Just How Fast Can a P1 Go?

AwesomeCronk

Seems to typically run at 80Mhz, but I’ve heard of it run at up to 96Mhz. Is that the limit? How might this adversely affect the circuitry inside?

kwinn

AwesomeCronk wrote: »

Seems to typically run at 80Mhz, but I’ve heard of it run at up to 96Mhz. Is that the limit? How might this adversely affect the circuitry inside?

AFAIK P1's can and have run at 96 and 100MHz reliably. I believe some people have had them running at even higher speeds, but I do not recall what speed or who did so.

Genetix

AwesomeCronk,

Parallax sells this faster crystal if you want to replace the usually 5 MHz found on most boards.
https://www.parallax.com/product/251-06250

5 MHz x 16 PLL = 80 MHz
6.25 MHz x 16 PLL = 100 MHz

You should be posting these Propeller related questions in the Propeller 1 forum.

Genetix

AwesomeCronk,

Here you go.
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/117476/maximum-clock-speed-for-the-propeller
http://forums.parallax.com/discussion/149239/maximum-reliable-clock-frequency
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/143703/propeller-clock-speed
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/102260/maximum-input-clock
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/131706/114mhz-propeller-1-0-55/p1
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/122680/7-3728mhz-crystal-wont-run-at-16x-but-would-a-faster-one-run-at-8x
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/117864/the-clock-clock-multiplier-and-crystals
... Chip chimes in on this post about the PLL for those who are interested.
https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/113808/the-6-250mhz-crystals-are-in-run-your-propeller-at-100mhz/p1

Mike Green

The P1 was originally spec'd for 80MHz over the full military temperature range (-55C to 125C). It has been used in products at 96MHz and also used at 100MHz. Page 32 of the Propeller Datasheet gives a graph of the highest operating frequency vs. temperature. Details of the test procedure and conditions are given there.

Cluso99

I nearly always use 104MHz on my boards. I have specifically designed them for that speed.

AwesomeCronk

104Mhz??!! Good grief! I’ve never gone beyond 80Mhz!

Cluso99

Sapieha was the master. He had my TriBlade running reliably for months? at 115MHz.
For some unknown reason, DIPs run a little faster than QFPs.

I have never found a problem at 108MHz but I never continued as 104MHz was fine.

AwesomeCronk

Cluso99 wrote: »

For some unknown reason, DIPs run a little faster than QFPs.

Maybe the pins being larger allows the power supply to be more reliable?

jmg

AwesomeCronk wrote: »

Cluso99 wrote: »

For some unknown reason, DIPs run a little faster than QFPs.

Maybe the pins being larger allows the power supply to be more reliable?

I'd expect it to have more to do with thermal resistance. The DIP is a much larger radiating surface, than a QFP.
P2 seems to benefit from the thermal pad and 4 layer PCBs - did anyone test the P1 QFN (now NRND) package on 4 layers for speed ?

altosack

I've used 7.3728 MHz crystals for ~118 MHz, which worked fine because all my cogs were in WAITCNT loops of one kind or another, and it only got slightly warm to the touch. At the time, 7.3728 MHz crystals were cheaper than 6.25 MHz crystals, which is what I usually use now. Unfortunately, I don't use enough of them to worry about the cost that much; maybe that will change with the P2 !

That was on project boards (TQFP).

AwesomeCronk

(Whistles in appreciation)
There are some crazy speeds to be attained by the p1!

Mark_T

98.304MHz works reliably for me with I2S applications - thats 16x a 6.144MHz crystal.