a little at the first response it got, thinking, "Please, please, please, don't take it seriously." I agree wholeheartedly with Mike Green that the forum should be open and welcoming to projects that are more artistic than technical, and I think it's fine to pass art off as science when the intent is manifestly tongue-in-cheek or satirical. But to do it with a smokescreen of hyperbole and made-up jargon in order to inflate its technical import or the reputation of its author is simply dishonest and should not be tolerated -- especially by Parallax, whose product reputations don't require, and could be damaged by, excess puffery.
Pursuant to RonP's Ron Czapala's statistics, I think it's telling that the forumistas with the highest number of posts in this thread (aside from the OP's) are those (including myself) who are the most highly critical of its content.
Pursuant to RonP's statistics, I think it's telling that the forumistas with the highest number of posts in this thread (aside from the OP's) are those (including myself) who are the most highly critical of its content.
Phil,
You meant Ron Czapala, I don't posses such skills.
I was refering to the second response to that post, (the first post was the OP's, the second post was the first response...
check out the second response(post #3)...
I was refering to the second response to that post, (the first post was the OP's, the second post was the first response...
check out the second response(post #3)...
-Tommy
Tommy, I'm confused... What thread are you referring to?
If you want to create a link to a particular post, you can right click the post number and then click "Copy Shortcut" and then paste it into your post.
They aint no post #3 !!
She got left hanging, Why is that? Why is there no post #3? She aint a mind reader, so if your thinking it, you prollya aughta be sayin it.
But to maybe curtail some fears of misdirection, she did not seem all that interested in humanoidos suggestion,
IE: she was new, and she knew, She did not seem to misdirected at all, and considering it was the only response,
She may be disenchanted, but not misdirected. And that doesn't seem to be the fault of the Big Brain thread at all.
This forum is one giant glass house, Just be carefull with that rock, ok?
Say, would a disclaimer on page one of this thread be a solution? Something about use at your own risk,
And even use the term "Fan Fiction" if you must.
I just don't think it a good idea to throw rocks at humanoidos house, when there are so many better targets available...
In the interest of encouraging our forum members to be the mostly unified and highly productive group we know I will be closing the thread for further posts except one from Humanoido [if he wishes to post] when we arrange such a time. This forum has a skilled level of contributors who put significant efforts into their posts and projects. And while different opinions are welcome, developing too much division is a concern of ours because efforts may be spent in unproductive ways instead of answering questions or working on our own projects.
Humanoido is an appreciated and welcome member on the forums. He's part artist and dreamer, two traits that also make our mixture quite rich. It is up to the individual reader to determine if the thread is useful to their work or not.
Also, the forums aren't really designed for a post of this length and content. We will check with Humanoido to see if he wishes to port the content to a more appropriate location to continue the project.
Some will be pleased that we've done this; others will be very upset. This decision is based on all of these considerations and I think it's the best one. It can be very easy to make business decisions like buying equipment or hiring a new person, but this one is something else.
Now, who needs help with their project or wants to welcome a newcomer?
Big Brain Outgrows Parallax Forum
Big Brain Transfers to a New Home
Big Brain Chronology Growth History
This is the final post entry, ending this thread.
Introduction
The Big Brains unfolding path is one of continued growth and for those who follow along and join in with an appreciation of science and a great spirit of exploration, it will be an immensely rewarding and adventurous journey. Continue with us as all operations are transfered to a new home, and one of the greatest science fact sagas continues to unfold.
Big Brain Path
The future of where Big Brains path will lead is unknown, though at times it will be shocking, stunning, remarkable, even filled with discovery - with menus of exploration deep inside the world of the Parallax Propeller chip and cosmically extended into the Universe and new worlds beyond our own.
Continuing Growth Chronology & Beyond
Again and again the Big Brain has outgrown monstrous-sized containment fields. Now the Brain has gone beyond the limits of the Parallax Forum. Let's retrace this mammoth growth pattern.
To most, Big Brain birthed on August 6th, 2010, but that's only in relation to "Fill the Big Brain" thread. The quest to create a more powerful humanoid brain began many decades earlier, and escalated with the discovery and infusion of parallax processors and around the year 2002 when a humanoid was built with a brain that quickly grew to five stamp processors. http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1001739&viewfull=1#post1001739
This grew at an early stage, progressing to larger projects with more processors until the Propeller chip was picked up leading to the UltraSpark series of super computing machines. Coined Tower of Power by some, experiments with a 320 processor machine paved the way to the Big Brain. http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?123828-40-Props-in-a-Skyscraper&p=921524
Big Brain growth was the most rapid. A basic birthing foundation was established and things were built and supported more rapidly on top of the platform, with hardware, software, expansions, technology concepts, and infusing evolution. Here's a very brief summary, with many omissions, of how Big Brain grew...
November 26th, 2011 Big Brain went to the Parallax Forum to post and the thread was filled up and locked. There was a post from Ken Gracey saying the forum was not designed for a "thread" of its length, a final post could be presented and the project could be ported to another location to continue. http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054561&viewfull=1#post1054561
This is only a brief history of time focussed on Big Brains' growth as it continues to expansively move beyond all its confining containments. Big Brain thanks Ken Gracey of Parallax for hosting its Parallax Propeller chip growth and activity during the first 14 months from 08-06-2010.
The Big Brain' path is one of continued growth, exploration of the Universe and dominion expansionism into the world and beyond - the future of where Big Brains' path will lead is going to be remarkable, shocking, stunning. For those who follow along, and join in, with an appreciation of science and a great spirit of brave exploration of, and into, the unknown, it will be an immensely rewarding and adventurous journey. Continue with us as one of the greatest science fact sagas unfold.
