Dr. Jim in Sept/Oct issue of ROBOT Magazine
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Dr. Gouge's machine intelligence project to create a truly cognitive android that can think, ask questions, learn, and independently explore and respond to its environment has been featured again in the Sept/Oct issue of ROBOT Magazine. Pages of interest will be 10, 18, and 75 for reader responses, an educational section called LERN, and an independent review of the KISS Debugger by Steve Norris respectively. Pick up a copy of ROBOT at your local newstand to read all about it!
Thanks,
Mark Allred
Machine Intelligence Technologies
support@machineinteltech.com
Thanks,
Mark Allred
Machine Intelligence Technologies
support@machineinteltech.com
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Posting an extract here would guarantee you some interested readers, and also promote discussion of Dr Jim's efforts. Also, you might consider contributing to the discussion already occuring in the other thread you started about the KISS OS - these forums are not intended to be a one way communication channel for you to promote your own commercial interests.
Ross.
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Post Edited (RossH) : 7/21/2009 11:29:22 PM GMT
Also does this article have as many lies as the last?
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Myself, and several others keep asking reasonable questions - and not receiving any replies at all.
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By isolating yourselves from the Propeller community at large, communicating little more than commercial hype, you're relegating your nascient business to perpetual obscurity, if not certain failure. I want to believe that you and Jim have something useful to contribute; but, frankly your methods seem to rub this community the wrong way. What's needed is a significant cultural shift on your part, not ours, or you will lose us.
Thanks for listening,
-Phil
Rich H
Maybe he is depending on his android to answer the questions and he hasn't gotten it working yet.
To Dr. Jim: ether you are an extremely busy man with barely enough spare time to sleep, or you are so concieted and thought driven to yourself that you think you are too intelligent for the others on this forum and think of them as wasted to spend your valuble time answering there questions. If this is it then you have no right to use this forum to sell your overpriced and novelty products, that are only a fraction of the·worth of other contributors FREE software. No one but you sells software on this forum, it is all free. And to sell it with HARDWARE????
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We have customers from this forum which we value and wish to keep informed. This is the only reason we continue to post.
You have driven us away and ridiculed us since our very first post. That's ok. Stay in the dark ages. The rest will come where we are taking them and will be quantum leaps ahead of the rest of you.
You are far too quick to criticize something you do not understand and slow to contribute any constructive ideas for research.
Your type of criticizim has been around as long as recorded history and always aimed at those that are doing true innovative research.
We are a small group putting so much energy into true research and development that we do not have time to argue petty points that are based on incorrect assumptions. Your "discussions" are not going to further the research horizons.
If you have any respectful questions of substance, please submit them to our website and we will answer them as time permits.
We do not spend our time monitoring these conversations as do many of you. We have real work to do.
Many of you want something for nothing. Dr. Jim has invented this technology on his own over many years and it is indeed for sale, not for free. We are attempting to hold costs down as much as possible for the benefit of those who do not have a lot of money to invest in a project. Only this project will be a research platform, not a toy.
"Lies" only means you do not understand our approach. Your tone is disrespectful and will not be acknowledged.
Respectfully,
Dr. Jim
Mark Allred
if anyone thinks that they can create any kind of serious AI with a prop
and a few MBs of ram is either seriously delusional or snakeoil salesmen.
i suspect the latter. this is no better than your typical e-mail scam.
we all love the prop but we're not fools.
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No-one minds people advising others of products they have for sale via these forums - the key point is that the forums are not to be used JUST to advertise. If you're not willing to participate in discussion about your product - accepting suggestions, responding to questions, offering assistance, etc etc - then why bother? All you will do (as Mark continues to demonstrate) is antagonize the very people you are trying to sell your product to.
@Mark ...
You have been invited to contribute to technical discussions about your products many times in many threads, and have chosen not to do so. People are getting frustrated at your lack of respect for these forums and the people who contribute to them freely. Contributing doesn't mean offering your products for nothing - it means being willing to discuss your products and answer reasonable questions about them. If you believe you have something new to offer, be prepared to educate others on why they should use your products - instead of just making unsupported pronouncements about how wonderful they WILL BE when finished, and then expecting the world to flock to your door.
Until you are prepared to do so, I for one would rather you didn't post at all - although I do get an occasional chuckle from reading your posts.
