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  • ElectronegativityElectronegativity Posts: 311
    edited 2005-09-27 18:17
    Don't skimp on the non-Euclidian geometry either!

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  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2005-09-27 22:08
    Ok, more fun with number bases:

    To convert from a numer base back into base 10 (that we all know and love)- take the number base that you are in, we'll use base 2, or binary for this example- for each place that you have a digit, take the number base, and raise it to the power of the digit you are at, and multiply that number times the actual value in that digit (sounds confusing, but is really simple, you'll see)- sum all the numbers, and you are finished!

    For example:

    Take the binary number 1101011. Here we have 7 digits or places. For each place, we have a value, broken down like this:

    First digit: 2^0 = 1
    Second digit: 2^1 = 2
    3rd: 2^2 = 4
    4th : 2^3 = 8
    5th: 2^4 = 16
    6th: 2^5 = 32
    7th: 2^6 = 64

    (Remember that "2" was our base, so all we did was raise to the power of the place location)-now look at the original number,
    1101011. For each place we have a 1, we add the value of that place to the total. For each place we have a 0 we don't have to add anything:
    1101011 = 64 + 32 + 0 + 8 + 0 + 2 + 1
    1101011 = 107 (decimal)

    Now a base 8 example:

    467 (base 8) -> base 10?

    Since
    8^0 = 1
    8^1 = 8
    8^2 = 64

    Then we have 4 of the third place, 6 of the second place, and 7 of the first place, or:

    =(4 * 64) + (6 * 8) + (7 * 1)
    =256 + 48 + 7
    =311

    So 467 (octal) = 311 (decimal)


    Ryan

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-09-27 23:15
    Hey Ryan what·about·"Eight Byte Real Numbers"·?· Those are fun...smilewinkgrin.gif

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    EBRN = (Sign * Mantissa) * (16 ^ Exponent)

    Where:

    S = Sign
    E = Exponent
    M = Mantissa

    One Key to remember is that the Exponent is in excess-64 representation.turn.gif




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  • nick bernardnick bernard Posts: 329
    edited 2005-09-28 13:40
    is that a standardized format for a double, or float, or what?

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-09-28 14:24
    Nick,

    This is a standard used for GDSII files (Common·format used in many·IC layout·programs).
    It basically is 64-bit double precision representation.

    IEEE uses 11 bits for the exponent (excess 1023)·and 52 bits for the mantissa.

    GDSII uses 7 bits for the exponent (excess 64) and 56 bits for the mantissa.



    References:
    http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~timf/cse2102/ch3.pdf
    http://www.cnf.cornell.edu/cnf_spie9.html
    http://www.vectorsite.net/tsfloat.html#m4

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  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2005-09-28 15:00
    Hehe Beau, awesome!

    I was trying to take him with baby steps, walk before you fly - Since (I think) he was just heading into high school we could help build up his knowledge base so that when he builds an award winning product with Parallax parts it will be free advertising. [noparse];)[/noparse]

    Soon we'll have him drinking from a Klein bottle, and playing Gabriel's horn while strolling down M
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-09-28 15:34
    Jeffrey C.,

    Yes Ryan... perhaps my point I'm trying to make is between the lines. There are several "Ice bergs" in the field of
    wanting to be an "...electrical engineer of some sorts" and having an interest "...in robotics and high power microscopes".
    There are many many things to learn, but you can't let yourself get discouraged, I learn everyday. What you get out of
    school are building blocks, what you decide to build is entirely up to you.

    The thing is, electronics in school is very generalized, your question leans more specific but still very general. What is
    it about robotics that you like? Are there specific areas of interest? Same goes for high power microscopes... Do you
    want to look into space, or peer into the sub-micron world here on Earth? What makes you "jump" when you see
    something you've never seen before in a microscope? ... Or putting 2 and 2 together in a way that makes you feel a
    foot taller for a day? These are the types of things you should ask yourself.

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  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2005-09-28 17:39
    Beau, I prefer the term "Electron Artist" if you please. hehe

    Ryan

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  • Jeffrey C.Jeffrey C. Posts: 17
    edited 2005-09-28 19:37
    Well, I saw a LEAP microscope in action and that was awesome. I really .like to the atomic structure of things my own eyes can't see, it is very cool. Robotics? If I went that route, I would probably want to make robots for deep space/mars. I would love to see the first man/woman set foot on Mars, but to be apart of that...wow. It all seems above me in a way, maybe it's normal, I just do my best to prepare just ya said. Does parallax use SEM, all of that is amazing too. Geeze, that's it really.
  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2005-09-28 20:32
    Jeffrey,

    No matter what you go into, learn as much math as you can. If you are interested in learning more along the lines of my previous posts, let me know, I'd be happy to help you.