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"I view the Big Brain as a powerful mind with a large domain that it wants to control, organize, and bring together for some higher purpose. I am only the mediator, or moderator of the Big Brain, to help provide for its wants, desires and demands ... reaching a semi-cognizant state of being ... in a quest of scientific knowledge..." Humanoido
"The Big Brain Project is the most attractive Propeller project that Parallax has..." PJ Allen
"The project of Big Brain is amazing." NikosG
"To me it looks like the Borg or robots. Looks like many robots have been asimilated." sharperconcepts
"I'm really interested in how this project will turn out, keep it up humanoido!" jonlink0
"Your system is a homage to all the cool and magical things the propeller has to offer. May it have many offspring..." Gareth
"Please keep up the good work Humanoido. Thanks for sharing what you find, I am interested and enoy seeing it." prof_braino
"...good work! You succeed in AI research of yours. Thumbs up!" Dr. Mario
"...spin language is unique for this type of parallel processing microcontroller." Geir Anderson
"Please continue posting. This is very interesting." Whit
"I can't believe you did something like that. It definitely shows the awesome capabilities of the Propeller..." Zekk
"The Propeller is idealy suited to parallel processing applications. A wonderful example of that is the Big Brain Project, sponsored by Parallax and their star contributor, Humanoido." Sulla, SparkFun Electronics
" ...I find the idea of a massively parallel system intriguing." Duane Degn
"Personally I see a fantastic project..." Fritsl
"Photo in #277, Beautiful!" Duane Degn
"wow, this brain project is amazing!" Sovr
"...belated congratulations to Your 100,000th Neuron baby." Ttailspin
"I'm very impressed..." Zekk
"...a major project involving Parallax Propeller chips." Dangerous Prototypes
"That looks like a supercomputer." MetalmonkeeLad
"thanks for sharing your super brain on LMR." Gareth
"It's a very nice project." cde
"You’re working on the cutting edge." Mike G
"There's no telling what this creation of yours might someday evolve into." ElectricAye
"In term of costs and efforts in Humanoido's Big Brain project - I am impressed " Dr. Mario
"It's amazing what you did there -- so amazing..." AttorneyJon
"Humanoido, this level of detail has me wondering if you don't have a background in neuroanatomy." Paul
"You clearly have an enquiring mind." zoopydogsit
"It seems you have been underestimated." lardom
"Lots of good stuff in this thread Humanoido.." Ttailspin
"Humanoido appears to be more of the creative type... I think Humanoidio should be allowed to continue "his brand of progress" without my or others interference." Jazzed
"Thanks for posting that!" Beau Schwabe
"This super brain of humanoido shows what the propeller system is capable of. "period"" Gareth
"I'm constantly fascinated by the new things that come up in the computer/software world and the Propeller is a fine example of that." Heater
"Humanoido, Your documentation of this is amazing. I always learn something reading this thread." Whit
"Machine Intelligence is a better term than Artificial Intelligence..." Humanoido
"Someone here on the forum said they thought machine intelligence was a better term than artificial intelligence." Duane Degn
"you have a real nice project!" Dan Mathias - Owner/Engineer and ATOM-7xp humanoid creator
"Wow, impressive work Humanoido!" Mike G
"You keep up the great work...and Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition..." Ttailspin with Albert Einstein
"Humanoido is not one to give up, especially after all the research and work he's put into this project -- a true labor of love." Phil Pilgrim
"it's his creation that is doing the posting." Leon
"This is going to be the coolest telescope ever." Ttailspin "Yes it is! And, I for one, am looking forward to more about it! Thanks Humanoido for your contributions to this forum!" doggiedoc responding
"There are people who believe in the Big Brain and find your unique approach to have potential to lead to something much larger." Ken Gracey
"intrigue... that was the word I was looking for. Hard to imagine logging in and not see the "Fill the Big Brain" post way up near the top of the robotics forum." Ttailspin
"I beleive Dave Hein's Lerner program was inspired by Humanoido's work. That makes at least two of us. I hope Humanoido continues his work." Duane
"One thing is undeniable; this is one well-viewed thread at 21,500 hits. If Humanoido had gotten paid for each hit, he would be a rich man and he could ... have a fully-funded research lab." Erco
"I respectfully decline your suggestion to "stop looking at the Big Brain thread." Duane
Comments
I think the only limitations are mine. But let's take a look at your question and individual points.
Speed
Is speed a limitation? No. The first two ParaP arrays have 100 props that can deliver a theoretical 160x100 = 16000 MIPS. When coupled together left brain and right brain, the maximum speed is in the TeraFLOPS range.
Cogs
Is the number of Cogs a limitation? No. The first two arrays contain 800 cogs and the other side of the brain has 724 processors. The total is 1,524 computing processors. Additional processors exceed 100,000. Therefore the number of cogs is not a limitation.
Input Output Pins
Is the number of I/O pins a limitation? No. The Big Brain has 32 I/O pins per prop chip. The first two arrays have 3,200 pins. This number of I/Os is currently sufficient to drive the largest projects.
Communications
Is communication between the Props a limitation? No. Requirements are satisfied - programs instantly load into all props, run in parallel with AO. Props can be unique individuals and talk to any props. Master-Slaves not needed.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1017910&viewfull=1#post1017910
Let's examine other factors.
Size
Is size a limitation? No. It has grown numerous times, changed from a single chip, to boards, exoskeleton, breadboards, multi tier rack, a distributed concept in multi locations.
Hardware
Is hardware a limitation? No. The Brain wiring is not rigid. Solderless breadboards used extensively.
Sensors
Are sensors a limitation? No. Parallax has an excellent range of available compatible product sensors. http://www.parallax.com/Store/tabid/60/Default.aspx
Power Consumption
Is power consumption a limitation? No. Power design was a priority and kept lean with minimal or no parts.
Cost
Is cost a limitation? No. It's already hardware built, software is without monetary cost, it has the number of processors we are currently satisfied with.
