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Britishisms on the Rise

ercoerco Posts: 20,259
edited 2012-10-19 23:32 in General Discussion
I visit the Bri-ish PicAxe forum on occasion (some brill sussers there too) and commented that I get a kick out of their expressive colloquialisms:

It's a lovely "bit of kit"
Gobsmacked...(Gareth used at http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?141149-3-Stepper-Motor-amp-Board&p=1134402&viewfull=1#post1134402 and "brill" 11 posts prior)
Works a treat

One forum member just sent me this BBC story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249

It's a fun read, nothing too serious, so don't get your knickers in a twist, Mate!
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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-10-17 14:27
    What on earth do you mean by "Britishisms" as if it's some branch of English like American English or Australian English? That's just English guys speaking their own a language, English. They are free to define it how they like, after all they are English.

    It can get very confusing, for example if you say "I'm dying for a ***" in the states probably will get something other than a cigarette.

    And whilst we are here, what's with the American use of the word "gifted" as in "I gifted my Propeller chips to my friend" when we already have the word "gave" for that and "gifted" actually means something totally different. That and a thousand other examples.

    As George Burnard Shaw said ""two countries divided by a common language".

    Oh, and check this out:http://www.allthatwomenwant.com/amuk.htm


    Edit: Did you see what happened there?. The common English term for cigarette got bleeped out by the forum software. Can't imagine why.
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2012-10-17 14:38
    erco wrote: »
    I visit the Bri-ish PicAxe forum on occasion (some brill sussers there too) and commented that I get a kick out of their expressive colloquialisms:

    It's a lovely "bit of kit"
    Gobsmacked...(Gareth used at http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?141149-3-Stepper-Motor-amp-Board&p=1134402&viewfull=1#post1134402 and "brill" 11 posts prior)
    Works a treat

    One forum member just sent me this BBC story: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19929249

    It's a fun read, nothing too serious, so don't get your knickers in a twist, Mate!

    We don't say "susser", just as one wouldn't use "groker"! Actually a lot of people have picked up terms from the Hacker's Dictionary both sides of the pond I think.

    Now if only I could start a Stateside fad for pronouncing "herb", "solder" and "oregano" in the British (proper innit) way...
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-10-17 14:42
    Mark_T,

    Have you noticed that Americans cannot pronounce the word "mirror"?
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2012-10-17 14:51
    No, but I then found this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY6vITjLvWI
    I've also just remembered Brit. bodge v. Amer. kludge (or kluge). I think the British tendancy would be to spell kludge as cludge (but I think only the Brits use a hard 'd' anyway). Bodging is originally a woodworking term in fact. Bodging is more about quick messy prototype than a specific coding workaround I think.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-10-17 14:53
    It's only natural that those who speak any dialect of English think they own the language and that the colloquialisms of all other dialects are quaint. Of course, y'all realize that American English is the mos' scocious, most unified dialect in existence, with skookum evidence to back up the claim. Now I've got to get back to my sub ... er .. po' boy .. I mean ... grinder.

    -Phil
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-10-17 14:55
    We "yanks" have all kinds of issues:
    Colour
    Theatre
    The 8 th letter of the alphabet
    The last letter of the alphabet
    The game of tic tac toe
    The list goes on and on

    ...it's amazing we were able to survive our independence!!
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-10-17 14:57
    Hey, I've biked to Skookumchuck Narrows in BC. The traffic got all bollixed up.
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2012-10-17 17:22
    I think that the "Middle American" accent, but for some of its vowel levelling, is believed the least changed from the 18th Century.
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2012-10-17 18:29
    My boss is british, so I hear a lot of these fairly often.

    Took me awhile to figure out what a Zed-Ex-Eight-One was.

    When he first got here we would constantly tell each other to "speak proper english". As a joke of course...

    P.S. I love the way they say Aluminum too...

    Bean
  • Duane C. JohnsonDuane C. Johnson Posts: 955
    edited 2012-10-17 19:01
    My Wife's friend, British, was looking for "Rubbers".
    Shocked, we asked what?
    Then sussed she was looking for "Rubber Bands".
    We had a great laugh about that.

    Duane J
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-10-17 19:03
    Bean wrote: »
    Took me awhile to figure out what a Zed-Ex-Eight-One was.

    Bean

    So what is it?????
  • Duane C. JohnsonDuane C. Johnson Posts: 955
    edited 2012-10-17 19:08
    I have about 50 Zed-Ex-Eight-One's in my basement.

    (Don't ask?)

    Duane J
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-10-17 19:24
    (Don't ask?)

    Duane J

    Do tell!!!
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-10-17 19:29
    By Sir Clive the Cleverhearted himself?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-10-17 19:38
    It's only natural that those who speak any dialect of English think they own the language and that the colloquialisms of all other dialects are quaint.

    So true. There are only so many words and thoughts to go around, and everyone puts their own spin on it. Variety is the spice of life.

    When I travelled through Turkey many moons ago, I enjoyed chatting with the locals over chai (trying to sell carpets, naturally). On numerous occasions, we swapped jokes. I recognized many of their jokes as the familiar "Polish" jokes told here in the US, but instead of Polish, the joketellers substituted one of their own picked-on Turkish sub-groups.

    So there are also only so many jokes to go around.
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-10-17 19:40
    I've picked up on the pronunciation of "Zed" when referring to axes or programming variables.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-10-17 20:12
    Here are the results from an American dialect survey conducted a few years ago. One of the questions that stuck in my mind from back then was:
    99. Which of these terms do you prefer for the small road parallel to the highway?
    a. frontage road (29.14%)
    b. service road (30.46%)
    c. access road (17.79%)
    d. feeder road (1.97%)
    e. gateway (0.09%)
    f. we have them but I have no word for them (12.18%)
    g. I've never heard of this concept (4.24%)
    h. other (4.12%)

    Where I came from in the Midwest, we called that a "post road." I suppose it was because that's where the rural mailboxes were located, but I have no way of knowing for sure.

