If it can be done at all then someone will replicate it. People tried to replicate cold fusion all over the world, but couldn't. It's not like there's enough Nobel prize material out there for grabs already.
Don't care about any prize or monetary compensation.
This research needs to be global and open source
Look, even hydrogen boosters are commercially available today. There is an outfit in England who charge £495 to do this.
Emissions are cut by 80%. Why is this not mandatory????? Oh, that's right, the "side-effect" is a 20%+ fuel saving.
The attraction of surface ground steel blocks is perhaps a not well understood phenomena that one could have some fun playing with. It's "open source", it's global, you can do it.
A bunch of sharks selling magic emissions and fuel consumption reducers is totally another thing.
Yes, a hydrogen burning engine will have less toxic emissions. Where does that hydrogen come from? That needs energy to create.
Do you have a link to such an outfit?
The hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I read a paragraph that starts with "Look...". Often it is followed by some very dodgy claims.
Now, how does that magnetic pulse from the car battery circuit make it so easy to do what Prof. Moriarty is having so much trouble with there?
I suspect the moment at 5:05 into Prof. Moriarty video is a clue.
The Van der Waals force is all about the orientation of those little electric dipoles formed when atoms have a lopsided distribution of their protons and electrons. To observe the effect they all have to line up the same way over the whole surface.
I can imagine that the magnetic field pulse from the car battery circuit does just that.
I would like to see some make all of these Stan Meyer, Boyce gadgets etc. And post your successful results on here. I know I won't be reading any success stories anytime soon or ever.
In terms of energy, you do realise solar PV panels, or even thermal panels, do a great job of harvesting excess radiation, right? And there is the heat pumps too. These are all great ideas brought to fruition.
Of course, with a PV panel for example, the rate of absorption is not practical for continuously powering a car. And that's a serious amount of solar radiation hitting the planets surface! I'd hate to imagine how to scale an even more powerful distribution up from constructing transmitters and powering them! The transmitters still have to produce all that radiation.
So, while no money could, in theory, be charged to the consumer, there is no way the transmitters have no energy requirements. And there is energy losses in every step/conversion along the chain.
If you review my posts, you will see that I repeatedly stated that the intended topic was the ”strange phenomenon” of the steel bars.
It was others who decided to take me to task over the hydrogen issue.
In that case the problem is that it does not look that way from your opening post here.
Your OP contains a big picture containing "uni-pole magnetons", a link to a four hour long video of junk science and the statement that you are "obsessed with the work of Stanley Meyer (produced 1,750L of "combustible gas", NOT simply hydrogen) from 1L of water!!!!"
The issue of the ”strange phenomenon” of the steel bars gets mentioned in passing.
Did anyone else but me bother to watch the vid as far as the "steel bars" part?
I have to admit that the steel bars thing is an interesting demo. Looks like the kind of experiment we might have done in school. I think Phil has hit the nail on the head with the Van der Waals force explanation. As Prof. Moriarty points out this phenomena has been under study for a 100 years or more.
But why exactly that magnetic field pulse achieves what is generally hard to do manually is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
It would be great if someone made a short video about just that little trick and compared it with the gauge block wringing effect. Perhaps that someone could be you?
I would like to see some make all of these Stan Meyer, Boyce gadgets etc. And post your successful results on here. I know I won't be reading any success stories anytime soon or ever.
I think in the case under discussion one is likely to have success. Two flat steel surfaces can in fact be made to stick even when not magnetized (See above) Of course many will have failed with this because Meyer carefully omits to mention that the trick depends on the steel surfaces being extremely flat and scrupulously clean. Of course if Meyer or others are using that demo in support of some crackpot ideas about uni-pole magnetons, over unity machines and the like I stop listening.
Yes indeed, you did say at the end of the post "Long story but check out this phenomenon (steel bars and car battery) at 11:00."
But do have a look at that post again, as if it was not you that wrote it, it's a link to a four hour junk science video, it has a big picture of junk science from the video, it talks about Stanley Meyer.
Do forgive myself and others for coming away with the wrong impression from all that.
So, who was it doing the Gauge Block Wringing thing with car battery demonstration?
Stanley Meyer was a fraud. Please don't pollute the place with that.
Yes indeed, you did say at the end of the post "Long story but check out this phenomenon (steel bars and car battery) at 11:00."