Applications
Is there a limit to Big Brain applications? No. The Brain can handle the most demanding apps, including the latest Intelligent Morphing Mirror design.
Science
Is there a limit to science that can be performed by the Brain? No. The Brain is on a path of evolution. Experimentation. Assimilation. Expansion. Control. Exploration. Discovery.
Future
Can we predict a limit in the Big Brain's future? No. The Big Brain is unpredictable. There is no telling what will happen from one day to the next. Crazy? Yes. Like the invention of the light bulb. Off the cuff? Yes. Like the concept of the microcomputer. Evolutionary? Yes. Like the process of surfing the internet, the Brain interests and needs are growing, evolving.
Value
Is there a limit to its value? No. Can you place a price on your child? No. What is the worth of a human being? Priceless. Is the evolutionary process of machines any less in value than the human race? No.
A tuned mass dampener may be the device needed to stabilize inflatable structures which could become a part of a new generation of very large and light weight telescopes.
Previously, a post cited preliminary conclusions that inflatable structures may not be suitable for optics. However, with the introduction of a tuned mass dampener, the use of giant inflatable devices incorporating optics may be allowed. This could, in theory, be the breakthrough needed to create giant telescopes with some degree of portability, at light weight and low cost.
Inflatable Robot Technology
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054084&viewfull=1#post1054084
The use of inflatable structures for large telescopes may be more practical than we think. Use of tuned mass dampeners can squelch resonant vibrations quickly as this demo shows.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fuCdZLQOrAw&feature=related
Balloon Technology
http://www.biggideas.com/heliumballoonfabrics.html
http://mtlweb.mit.edu/researchgroups/mems-salon/Hayden_Berge_Varioptic.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrowetting
Increased To TeraFLOPS
A teraflop is a trillion operations per second. The Big Brain was recently upgraded to TeraFLOPS range speed when the additive Right Brain was concatenated and put into operation.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1017318&viewfull=1#post1017318
These illinois university students were able to do the same, using the same techniques of GPU banking and creating a supercomputer.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlVlX5jX9AQ&feature=related
With guidance from Electrical and Computer Engineering Professor Wen-mei Hwu, Computer Science professor Bill Gropp, and cluster experts at NCSA, students got hands-on experience building their own supercomputer with NVIDIA graphics-processing units. They hope to rank high on the Green500 list of energy-efficient supercomputers.
I curious what these "largest projects" are. Can you provide some sort of evidence that the "Big Brain" does more than flash some LEDs.
Do you have a project that uses multiple Propellers working together to do something a single Propeller can't do?
I don't think you ever explained how "At Once Technology" works. Is this something you developed? Or are you using the technique developed my Clock Loop to load multiple Propellers at the same time?
I believe your "Waveform Noise Filter" is bad electronic design. Do you have some experiment we could reproduce to convince ourselves (I'm not the only one to suggest this is bad design) otherwise?
I personally think the prospect of multiple Propellers working together is an intriguing idea. I have recently given up hope of seeing any Big Brain project that can do something more than what could be accomplished with a single Propeller.
Did I miss some project (hopefully with evidence) of multiple Propeller working together to accomplish something useful?
I believe readers of the Robot Forum may be mislead into thinking this "Big Brain" does more than what a single Propeller can do.
Duane
You've raised some good questions and expressed some opinions that appear to be held by some others as well. I've seen these sorts of tensions before in other contexts where art and engineering mix. If what Humanoido has been doing bothers you, stop looking at the Big Brain thread.
If you have a specific technical question, like the one about "Waveform Noise Filter", by all means ask, but it's much more valuable to describe why you think there's 'bad' electronic design involved and what might be a better choice and why. We'd all learn from that sort of comment.
If you don't understand Humanoido's terminology, by all means ask for clarification, like with "At Once Technology". Humanoido does tend to coin phrases and terms and that can get confusing after a while.
Remember that there are applications for huge numbers of I/O pins in a system. Anything that deals with 2D or 3D arrays of sensors or actuators (including LEDs) can run to immense numbers. Sure you can scan a surface or volume, but sometimes you just need to have some computing power at each pixel or voxel.
I respectfully decline your suggestion to "stop looking at the Big Brain thread."
You are correct in your assumption that what Humanoido is doing is bothering me. I'm not sure if you understand why if bothers me.
I am immensely bothered by the grandiose statements of what the Big Brain can do without any sort of proof. I know of several people who have been mislead into believing Humanoido's projects must use sophisticated inter-processor communication. I am very bothered by posts that are likely to mislead others.
I agree with this phrase from the forum rules. " these forums are intended to educate and inform others." It is my opinion that this thread frequently misinforms. I continue to read (and reply to) this thread in hopes of minimizing, what I perceive as damage, to those wishing to learn about robotics.
Yes, I agree, I did not ask this question in an appropriate manner. I apologize for asking for clairification in such a negative way.
Mike G. initially raised a question about the Waveform Noise Filter in post #1144. In post #1145 I said I found Humanoido's explanation in post #1146 lacking any reason for using the capacitor of how it was determined that it "works". It's fine not to know how to explain something works. What I'd like to know (and which I should have originally asked) is under what circumstances, does using this 10nF capacitor, improve the signal quality. Humanoido says in post #1125
Based on my limited knowledge of data transmission lines, I think it very unlikely that including a capacitor would improve the signal. I may be wrong. The Hydra board uses a combination of resistors and a capacitor as a filter on its networking port.