    -Phil
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-10-17 20:18
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2012-10-17 20:32
    Bean wrote: »
    P.S. I love the way they say Aluminum too...

    They spell it that way, too: aluminium.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-10-17 22:25
    Has anyone ever recovered any pudding from Yorkshire pudding?
    And why is everything so bloody?
    And why did a once-upon-a-time vast global empire with almost exclusive access to the richest spices in the world resist getting any of them on their food?
  • ajwardajward Posts: 1,130
    edited 2012-10-18 00:04
    Bean wrote: »
    P.S. I love the way they say Aluminum too...

    Bean

    My Mom, bless her heart, would cook in "loonyum" pans and occasionally put a quart of "awl" in the car! :-)

    @
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-10-18 01:28
    And why did a once-upon-a-time vast global empire with almost exclusive access to the richest spices in the world resist getting any of them on their food?

    Isn't bland the sixth taste, after Umami? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umami
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2012-10-18 03:50
    I watch eevblog a lot, and while Dave is Australian and not British, I find some of the things he says quite odd. Apparently they call LEDs leds. Here we say ell ee dee (speaking each letter), there they say lead (as in pencil lead). There are many more, but I've always wondered about this one. It's kind of like, you say tuh-may-toe, I say to-mah-toe, is this an American only thing, or is it just the way Australians say it?
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-10-18 04:29
    LEDs are leds, my bank card number is a pin, however an LCD is an L.C.D.

    ElectricAye,
    And why did a once-upon-a-time vast global empire with almost exclusive access to the richest spices in the world resist getting any of them on their food?

    What makes you think they didn't?

    Those empire builders did a good job of hauling spices back home. Remember those super fast clipper ships built to do just that? The Brits adopted a lot of food styles from China, India etc. You may notice now Blighty is covered in Chineese restaurants and curry houses. We love our hot spicy foods.

    BUT if you are suggesting we put chilli or heavy duty spices on a traditional roast beef and yorkshire pudding you are crazy. Good quality, fresh, food that is not murdered by the cook needs no spices.
  • macrobeakmacrobeak Posts: 354
    edited 2012-10-18 04:45
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX81 some of us cut our teeth on this!
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-10-18 04:53
    Heater. wrote: »
    What on earth do you mean by "Britishisms" as if it's some branch of English like American English or Australian English?

    Because it IS now, thanks to that empire thing.
    That's just English guys speaking their own a language, English. They are free to define it how they like, after all they are English.

    Any language it owned by the speaker. The only thing that matter is "the degree of communication" the use of the words conveys. The books, and all the dead people that USED to speak the language, have less influence than a large individual in front of me.

    This is why on the south side of Chicago, we are allowed (even required) to use the second person plural pronoun [youse] in normal conversation.

    As in "Youse guys are going to want to buy some protection".
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-10-18 05:18
    prof_braino,
    Because it IS now, thanks to that empire thing.
    Any language it owned by the speaker.
    Can't disagree with any of that really.

    Except for this minor detail. There is a country called England and the people living there are English and they speak a language also called English. By some sort of definition the "English" language is that spoken by the English. Anything else is something else.

    I guess I'm just a bit miffed by the growing realization that some where along the line England committed suicide. It basically does not exist any more.

    It was with the act of union of Scotland and England that both countries gave up their parliaments and a new parliament of the United Kingdom of Great Britain, or whatever it is technically, called was formed.

    It is possible that soon Scotland will have their independence and parliament back again. Scotland still "exists". However I don't see that when the "undoing" of the act of union occurs England will regain it's independence and parliament. It will still not exist.

    Take a look at an Englishman's passport. There is no mention of England in the whole document. The only country name actually appearing there is Ireland as in Northern Ireland.

    An English man has no English identity any more. Even the English language has been stolen from the poor old English.
  • MicksterMickster Posts: 2,721
    edited 2012-10-18 05:47
    Heater. wrote: »
    Mark_T,

    Have you noticed that Americans cannot pronounce the word "mirror"?

    And:

    Peripheral is periphreal
    Caramel is carmel
    I assume that it's because width ends in a "th" that they have heigth
    They don't go across the street, they go acrossed the street
    Drowned is drownded
    Burgled is burglarized
    You don't lend them something, you loan it
    "I could care less" is supposed to mean they don't care but is actually means that they DO care. We say "I couldn't care less"
    "The proof is in the pudding" is supposed to be "the proof of the pudding is in the eating"
    "I could've went but I didn't"
    GWB wanted to "kill the tourists" because he was worried about a "nukiller" attack

    And where the heck did "winningest" come from? :)

    Mickster
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-10-18 05:50
    Wait a second... How many languages to the British actually speak? There is Welsh, Scottish, English, even Irish. There are also Angloromani, Cornish, and Scottish Gaelic.

    And I am not even getting into dialects. It isn't as if every native Brit in the U.K. really understands one another.

    And if the English want to complain about others using English, they have only themselves to blame and they heavily promote English as the world's foremost language in world trade and the leading 2nd language in the world (used by 2 billion people).

    If you really want to speak and write acceptable English, use 'Mid-Atlantic English'.

    IMHO, all language tend to vary greatly with a distance of a mere 50 to 100 miles. Gobsmack that!
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2012-10-18 05:52
    PhiPi said
    Of course, y'all realize that American English is the mos' scocious, most unified dialect in existence, with skookum evidence to back up the claim.

    American dialect. English dialect. Australian dialect. Hmm, I think more people might speak this dialect http://www.engrish.com/
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