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Hack-a-Bot

ercoerco Posts: 20,256
in Robotics
This is a spinoff of my "Fi-dolla" line follower thread to detail how I'm hacking the D2-6 big brother of the cheap line follower into a cheap autonomous bot. This thread a bit premature since I just started today, but timely since it's on sale for a few more days at http://www.icstation.com/bluetooth-remote-control-smart-suite-tracking-kits-p-10171.html for $11.19.

It's still an everyday value at Banggood for $11.91: https://www.banggood.com/D2-6-DIY-51-MCU-Smart-Car-Kit-Bluetooth-Remote-Control-Gravity-Sensing-Tracing-Obstacle-Avoidance-p-1108390.html

IMO this may be a contender for the cheap merit badge robot we have discussed elsewhere. The stock robot has line following, obstacle detection and Bluetooth/smartphone remote control modes. The kit's 18-pin STC15W201S micro is easily replaced by your favorite processor since header pins are provided on the PCB chassis. There is a bit of SMT soldering on the stock kit. I'm no pro but I did a decent job and it all works. I'm adding a beeper and an IR remote receiver.

Attaching some pics. I'll add detail as the project progresses.

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  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    All lovely, but can you do it for tree fiddy?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2017-04-26 20:15
    GordonMcComb wrote: »
    All lovely, but can you do it for tree fiddy?

    I do love a good challenge.

    Speaking of which, the most challenging thing about this stock D2-6 Bluetooth kit is figuring it out. There is ZERO information on it. Zip, zilch, nada. No videos, no reviews, no mention, only that it's for sale from Banggood, IC Station, AliExpress, and a dozen Ebay sellers.

    There's no Bluetooth app on Google Play, no obvious links on any seller's page, nothing outwardly helpful. Quite the opposite, in fact. Check out these discouraging words from Banggood's site!

    Note:

    The microcontrollers in the kit are pre-programmed, and you only need to install them to work. If you need to learn microcontroller programming or re-download the program, please use your own downloader, we do not provide tutorials.
    It is assumed that users have soldering skills and troubleshooting skills to assemble this kit. Buyers are advised that due to skills of user is involved in assembly it is not guaranteed every kit will end up being a working device. But we will make as much efforts as we can to approach that goal.
    Instructions: Click to open

    !!!

    Turns out, those easily-overlooked, same color words "Instructions: Click to open" are a link to some zipped files, which includes English instructions the Bluetooth app, which must then be sideloaded onto an Android phone/tablet (I guess there's no iPhone app).

    http://files.banggood.com/2016/11/SKU503908.zip

    There are no operational instructions in English, only one short user comment on Banggood's page mentioned "long button press" to change modes, which works.

    And the app actually works quite well, letting you drive the robot (excuse me, "tracking smart car" in Chinese parlance) using finger sliders OR by tilting your phone. I'll make a video soon.

    The plot thickens: the app has DAGU on the control screen, four buttons D,A,G,U. Screen shot from Chinese-only instructions attached. I contacted your (Gordon's) buddy Russell Cameron (DAGU's head designer until recently) for more info, and he knew nothing about it !

    It just baffles me that such a cute little kit has been around for a long time but no one knows about it. erco's gonna be (nearly) the first guy in the pool. I've got 3 kits now, I'm prepared to rule the world!

    In a related story, Banggood is currently out of stock on this kit. Two of mine came from Banggood. Did I hoard them all? :)

    Get 'em while they're hot! I paid $11.91 for mine, you can out-erco me (buy it for less) from IC station if you hurry.

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  • KeithEKeithE Posts: 957
    There is an english version of that png that you attached in the pdf. However it's not obvious where the D.A.G.U. nomenclature comes from. They are an exercise left for the student in more ways than one.
    Note: the program supports up and down around the control car, D, A, G, U, key is not developed. Students can develop their own design.
    In addition to support the gravity sensing control car forward, backward, turn left, turn right.
    There are a lot of Gravity sensor datas, interested students can test their own! (we have no instructions for it.)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    I just had a Chinese friend look at it, the English & Chinese versions are pretty similar in content.