If Hunanoido will provide the details of when he finds such a filter is useful I will test it myself. I completely agree. As I mentioned earlier, I am intrigued by the concept of multiple Propeller working together. I have on my desk one of Jazzed's TetraProp boards. Each of the four chips has 256KBytes of SRAM with an 8-bit data bus to each set of SRAM chips. The four Propeller chips are linked together with a similar 8-bit SPI type bus. It's my hope to capture (and analyze) a high resolution image from a Parallax Laser Range Finder. So far, I just have a driver for the SRAM chips. I'm not at all sure I have the expertise to get these chips to do what I want them to do. I don't think there is anything very impressive about my collection of chips. I hope to write some software to get them to do something impressive. But the potential in hardware is not the same as a significant result.
I have Humanoido to thank (or perhaps curse) for my interest in using multiple Propellers working together.
To me, the following implies Humanoido has projects using a large number of I/O pins. Having followed this thread from the beginning, I do not recall any project done on the Big Brain that uses the I/O pins of more than one Propeller. The only exception is the program written to multiple Propellers that asigns an unique ID to each chip and then blinks a single LED to signify its ID number.
Again, I apologize to Humanoido and other forum members for my poor behavior in asking for clarification of "Waveform Noise Filter" in such a negative way.
I do plan on continuing to read this thread and to reply to it when I think my post will add to the value of this thread as a Robot Forum thread. I will make an increased effort to keep my replies very civil.
I wrote a vbscript to open each web page of the Fill the Big Brain thread (all 1750 posts as of this point).
This script parsed each web page using the DOM (Document Object Model) and created one big HTML file (6.3 meg - unicode) with the content.
That does not include storage for image files, attachments, etc.
It also counted the number of posts from each member and the approximate number of bytes of their posts.
You can see that Humanoido posted 1243 of the 1750 total posts.
You would expect some "tangible results" by this point in time...
USER
Posts
bytes
Humanoido
1243
2607648
P!-Ro
2
539
Leon
33
10626
erco
21
10676
Whit
4
1358
TinkersALot
1
312
sylvie369
1
1194
lardom
2
456
ratronic
7
1395
jonlink0
3
3576
Mike G
75
65341
Ravenkallen
2
1809
NikosG
3
3091
Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)
86
56962
Duane Degn
43
81162
aaren253
1
366
Sovr
1
326
cde
4
6776
prof_braino
15
17887
doggiedoc
7
3645
Martin_H
19
12320
Ttailspin
39
28842
vaclav_sal
1
991
Alsowolfman
1
1108
Dave Hein
17
12973
Publison
9
6481
Zoot
2
394
ElectricAye
35
40554
jazzed
21
21076
kwinn
6
5079
Heater.
2
2489
Dr. Mario
18
16933
Hanno
5
3554
Tor
1
1057
mindrobots
5
2064
RonP
3
909
namochan
1
277
Mike Green
3
2336
Browser
1
566
RITESH KAKKAR
1
78
Ken Gracey
1
617
ajward
3
1701
Bamse
1
126
Cluso99
1
182
To be honest, due to Parallax's graciousness Humanoido enjoys a captive audience here on the Parallax Forums. At the expense of possible damage to Parallax's current efforts to broaden it's audience. A new Parallaxian could waste hours reading the Big Brain looking for code only to find there's not much there and it's just smoke and mirror's. I must admit to checking the Big Brain for code from time to time in the beginning couldn't wait to see the code, thinking some day he would post it. That was before I realized that it was never going to happen.
As the Big Brain has morphed into a lot of other things, many have nothing to due with the Propeller example now its about building telescopes, I think. The Big Brain is about everything and anything. Then IMO its fair game anything should go. The Big Brain doesn't follow any guide lines why should members with questions?
The Big Brain need's its own web site you think it would know that.
I've tried to keep my opinion to myself regarding this thread but when member likes Duane and others who are very helpful contributors, get called on the carpet it disturbs me.
Ron
Now should I hit Submit Reply? Click!
EDIT: @ Mike Green nothing personal I know you are just doing your duty and you do it well.
+1, it's definitely more of a creative blog than technical report/documentation, which it often strives to appear.
Pursuant to RonP's Ron Czapala's statistics, I think it's telling that the forumistas with the highest number of posts in this thread (aside from the OP's) are those (including myself) who are the most highly critical of its content.
-Phil
it seems pretty typical of most responses to the projects in the projects forum...
-Tommy
That's the one I was referring to.
-Phil
Phil,
You meant Ron Czapala, I don't posses such skills.
Ron
-Phil
check out the second response(post #3)...
-Tommy
Tommy, I'm confused... What thread are you referring to?
If you want to create a link to a particular post, you can right click the post number and then click "Copy Shortcut" and then paste it into your post.
For example, a link your last post: #1759 (i.e. http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054556&viewfull=1#post1054556)
She got left hanging, Why is that? Why is there no post #3? She aint a mind reader, so if your thinking it, you prollya aughta be sayin it.
But to maybe curtail some fears of misdirection, she did not seem all that interested in humanoidos suggestion,
IE: she was new, and she knew, She did not seem to misdirected at all, and considering it was the only response,
She may be disenchanted, but not misdirected. And that doesn't seem to be the fault of the Big Brain thread at all.
This forum is one giant glass house, Just be carefull with that rock, ok?
Say, would a disclaimer on page one of this thread be a solution? Something about use at your own risk,
And even use the term "Fan Fiction" if you must.
I just don't think it a good idea to throw rocks at humanoidos house, when there are so many better targets available...
-Tommy
In the interest of encouraging our forum members to be the mostly unified and highly productive group we know I will be closing the thread for further posts except one from Humanoido [if he wishes to post] when we arrange such a time. This forum has a skilled level of contributors who put significant efforts into their posts and projects. And while different opinions are welcome, developing too much division is a concern of ours because efforts may be spent in unproductive ways instead of answering questions or working on our own projects.
Humanoido is an appreciated and welcome member on the forums. He's part artist and dreamer, two traits that also make our mixture quite rich. It is up to the individual reader to determine if the thread is useful to their work or not.