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Ahhh, I think your full of it!
I look forward to eating my words when you can demonstrate your AI - on a Prop(s).
Rich H
What rubs me is they answer none of the technical questions asked, and in there article they lie about there bloated kiss debugger being the only one. I would like to see there independent reviewer review all the debuggers out there.
My money would be on viewport getting best review
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I promised to eat a Protoboard if someone could pass the Turing test with a Propeller. Needless to say, I'm still waiting.
I think Dr. Jim and Mark Allred are doing a great DISservice to people doing real research into AI. Every dollar, magazine article, and discussion that is wasted on them is taken from those that are doing real work. Sadly, the field of AI is littered with false promises and lies- it's very easy to promise something, hide one's products and cook up false demos. It's much harder to deliver product that solves real problems.
I'm glad to see members of this board continually asking for proof and pointing out the lies continually fed to us.
Moderator- please consider banning Dr. Jim and Mark from this forum. While these discussions are good drama, they take away from all that is good on this forum. Newcomers coming to this forum for the first time typically see people helping each other and members contributing to each other's projects- let's keep it that way. One way announcements of highly questionable products should not be tolerated.
Hanno
We want to understand. We just haven't been given any meat to digest. Moreover, the contributions from members of this forum speak for themselves, including a wealth of useful objects in the OBEX. We have nothing to be ashamed of.
We all have real work to do. Some of us make a living supporting the Propeller and other Parallax products. And the forum is our "ear to the ground" that keeps us from laboring in pointless isolation from our customers and their needs.
Your tone is not only presumptuous but condescending and pretty much sums up the attitude that gives the members of this forum so much trouble.
I've been patient, up to this point, and willing to provide you guys the benefit of the doubt. I'm not easily moved to anger. But, Mark, I'm afraid your last post has crossed the line and has laid bare the contempt that you and Jim hold for the Propeller community and, by extension, for your own customers. Any hope of reconciliation at this point has one foot in the grave and he other on a banana peel.
Good luck. You'll need it.
-Phil
Post Edited (Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)) : 7/22/2009 3:02:27 AM GMT
Ah. I get it. You're Moses and Dr. Jim is God. That clears up lots of things...
With all due respect, I think that this is getting out of hand. Look, if you want to see Dr Jim's thoughts, go to his 'corner' web site, and judge for yourself if there is any insight there. I have, I've decided.
If you think there is merit, discuss it!
If you think this is all smoke and mirrors, or snake-oil, or even just bad form, the WORST thing to do is to perpetuate a forum discussion on it. Let the thing fall below everyone's radar, and die an ignoble death due to lack of interest.
This reminds me of a cartoon where a hubby is staying up late working on the computer, telling his wife that he found that 'somebody is wrong on the internet' and he is honour bound to correct the poor soul. Please, let's stop wasting creative energy on this type of debate that really doesn't go very far, and never has. Remember how well language wars went?
Cheers!
Paul Rowntree
Post Edited (TreeLab) : 7/22/2009 3:22:15 AM GMT
A biological brain is a massive, dynamic switching network. One reasonable starting hypothesis is to use different frequencies as analogs for the various neural transmitter chemicals so that a switching network of processors, like a bank of Propeller chips, can act as a simple ganglionic node with actual synaptic connections. And here the word "synaptic" is used with its proper neurophysiological meaning.
In seeking the light, you may want to borrow flame from others lest you walk over a cliff.
Ned
Added: TreeLab is right.
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Post Edited (WNed) : 7/22/2009 4:25:10 PM GMT
I second a ban for abuse of the forum
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Post Edited (mctrivia) : 7/22/2009 3:43:44 AM GMT
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Post Edited (potatohead) : 7/22/2009 7:40:18 AM GMT
I am against a ban as well - however I must admit to not liking them ignoring any kind of technical questions.
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Anyone, who makes a claim to some idea, should be obliged to field questions about the nature of their claim. It is irritating when the answers just continue to promote the idea and do not address the question.
Hanno will not have to put a Proto Board through the blender that’s a safe bet.