    Ryan

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  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2005-09-28 21:01
    A new BBC series, maybe it'll make its way to PBS before too long --

    "The Story of One" --

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4272538.stm
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-09-28 21:35
    Jeffrey C. said...
    It all seems above me in a way, maybe it's normal, I just do my best to prepare just ya said.
    Don't worry about this, even very experienced people have vast realms in which thier knowledge is basic at best. This goes with the territory, no matter how much you learn, there are always things which lay just beyond your grasp at the moment. It is a truism that every answered question produces·ten more questions. What is important about education isn't what you learn, but learning how to learn, because you will be spending the rest of your life doing just that, learning what you don't already know. That is why math is so important, it is·a tool to understanding other things.

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  • Jeffrey C.Jeffrey C. Posts: 17
    edited 2005-09-28 23:03
    Is that guy (story of 1) King Aurther in Monty Python and the Holy Grail? Anyways, thanks. I went to the library, and found a HTML book, but it is from 1996, has it changed? If so, do you know of a site I can get the necessary software for it?

    Yeah I would like to keep learning about the previous stuff. I will have to print it out and read it again, but it's pretty neat. Ok, here is a pretty simple question:

    There is a baby bull on one side of these tracks, and a mama and pappa bull, train comes through and scares the baby bull, which parent does it run to first. Tell WHY (this was annoying to make by the way...)

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    ^ ^ / / ^ ^
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    ()___/
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  • Jeffrey C.Jeffrey C. Posts: 17
    edited 2005-09-29 11:21
    Ah, it didn't turn up very well did it?

    ~Baby Bull~


    ////////////////// (train tracks)/////////////////////// Train Went through, which will the baby run to?

    Mama Bull? Papa Bull?
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2005-09-29 12:50
    Ahhh, must be the Papa Bull.... Cause there ain't no such thing as a Mama Bull...
    Had to think about it for awhile.
    Bean.

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-09-29 14:36
    What color is the train...smilewinkgrin.gif just kidding

    http://www.arlington.k12.va.us/schools/gunston/people/teams/elective/jenny/brain.html
    See #202

    Google:
    "Mama Bull" "Papa Bull" "Baby Bull" Train

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  • Jeffrey C.Jeffrey C. Posts: 17
    edited 2005-09-29 22:59
    They copied me!· mad.gif·· This one reminds me of pac man burger.gif hehe.
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2005-09-30 03:15
    This one is not a trick, it will make you think though.

    A man is floating in a boat in a pool. There is also a large stone in the boat.
    The man pushes the stone out of the boat and the stone sinks to the bottom of the pool.
    Does the water level in the pool go up, down or stay the same (as when the stone was in the boat).

    See if you can figure it out BEFORE you google it...

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    Post Edited (Bean (Hitt Consulting)) : 9/30/2005 3:15:39 AM GMT
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2005-09-30 03:30
    Does it depend on how big the boat is, displacement-wise?
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-09-30 03:30
    I know the answer, but I'll let others answer it. I first saw it on Mr. Wizard on Nickelodeon back in the early-mid 80's, though he posed it as: If you fill a glass with some ice cubes and water so that it is filled to the brim such that only the surface tension of the water prevents it from spilling (ie the height of the water is actually slightly above the level of the glass), the ice cubes protrude a fair amount above the surface of the water, when the ice melts will the glass overflow?

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    Post Edited (Paul Baker) : 9/30/2005 3:31:06 AM GMT
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,246
    edited 2005-09-30 03:32
    Bean - I say it depends on the size of the stone. The stone's displacement while in the boat is based on it's weight and the surface area of the boat. The heavier the stone the more water it displaces. When the stone is dropped overboard into the water; how much water it displaces is determined by the stone's volume. Therefore it depends on the density of the stone as to whether the water level goes up or down or stays the same.

    I think.

    Doc
  • nick bernardnick bernard Posts: 329
    edited 2005-12-27 20:29
    ~An Corp~

    drop the rock then the water stays the same.

    ice cubes are less dense than water, they float; hence the level drops.

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  • SN96SN96 Posts: 318
    edited 2005-12-27 20:35
    I say no because the ice cube's volume is larger when frozen so if it melts the volume will actually decrease. water expands when hot or cold. The surface tention will not be greater.

    Am I right? huh, huh ,huh?

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