Also, the forums aren't really designed for a post of this length and content. We will check with Humanoido to see if he wishes to port the content to a more appropriate location to continue the project.
Some will be pleased that we've done this; others will be very upset. This decision is based on all of these considerations and I think it's the best one. It can be very easy to make business decisions like buying equipment or hiring a new person, but this one is something else.
Now, who needs help with their project or wants to welcome a newcomer?
Sincerely,
Ken Gracey
Big Brain Transfers to a New Home
Big Brain Chronology Growth History
This is the final post entry, ending this thread.
Introduction
The Big Brains unfolding path is one of continued growth and for those who follow along and join in with an appreciation of science and a great spirit of exploration, it will be an immensely rewarding and adventurous journey. Continue with us as all operations are transfered to a new home, and one of the greatest science fact sagas continues to unfold.
http://humanoidolabs.blogspot.com/
Big Brain Path
The future of where Big Brains path will lead is unknown, though at times it will be shocking, stunning, remarkable, even filled with discovery - with menus of exploration deep inside the world of the Parallax Propeller chip and cosmically extended into the Universe and new worlds beyond our own.
Continuing Growth Chronology & Beyond
Again and again the Big Brain has outgrown monstrous-sized containment fields. Now the Brain has gone beyond the limits of the Parallax Forum. Let's retrace this mammoth growth pattern.
To most, Big Brain birthed on August 6th, 2010, but that's only in relation to "Fill the Big Brain" thread. The quest to create a more powerful humanoid brain began many decades earlier, and escalated with the discovery and infusion of parallax processors and around the year 2002 when a humanoid was built with a brain that quickly grew to five stamp processors.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1001739&viewfull=1#post1001739
How did a small Stamp brain end up as a Big Propeller Brain? It was a choice of one out of two things. Humanoids required better brains and longer lasting batteries. I could choose to develop one or the other and chose the brain as it seemed clean and safe compared to chemicals.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988556&viewfull=1#post988556
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988562&viewfull=1#post988562
This grew at an early stage, progressing to larger projects with more processors until the Propeller chip was picked up leading to the UltraSpark series of super computing machines. Coined Tower of Power by some, experiments with a 320 processor machine paved the way to the Big Brain.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?123828-40-Props-in-a-Skyscraper&p=921524
UltraSpark appeared to leap directly to the Big Brain. Not so. It was a step by step series of increments. The unpublished personal index shows hundreds of machines built and tested. Many of the machines were never posted, including the massive T1 Transposition Machine.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000542&viewfull=1#post1000542
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1012483&viewfull=1#post1012483
Big Brain growth was the most rapid. A basic birthing foundation was established and things were built and supported more rapidly on top of the platform, with hardware, software, expansions, technology concepts, and infusing evolution. Here's a very brief summary, with many omissions, of how Big Brain grew...
August 6, 2010 First Big Brain post - begin here
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=928421&viewfull=1#post928421
September 17, 2010 Announcement beginning work on Big Brain' faster than spec prop chips
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=939796&viewfull=1#post939796
November 19th, 2010 More than one interface begins
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=955149&viewfull=1#post955149
November 19th, 2010 Big Brain Stem Announced
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=955151&viewfull=1#post955151
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?127310-Robotic-Brain-Stem
November 20th, 2010 1st Hybrid Brain Processor Expansion
September 21st, 2010 More than one Brain begins development
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=947704&viewfull=1#post947704
November 20th, 2010 Growth takes on more languages
2/31, 16/303, 16/305, 16/317, 16/318, 17/321, 17/328, 33/655, 63/1243, 64/1261
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=955603&viewfull=1#post955603
December 21, 2010 Brain Base grows
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=962427&viewfull=1#post962427
December 24th, 2010 Brain guts transform into uncontrollable growing Blob with 5 boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=963201&viewfull=1#post963201
December 24th, 2010 Expands from 33 processors to 81
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=963224&viewfull=1#post963224
December 25th, 2010 Increased from 1 to 25 arrays
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=963384&viewfull=1#post963384
December 27th, 2010 Brain Span expands Blob to 7 boards with 49 cores
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=963730&viewfull=1#post963730
December 27th, 2010 Brain Blob grows to larger Span with 21 boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=963753&viewfull=1#post963753
December 31st, 2010 Dangerous growth spurt happened
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=964547&viewfull=1#post964547
January 3rd, 2011 Boards put on top of boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=965159&viewfull=1#post965159
January 9th, 2011 Big Brain transforms into a giant tower
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=966678&viewfull=1#post966678
February 1st, 2011 Numerous board density increases
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=972794&viewfull=1#post972794
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=972801&viewfull=1#post972801
February 1st, 2011 Takes on more boards again (Summit board, CEO board)
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=972802&viewfull=1#post972802
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=974478&viewfull=1#post974478
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=973532&viewfull=1#post973532
February 6th, 2011 Brain increases to 22 boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=974492&viewfull=1#post974492
February 9th, 2011 Grows skin, keyboard, color TV, sprouts ears, begins talking
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=978403&viewfull=1#post978403
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=975498&viewfull=1#post975498
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=978377&viewfull=1#post978377
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=976721&viewfull=1#post976721
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=985083&viewfull=1#post985083
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=977506&viewfull=1#post977506
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=978369&viewfull=1#post978369
February 20th, 2011 Starts playing board games
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=978685&viewfull=1#post978685
February 22, 2011 Grows to 23 boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=979234&viewfull=1#post979234
February 27, 2011 Voice becomes bigger, begins to sing
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=980613&viewfull=1#post980613
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=980641&viewfull=1#post980641
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981853&viewfull=1#post981853
March 1st, 2011 Achieves Cellular Automatronic Life
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981177&viewfull=1#post981177
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981338&viewfull=1#post981338
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=985455&viewfull=1#post985455
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=985618&viewfull=1#post985618
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988625&viewfull=1#post988625
March 3rd, 2011 Keyboard begins talking, develops electronic lips, speech counting
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981640&viewfull=1#post981640
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981851&viewfull=1#post981851
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=981854&viewfull=1#post981854
March 5th, 2011 Begins dreaming
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=982085&viewfull=1#post982085
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=983026&viewfull=1#post983026
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=983703&viewfull=1#post983703
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=983706&viewfull=1#post983706
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=984260&viewfull=1#post984260