    He says the Death Star-looking button right of DAGU is marked "balance". Possibly a L/R adjustment for straight running (if implemented) but wouldn't it be great if instead, the robot suddenly jumped up on two wheels to balance perfectly? :)
  • KeithEKeithE Posts: 957
    I had a native speaker look at it too, and then I downloaded and looked at the English pdf ;-)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    KeithE wrote: »
    I had a native speaker look at it too, and then I downloaded and looked at the English pdf ;-)

    Sounds like I got one on the line here, hook, line and sinker! :):):)

  • KeithEKeithE Posts: 957
    Oh no - I didn't buy one. I'm learning Mandarin and the DAGU mystery caught my eye.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    Russell Cameron (OddBot from the old LMR) is no longer with DAGU, but maybe he still knows some of the folks there, who could provide more info (and avoid your installing unknown Chinese apps on your tablet). I don't see his email on his personal Web site, but if you're interested in going down that road, email me and I'll provide his contact info.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2017-04-27 17:39
    @Gordon: Yup, I heard that Russell had left through robotrebels.org. I PM'ed him about it last week through there and he replied that he didn't recognize this car. He said some intern did a Bluetooth project, which may have been where the "Magic Car" app came from.

    @KeithE: I haven't given up on you yet! You can practice your Mandarin by translating the attached schematic & BOM that come with the kit. Not sure why Banggood doesn't just post this instead of their poor excuse for a scan. Another mystery!


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  • KeithEKeithE Posts: 957
    erco - that's a little over my level. There are funny internet abbreviations like 3Q for thank you, and I was curious if it was something like that. (3Q = 三Q which is pronounced "san q" which sounds sort of like thank you.)

    You can try google translate on a smartphone and point the camera at it. I wish that they would let you see the pinyin and English interpretation simultaneously.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    KeithE wrote: »
    3Q = 三Q which is pronounced "san q" which sounds sort of like thank you.

    The mystery deepens: 'san' is Japanese (not Chinese) for 3, as in 3Q. What's going on here?

  • KeithEKeithE Posts: 957
    erco wrote: »
    KeithE wrote: »
    3Q = 三Q which is pronounced "san q" which sounds sort of like thank you.
    The mystery deepens: 'san' is Japanese (not Chinese) for 3, as in 3Q. What's going on here?
    Erco - san is spoken Mandarin Chinese for sure. I don't know where the pronounciation originally came from, but written Japanese borrowed a lot of the written characters.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/三Q#Chinese
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    First mod was replacing the motor series resistors with diodes for snappier response.

  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    erco wrote: »
    The mystery deepens: 'san' is Japanese (not Chinese) for 3, as in 3Q. What's going on here?
    Loan words - up to 30% of contemporary Japanese words came from Chinese (even though the languages are totally different).


  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2017-04-29 00:00
    Loan words work sometimes. Mattel sent four of us to live in Tokyo (Roppongi) for 9 weeks long ago. I learned some passable tourist Japanese from my Barron's phrase book, or so I thought. Our translator was shocked when I asked for the toilet one day, using the word "benjo", which greatly offended her. Apparently it means "crapper" or worse. I showed her my book, but she insisted that I never use "benjo", and that instead I should use "toy-ray", an English loan word for "toilet". The very same day we attended a street fair, and when I tried asking for a "toy-ray", no one had any idea what I meant. When I finally got desperate and asked for a benjo, everyone immediately knew what I meant and no one was offended. :)

    http://www.livinglanguage.com/community/discussion/240/how-to-say-bathroom-in-japanese
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2017-05-02 01:52
    First maneuver had to be a figure 8!

    Edit: I better tone down that blue power LED, it's killing the video. Equally blinding in person, it makes it darned hard to find the nearby tiny power switch.