Ron
Just some random observations:
1 - The good doctor has some interesting ideas on AI, IMO. Specifically (correct me if I'm wrong, there doesn't seem to be much clear explanation from the horse's mouth, as it were) using a type of Error Correcting Code as a hash / index / PCA / eigenvector for information streams (trying to use the terminology from the articles scanned into the OP's website, but I have a lousy memory [noparse][[/noparse]8^). I do think this is an interesting idea, though I'm not sure how it is better than traditional methods (for example if you would like, I have some C++ code for doing multi-dimensional clustering into hyper-discs...kind of a "Batch Neural Gas" with a smarter distance function, where the resulting clusters have a personality vector, and it's pretty darn fast to boot [noparse][[/noparse]8^).)
2 - If I were, hypothetically speaking, working on some high speed MMC/SD/SDHC access routines, and I was offering them for free with a MIT license good for commercial or personal use, and then somebody came along and offered to sell me and everyone on the forum a slower, bloated version of the same code, I _might_ be a little put out. Now I notice you aren't selling any single-license SD access routines (but it's never too late, right?), but there does seem to be a servo controller on your site. Oh, and a debugger. I think there's something called the OBEX, if only I could find the link...
3 - Maybe this is just me, but I find implementing new algorithms on the PC (where there _is_ excellent debugging support) is critical. Feel free to ignore me, but I would recommend getting it working on the PC, maybe publish a few papers and grab a few patents (I read your patent mentioned in the ROBOT article). If you need parallel processing, you can buy a GeForce 8600 for ~ $50, and use CUDA in a commodity PC for some serious power. Not to say this is the case, but from the lack of papers etc. I'm rather assuming that you are thinking along the lines of "Well, I can't get my ideas to work on a PC, maybe if I ported it to a new parallel architecture with limited debugging support and not HW MAD instructions it will work!"
4 - I found your "dark ages" post to be somewhat...hmmm...well, I won't go there. On average is hasn't worsened my opinion of you, read that as you may. I think my overall emotional response to your posts would be qualified as "amusement", so please don't stop on my account.
5 - There are some brilliant people on this forum. I would recommend trying to win them over to help you work on aspects of your project. This may not be an option now, of course, but hey, my lousy advice is free! Even if the final product is not useful to the majority of us peasants [noparse][[/noparse] [noparse][[/noparse]8^) ] who frequent these forums, I'm sure there will be some valuable tech/SW developed during the course of your project.
6 - "Your tone is disrespectful and will not be acknowledged." This is a masterful restatement of the principle most commonly found in the form "This page left intentionally blank." [noparse][[/noparse]8^)
OK, sorry for the bemused semi-rant. I'm off to go criticize stuff I don't understand.
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Piranha are people too.
Their careers seemed to take the same route Symbolics took as well.
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For me, the past is not over yet.
> points that are based on incorrect assumptions. Your "discussions" are not going to further the research horizons.
I'm ignorant! There are a *lot* of things outside of my horizont.
But when I stumble over something that is within my domain of interests I try to get some quick picture what that thing is and what the idea behind it actually is. But this needs some *explanation*. Not just buzzwords or a "you are to stupid to understand. Take that or forget it".
Your way of informing an audience with buzz-word-loaded hype will only attract people that will never understand anything about what you do.
Here, you find technically interested people. And you get them with some *facts* and not with blabla. As soon as you -at least- scetched the whys and hows you'll get a discussion.
Not this way!
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I got into Subsumption big time too!!! Rodney Brooks was/is my hero. I did my master thesis on subsumption kernel and ImageCraft was started to sell a subsumption OS. Sadly, his COG (the robot) never gains the intelligence...
Then there's Society of Mind. Not quite exactly what Minsky was saying though.
At least Roger Penrose I kinda understand - no quantum uncertainy in your wetware - no intelligence.
They were talking the difference between adult and children's brains on the newspaper (Stanford Research etc.) and I kept wondering how it can apply to AI
Bring it on, Dr. Jim!
What was wrong with Symbolics? They made superb systems for the time, and they were very successful. They eventually failed because conventional processors could run LISP code just as fast.
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OMG!!!! He is full of himself!!!
REAL work to do?!?!?!····· "...When we re Quantnum Leaps ahead of you"?!?!?!?!
How could someone even DARE to write that among such great forum contributors who have given so much help to this forum?!?!?!?!
@mictrivia: When I said "software" I ment Propeller programs. I have sold things on the forum before but it is justified with the fair amount of contribution I give the forum.
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