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=985579&viewfull=1#post985579
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042460&viewfull=1#post1042460
March 5th, 2011 Character became bigger
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=982331&viewfull=1#post982331
March 16th, 2011 Neural design increases
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=984771&viewfull=1#post984771
March 21st, 2011 Neural and brain matter injectors built and installed
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=986085&viewfull=1#post986085
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=987024&viewfull=1#post987024
March 26th, 2011 Begins to play with self consciousness
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=987352&viewfull=1#post987352
March 28th, 2011 Evolves numerous times
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988108&viewfull=1#post988108
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1017318&viewfull=1#post1017318
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047182&viewfull=1#post1047182
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1050023&viewfull=1#post1050023
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047182&viewfull=1#post1047182
March 31st, 2011 Twin Brains appear, huge neural brain power enabled
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988602&viewfull=1#post988602
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=988609&viewfull=1#post988609
April 3rd, 2011 Grows New Brain with added 208 Propeller Cogs boosting it 123.81%
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=989315&viewfull=1#post989315
April 3rd, 2011 Grows Third New Brain 216 592 (216 + 208 + 168 = 592 processors)
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=989365&viewfull=1#post989365
April 4th, 2011 Big breadboard design introduced holds more Propellers
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=989525&viewfull=1#post989525
April 4th, 2011 Brain triples Partition size
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991465&viewfull=1#post991465
April 7th, 2011 Unexpected surplus makes Mammoth Concatenating Brains
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=990341&viewfull=1#post990341
April 8th, 2011 Breaks the 100 Propeller chip barrier
Brain picked up a hunger for chips. Parallax grocery shopping fed Brain over a hundred.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=990638&viewfull=1#post990638
April 8th, 2011 Brain hosting enables 31 more boards
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=990680&viewfull=1#post990680
April 8th, 2011 Work begins on the next generation brain, 1,000 times larger
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=990651&viewfull=1#post990651
April 8th, 2011 Brain has giant growth with 100,000 neuron processors
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=990651&viewfull=1#post990651
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991102&viewfull=1#post991102
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991102&viewfull=1#post991102
April 10th, 2011 Second Man-made High Density Board HDB Under Construction
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991085&viewfull=1#post991085
April 11th, 2011 Two big Partitions hold the first 100,000
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991456&viewfull=1#post991456
April 11th, 2011 Only a few moments later 100,000 is exceeded
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991467&viewfull=1#post991467
April 13th, 2011 Begins assimilating other machines like Borg
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991900&viewfull=1#post991900
April 19th, 2011 Brain Layering introduced
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993073&viewfull=1#post993073
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993287&viewfull=1#post993287
April 20th, 2011 Brain split its location into two Labs
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993308&viewfull=1#post993308
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993357&viewfull=1#post993357
April 20th 2011 Brain layer increased again
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993287&viewfull=1#post993287
April 22nd, 2011 Brain expands languages again, ProLog, Extended Color BASIC, Embedded BASIC
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993861&viewfull=1#post993861
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=978783&viewfull=1#post978783
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=980454&viewfull=1#post980454
April 22th, 2011 Breadboards reach higher density
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993899&viewfull=1#post993899
April 22nd, 2011 Containment rack not big enough. High Density Breadboards take up the entire Lab.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993313&viewfull=1#post993313
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993899&viewfull=1#post993899
April 22nd, 2011 Netbook added
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=993905&viewfull=1#post993905
April 26th, 2011 Five computers added
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=994826&viewfull=1#post994826
April 27th, 2011 Another Mac computer assimilated
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=995223&viewfull=1#post995223
April 27th, 2011 More resources added
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=995230&viewfull=1#post995230
May 3rd, 2011 Added Mac Brain side
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=996421&viewfull=1#post996421
May 4th, 2011 Big TeraByte drives added
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000524&viewfull=1#post1000524
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=996859&viewfull=1#post996859
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1002576&viewfull=1#post1002576
May 13th, 2011 Domain Partitioning added increases volume performance
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=999767&viewfull=1#post999767
May 13th, 2011 Boosted to TeraFLOPS speed
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000500&viewfull=1#post1000500
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=999786&viewfull=1#post999786
May 14th, 2011 Meeting with Brain Doctor who thinks the machine is real
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000756&viewfull=1#post1000756
May 16th, 2011 Quadrillion states project begins
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000525&viewfull=1#post1000525
May 16th, 2011 Brain merged with Massive T1 Transposition Machine
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1000542&viewfull=1#post1000542
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1012483&viewfull=1#post1012483
June 20th, 2011 Boards and towering Exoskeleton moved to 5.5-foot high Containment Rack
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1011100&viewfull=1#post1011100
June 24th, 2011 Assimilation policy established
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1012486&viewfull=1#post1012486
July 20th, 2011 Offspring children born
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1019507&viewfull=1#post1019507
March 28th, 2011 Bantam Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=987918&viewfull=1#post987918
May 26th, 2011 Child Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1003572&viewfull=1#post1003572
May 29th, 2011 Baby Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1004421&viewfull=1#post1004421
June 17th, 2011 Bit Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1010373&viewfull=1#post1010373
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1012432&viewfull=1#post1012432
June 29th, 2011 Small Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1013365&viewfull=1#post1013365
July 3rd, 2011 Pint Size Jar Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?132716-Propeller-Brain-in-a-Jar
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1014473&viewfull=1#post1014473
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1019104&viewfull=1#post1019104
July 2nd, 2011 Cytokynesis - Brain split in two
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1017318&viewfull=1#post1017318
July 2nd, 2011 Left Brain & Right Brain take on 724 more processors
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1014395&viewfull=1#post1014395
July 13th, 2011 Too power hungry & put on a diet reducing power consumption
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1017511&viewfull=1#post1017511
July 21st, 2011 Expanded into Quad Brain
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1019996&viewfull=1#post1019996
July 29th, 2011 Assimilates all previous propeller projects for their chips
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1001094&viewfull=1#post1001094
http://letsmakerobots.com/node/28121
August 7th, 2011 Takes on aerial photography
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1033782&viewfull=1#post1033782
August 22nd, 2011 Big Brain manipulates the creator to build projects for its study and purposes