But do have a look at that post again, as if it was not you that wrote it, it's a link to a four hour junk science video, it has a big picture of junk science from the video, it talks about Stanley Meyer.
Do forgive myself and others for coming away with the wrong impression from all that.
So, who was it doing the Gauge Block Wringing thing with car battery demonstration?
Stanley Meyer was a fraud. Please don't pollute the place with that.
If I'd known that I would receive this amount of flak, I would've downloaded and edited the video and provided a link to my Dropbox.
No idea who made it.
I apologise to anyone who was offended by my taking an interest in reducing "polution”.
If I had intended this to be about Meyer, it would have been entitled ”Resonant Electrolysis Cell”
Although I hesitate to bring up the dreaded video in my OP; there's an illustration of a soup can that I believe was initially electromagnetically attracted to a steel bar and remained there when the electromagnet was de-energized.
Steel retains its magnetic "charge" after the inducing field is removed. Soft iron does not. The electromagnetic pick-up you see at the ends of junkyard cranes is made of soft iron. If it were made of steel, the things it picks up could not be dropped.
Uh, no. The magnetic field lines would be oriented wrong. They have to be perpendicular to the seam, not parallel to it.
I was wondering about the field orientation.
We can always orient the gauge blocks so that the field through the center of the coil is perpendicular to the plane of contact of the blocks.
The case in the video is a bit odd. The wire runs between the blocks. So the field that surrounds it must be perpendicular to the contact surface but in opposite directions on each side. Does that matter? I doubt it.
I think the key here is that the two gauge blocks have to be really clean to start with. Sliding them together will displace any grease and small particulates. But that advantage is lost when slamming them together with a magnetic field.
Just groping in the dark here. Taking that video at face value and that this "stick" does happen in response to the magnetic field pulse. Also assuming the Van der Waals force is responsible for the "stick", then...
The Van der Waals force only works at very short range. Hence the need for really flat surfaces. And clean as you say.
But what if your surface is not so flat, bumby enough that Van der Waals force isn't going to take effect just by placing them together?
Then, I imagine, slamming the surfaces together hard might squish the bumps down enough for Van der Waals force to take hold. Such slamming could be done mechanically, or by using a magnetic field pulse.
Then, I wonder, what is going on with the eddy currents induced in the blocks during that magnetic field pulse? They might help out by lining things up nicely.
The attraction of surface ground steel blocks is perhaps a not well understood phenomena...
See my comment above.
-Phil
Hello!
And I agree with the gentleman being chased by his rainy day problems. Besides the same force is why geckos are also excellent insurance sales people. (And bad advertising specialists.)
Now can we finish this off and move back to discussing other things? Before the regular moderators respond with something they borrowed from Garfield?
Comments
-Phil
Back in the day when I was surface grinding things it never occured to me to check if I could do the wringing thing with them.
Don't care about any prize or monetary compensation.
This research needs to be global and open source
Look, even hydrogen boosters are commercially available today. There is an outfit in England who charge £495 to do this.
Emissions are cut by 80%. Why is this not mandatory????? Oh, that's right, the "side-effect" is a 20%+ fuel saving.
The attraction of surface ground steel blocks is perhaps a not well understood phenomena that one could have some fun playing with. It's "open source", it's global, you can do it.
A bunch of sharks selling magic emissions and fuel consumption reducers is totally another thing.
Yes, a hydrogen burning engine will have less toxic emissions. Where does that hydrogen come from? That needs energy to create.
Do you have a link to such an outfit?
The hairs on the back of my neck stand up when I read a paragraph that starts with "Look...". Often it is followed by some very dodgy claims.
-Phil
But here we are:
Now, how does that magnetic pulse from the car battery circuit make it so easy to do what Prof. Moriarty is having so much trouble with there?
The Van der Waals force is all about the orientation of those little electric dipoles formed when atoms have a lopsided distribution of their protons and electrons. To observe the effect they all have to line up the same way over the whole surface.
I can imagine that the magnetic field pulse from the car battery circuit does just that.
https://www.asa.org.uk/rulings/cgon-ltd-a17-386763.html
-Phil
Phil,
If you review my posts, you will see that I repeatedly stated that the intended topic was the ”strange phenomenon” of the steel bars.