  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Attaching uC socket pinouts for any other would-be D2-6 hackers out there.
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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2017-05-18 15:49
    $10.91 now from our friends at IC Station.

    http://www.icstation.com/bluetooth-remote-control-smart-suite-tracking-kits-p-10171.html
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Full demo of stock kit's three modes.

  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Faster line following:



    And Bluetooth comms:

  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Found another free general-purpose Android Bluetooth app on Google Play. Not customizable, but simple to use and ready to go, no configuration required. Thirteen buttons total, your software will decode the fixed values sent.

  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2017-06-17 01:53
    Are all these apps sending ASCII characters?

    I do a lot of Bluetooth stuff with the Propeller and Android. I started out using ASCII characters but ASCII is relatively slow. As I'm sure you know, to send 100 in ASCII requires at least three bytes (four if you use a delimiter). I switched to raw data protocol which requires a header and checksum. This ends up being much faster and you can also be sure you received good data.

    I don't know how to make my apps look "pretty" yet. I'm shooting for functional first.

    Here's an example:

    Main_530x.png?v=1494473657

    What is kind of cool is the dial can automatically be scaled based on the value of a few variables read from the Propeller.

    If you can't find an app which does everything you want it to do, let me know what you want and I'll try to come up with something.

    Do any of these apps have proportional control? I imagine the tilt sensor could be used for proportional control but IMO, you'd also want sliders and joysticks.

    Edit: The dial pointer is updated by continuously reading a register from the Propeller. The scale on the dial is created by reading a "full scale" register from the Propeller. The dial's appearance can be customized by the user. I'll try to make a video of the app in action in the next few days.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    WOW, your app looks pretty pretty to me Boss!

    Yes, the apps I'm using are just sending Ascii characters. I've been writing an "intro to Bluetooth" in SERVO and was looking for premade, readily available Bluetooth apps. Looks like you've been busy doing all sorts of cool stuff. What flowrate are you measuing in SCFM?
  • tritoniumtritonium Posts: 543
    @Duane Degn

    That app looks great to me!

    How do you write the program for your app?-
    what language (or app) do you use?
    is it expensive?

    Dave
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2017-06-17 19:30
    erco wrote: »
    Yes, the apps I'm using are just sending Ascii characters. I've been writing an "intro to Bluetooth" in SERVO and was looking for premade, readily available Bluetooth apps.

    An ASCII based protocol is definitely easier to use. Being able to use control characters and delimiters makes the signal easier to parse.
    erco wrote: »
    What flowrate are you measuing in SCFM?

    The meter is used to measure flow of gasses. I use a blower I rigged up to blow air through the meter but guy I work for/with calibrates the meter for gasses like propane.
    tritonium wrote: »
    How do you write the program for your app?-
    what language (or app) do you use?
    is it expensive?

    I started out using App Inventor 2 (AI2) which is a lot of Blocky. Here's a link to video I made about AI2.

    AI2 is great for small programs but the blocks become unreasonable to search and the way they can be accidentally rearranged is terrifying when the program becomes large.

    Because AI2 uses a remote computer, it's not uncommon to lose work due to bad internet connections or if something goes wrong at the MIT computer. I thought AI2 was easy to use but maddening when the program became large.

    I now use Android Studio to develop apps. Android Studio uses Java which is a lot like C to me.

    Even though AI2 is so limited, I still think it's not a bad place to start since it's so easy to use.

    Both Android Studio and App Inventor 2 are free.

    What's cool about Android apps is you can email the apk file to yourself or someone else and the app can be installed by selecting the app from withing the email.


    Thanks for the kind words about how the app looks guys.
  • tritoniumtritonium Posts: 543
    @Duane Degn

    That's great information thanks.

    Dave
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Excellent info, Duane. I just downloaded AI2 yesterday.

    You're my Iowa app guy from now on. My Iowapp.
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