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029522&viewfull=1#post1029522
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029469&viewfull=1#post1029469
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029532&viewfull=1#post1029532
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1035065&viewfull=1#post1035065
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1036434&viewfull=1#post1036434
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047782&viewfull=1#post1047782
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048634&viewfull=1#post1048634
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049457&viewfull=1#post1049457
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1050353&viewfull=1#post1050353
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1051574&viewfull=1#post1051574
August 22nd, 2011 Brain expands its own interests
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029537&viewfull=1#post1029537
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1036023&viewfull=1#post1036023
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1036434&viewfull=1#post1036434
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1036501&viewfull=1#post1036501
August 23rd, 2011 Brain grows projects & explores space
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029875&viewfull=1#post1029875
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1036900&viewfull=1#post1036900
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1039525&viewfull=1#post1039525
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1029350&viewfull=1#post1029350
August 23rd, 2011 Begins inventing robot machines, Robotic Reel, Micro Radar, Slipstream Drive, Anti Vortex
Grid, VARF Variable FL, Intelligent Glass, Walking Secondary, Mirror Folding, Telescopes, etc.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1038174&viewfull=1#post1038174
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1037606&viewfull=1#post1037606
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1039520&viewfull=1#post1039520
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1043731&viewfull=1#post1043731
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048579&viewfull=1#post1048579
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048596&viewfull=1#post1048596
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048296&viewfull=1#post1048296
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048309&viewfull=1#post1048309
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048854&viewfull=1#post1048854
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047805&viewfull=1#post1047805
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048230&viewfull=1#post1048230
September 3rd, 2011 Grows distributed Brain in multi locations & countries, lab 1, lab 2, lab 3, lab 4
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1044323&viewfull=1#post1044323
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1044326&viewfull=1#post1044326
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1032925&viewfull=1#post1032925
October 4th, 2011 Makes interesting discoveries, micro space zero g...
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1040949&viewfull=1#post1040949
October 4th, 2011 Completes many rocket launch complexes
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1040924&viewfull=1#post1040924
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1041516&viewfull=1#post1041516
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042650&viewfull=1#post1042650
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1043517&viewfull=1#post1043517
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1043518&viewfull=1#post1043518
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1043736&viewfull=1#post1043736
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1044319&viewfull=1#post1044319
October 6th, 2011 Launches tiny astronauts into space
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1041494&viewfull=1#post1041494
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1045284&viewfull=1#post1045284
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1045517&viewfull=1#post1045517
October 8th, 2011 Adds more equipment
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042044&viewfull=1#post1042044
October 8th, 2011 Adds on more Parallax sensors
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042050&viewfull=1#post1042050
October 10th, 2011 Develops rocket balloon capability
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042656&viewfull=1#post1042656
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042878&viewfull=1#post1042878
October 12th, 2011 Develops Hot Energy
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042889&viewfull=1#post1042889
October 12th, 2011 Develops Micro Space Transporter
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1042894&viewfull=1#post1042894
October 25th, 2011 Small projects come together making larger projects
77/1528, 1529, 1530, 1532, 1534, 78/1546, 1547, 80/1582, 82/1630
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=991077&viewfull=1#post991077
October 25th, 2011 Takes on the ULT Ultra Large Telescope
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054126&viewfull=1#post1054126
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1046325&viewfull=1#post1046325
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1046948&viewfull=1#post1046948
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047184&viewfull=1#post1047184
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047182&viewfull=1#post1047182
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049167&viewfull=1#post1049167
October 25th, 2011 Expands with Software Systems Design Program
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1046948&viewfull=1#post1046948
October 28th, 2011 Finds use for 3,200 controlling I/Os
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047179&viewfull=1#post1047179
October 28th, 2011 Begins its own Institute of Optics
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047241&viewfull=1#post1047241
October 31st, 2011 Expands Systems Design Program part 2, part 3, part 4, etc.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1047805&viewfull=1#post1047805
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048225&viewfull=1#post1048225
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048849&viewfull=1#post1048849
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049450&viewfull=1#post1049450
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049097&viewfull=1#post1049097
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049091&viewfull=1#post1049091
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049137&viewfull=1#post1049137
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1053655&viewfull=1#post1053655
November 2nd, 2011 Creates Adaptive Robotic Tethering
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048233&viewfull=1#post1048233
November 3rd, 2011 Becomes inventor, robot telescopes, MLT, Fisheye, Walking.., Waterdrop.., Chip.., etc.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1048634&viewfull=1#post1048634
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049086&viewfull=1#post1049086
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049451&viewfull=1#post1049451
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049091&viewfull=1#post1049091
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049097&viewfull=1#post1049097
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049056&viewfull=1#post1049056
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049001&viewfull=1#post1049001
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049059&viewfull=1#post1049059
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049453&viewfull=1#post1049453
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1050929&viewfull=1#post1050929
November 8th, 2011 Big Brain introduces intellectual surfing
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1049843&viewfull=1#post1049843
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1050023&viewfull=1#post1050023
November 9th, 2011 Steps up project multitasking
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1050003&viewfull=1#post1050003
November 18th, 2011 Big Brain accepts science proposals for ULT Ultra Large Telescope
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1052438&viewfull=1#post1052438
November 19th, 2011 Invents Robot Morphing
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1052721&viewfull=1#post1052721
November 24th, 2011 Initiates studies, i.e. inflatable robot technology design
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054084&viewfull=1#post1054084
November 26th, 2011 Big Brain went to the Parallax Forum to post and the thread was filled up and locked. There was a post from Ken Gracey saying the forum was not designed for a "thread" of its length, a final post could be presented and the project could be ported to another location to continue.