It was others who decided to take me to task over the hydrogen issue.
-Phil
This one is money I presume?
In terms of energy, you do realise solar PV panels, or even thermal panels, do a great job of harvesting excess radiation, right? And there is the heat pumps too. These are all great ideas brought to fruition.
Of course, with a PV panel for example, the rate of absorption is not practical for continuously powering a car. And that's a serious amount of solar radiation hitting the planets surface! I'd hate to imagine how to scale an even more powerful distribution up from constructing transmitters and powering them! The transmitters still have to produce all that radiation.
So, while no money could, in theory, be charged to the consumer, there is no way the transmitters have no energy requirements. And there is energy losses in every step/conversion along the chain.
Your OP contains a big picture containing "uni-pole magnetons", a link to a four hour long video of junk science and the statement that you are "obsessed with the work of Stanley Meyer (produced 1,750L of "combustible gas", NOT simply hydrogen) from 1L of water!!!!"
The issue of the ”strange phenomenon” of the steel bars gets mentioned in passing.
Did anyone else but me bother to watch the vid as far as the "steel bars" part?
I have to admit that the steel bars thing is an interesting demo. Looks like the kind of experiment we might have done in school. I think Phil has hit the nail on the head with the Van der Waals force explanation. As Prof. Moriarty points out this phenomena has been under study for a 100 years or more.
But why exactly that magnetic field pulse achieves what is generally hard to do manually is still a bit of a puzzle to me.
It would be great if someone made a short video about just that little trick and compared it with the gauge block wringing effect. Perhaps that someone could be you?
2) The mention of Stanley Meyer was merely a BTW of how I came across the video.
3) The bars have NOTHING to do with Stanley Meyer. The creator of the video is NOT Stanley Meyer, it's some guy attempting to understand Meyer.
Here is one of many, following up this research.
Yes indeed, you did say at the end of the post "Long story but check out this phenomenon (steel bars and car battery) at 11:00."
But do have a look at that post again, as if it was not you that wrote it, it's a link to a four hour junk science video, it has a big picture of junk science from the video, it talks about Stanley Meyer.
Do forgive myself and others for coming away with the wrong impression from all that.
So, who was it doing the Gauge Block Wringing thing with car battery demonstration?
Stanley Meyer was a fraud. Please don't pollute the place with that.
If I'd known that I would receive this amount of flak, I would've downloaded and edited the video and provided a link to my Dropbox.
No idea who made it.
I apologise to anyone who was offended by my taking an interest in reducing "polution”.
If I had intended this to be about Meyer, it would have been entitled ”Resonant Electrolysis Cell”
Currently it looks like a demonstration of Gauge Block Wringing, which is best explained by the Van der Waals force as Phil points out.
But it is done using a magnetic field pulse rather than the usual manual manipulation. Which seems to be novel.
I reckon that this should be reproducible using actual gauge blocks with a coil around them.
If I had any gauge blocks around here I would be trying it already. It would be a neat demo.
So thanks for the heads up on that.
If so, I can envision a zero energy retainer (lock/latch) with no moving parts.
-Phil
-Phil
We can always orient the gauge blocks so that the field through the center of the coil is perpendicular to the plane of contact of the blocks.
The case in the video is a bit odd. The wire runs between the blocks. So the field that surrounds it must be perpendicular to the contact surface but in opposite directions on each side. Does that matter? I doubt it.
-Phil
Now, who's got some gauge blocks to play with?
-Phil
The Van der Waals force only works at very short range. Hence the need for really flat surfaces. And clean as you say.
But what if your surface is not so flat, bumby enough that Van der Waals force isn't going to take effect just by placing them together?
Then, I imagine, slamming the surfaces together hard might squish the bumps down enough for Van der Waals force to take hold. Such slamming could be done mechanically, or by using a magnetic field pulse.
Then, I wonder, what is going on with the eddy currents induced in the blocks during that magnetic field pulse? They might help out by lining things up nicely.
This calls for an experiment...
Hello!
And I agree with the gentleman being chased by his rainy day problems. Besides the same force is why geckos are also excellent insurance sales people. (And bad advertising specialists.)
Now can we finish this off and move back to discussing other things? Before the regular moderators respond with something they borrowed from Garfield?