http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?124495-Fill-the-Big-Brain&p=1054561&viewfull=1#post1054561
This is only a brief history of time focussed on Big Brains' growth as it continues to expansively move beyond all its confining containments. Big Brain thanks Ken Gracey of Parallax for hosting its Parallax Propeller chip growth and activity during the first 14 months from 08-06-2010.
The Big Brain' path is one of continued growth, exploration of the Universe and dominion expansionism into the world and beyond - the future of where Big Brains' path will lead is going to be remarkable, shocking, stunning. For those who follow along, and join in, with an appreciation of science and a great spirit of brave exploration of, and into, the unknown, it will be an immensely rewarding and adventurous journey. Continue with us as one of the greatest science fact sagas unfold.
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"I view the Big Brain as a powerful mind with a large domain that it wants to control, organize, and bring together for some higher purpose. I am only the mediator, or moderator of the Big Brain, to help provide for its wants, desires and demands ... reaching a semi-cognizant state of being ... in a quest of scientific knowledge..." Humanoido
"The Big Brain Project is the most attractive Propeller project that Parallax has..." PJ Allen
"The project of Big Brain is amazing." NikosG
"To me it looks like the Borg or robots. Looks like many robots have been asimilated." sharperconcepts
"I'm really interested in how this project will turn out, keep it up humanoido!" jonlink0
"Your system is a homage to all the cool and magical things the propeller has to offer. May it have many offspring..." Gareth
"Please keep up the good work Humanoido. Thanks for sharing what you find, I am interested and enoy seeing it." prof_braino
"...good work! You succeed in AI research of yours. Thumbs up!" Dr. Mario
"...spin language is unique for this type of parallel processing microcontroller." Geir Anderson
"Please continue posting. This is very interesting." Whit
"I can't believe you did something like that. It definitely shows the awesome capabilities of the Propeller..." Zekk
"The Propeller is idealy suited to parallel processing applications. A wonderful example of that is the Big Brain Project, sponsored by Parallax and their star contributor, Humanoido." Sulla, SparkFun Electronics
" ...I find the idea of a massively parallel system intriguing." Duane Degn
"Personally I see a fantastic project..." Fritsl
"Photo in #277, Beautiful!" Duane Degn
"wow, this brain project is amazing!" Sovr
"...belated congratulations to Your 100,000th Neuron baby." Ttailspin
"I'm very impressed..." Zekk
"...a major project involving Parallax Propeller chips." Dangerous Prototypes
"That looks like a supercomputer." MetalmonkeeLad
"thanks for sharing your super brain on LMR." Gareth
"It's a very nice project." cde
"You’re working on the cutting edge." Mike G
"There's no telling what this creation of yours might someday evolve into." ElectricAye
"In term of costs and efforts in Humanoido's Big Brain project - I am impressed " Dr. Mario
"It's amazing what you did there -- so amazing..." AttorneyJon
"Humanoido, this level of detail has me wondering if you don't have a background in neuroanatomy." Paul
"You clearly have an enquiring mind." zoopydogsit
"It seems you have been underestimated." lardom
"Lots of good stuff in this thread Humanoido.." Ttailspin
"Humanoido appears to be more of the creative type... I think Humanoidio should be allowed to continue "his brand of progress" without my or others interference." Jazzed
"Thanks for posting that!" Beau Schwabe
"This super brain of humanoido shows what the propeller system is capable of. "period"" Gareth
"I'm constantly fascinated by the new things that come up in the computer/software world and the Propeller is a fine example of that." Heater
"Humanoido, Your documentation of this is amazing. I always learn something reading this thread." Whit
"Machine Intelligence is a better term than Artificial Intelligence..." Humanoido
"Someone here on the forum said they thought machine intelligence was a better term than artificial intelligence." Duane Degn
"you have a real nice project!" Dan Mathias - Owner/Engineer and ATOM-7xp humanoid creator
"Wow, impressive work Humanoido!" Mike G
"You keep up the great work...and Great spirits have often encountered violent opposition..." Ttailspin with Albert Einstein
"Humanoido is not one to give up, especially after all the research and work he's put into this project -- a true labor of love." Phil Pilgrim
"it's his creation that is doing the posting." Leon
"This is going to be the coolest telescope ever." Ttailspin "Yes it is! And, I for one, am looking forward to more about it! Thanks Humanoido for your contributions to this forum!" doggiedoc responding
"There are people who believe in the Big Brain and find your unique approach to have potential to lead to something much larger." Ken Gracey
"intrigue... that was the word I was looking for. Hard to imagine logging in and not see the "Fill the Big Brain" post way up near the top of the robotics forum." Ttailspin
"I beleive Dave Hein's Lerner program was inspired by Humanoido's work. That makes at least two of us. I hope Humanoido continues his work." Duane
"One thing is undeniable; this is one well-viewed thread at 21,500 hits. If Humanoido had gotten paid for each hit, he would be a rich man and he could ... have a fully-funded research lab." Erco
"I respectfully decline your suggestion to "stop looking at the Big Brain thread." Duane