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100 percent Magnetically Powered Motor (NOT)

MikeDYurMikeDYur Posts: 2,176
edited 2017-02-13 15:52 in General Discussion
WARNING: IT IS THE CONCLUSION FROM THE SCIENTIFIC COMMUNITY THAT POWER FROM A MAGNETIC MOTOR CAN NOT BE ACHIVED.

This guy sure is proud of his invention, and he does have a patent.

I'm still trying to figure out the dynamics of the motor, did I hear him say those are servos on the end's of the machine.

It is quiet for what it is, though it wouldn't work on a motorcycle, or would it?

Could it be free power?


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  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2017-02-09 03:41
    It's a magnetic torque converter. I'm guessing someone ripped the video and reworked the title to get views.

    https://www.google.com/patents/US8487484

    "The present invention relates to mechanical drives that convert input forces or torques (applied at a drive input) to output forces or torques (delivered at a drive output). More particularly, the invention concerns reciprocating drive systems that perform force or torque conversion by way of magnetic field interactions between permanent magnets."
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2017-02-09 08:17
    MikeDYur,
    Could it be free power?
    No. See the last few hundred years of Physics.

    These perpetual motion/free energy/over unity stories keep sprouting like weeds.

    Often I can't tell if the people making these claims are misguided, insane or just having a joke.
  • As a "proof" of principle, why did he have to make it so big? There must be tons of steel in that thing!

    -Phil
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    As a "proof" of principle, why did he have to make it so big? There must be tons of steel in that thing!

    -Phil

    My guess, without having even looked at the link, is because it's out of a diesel-electric locomotive.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    You gota love these mad inventors. They at least get people thinking.

    Looking at the YouTube comments there I see that sometimes those that refute the "free energy" idea don't know much better. For example I see the blanket claim that "You can't get energy out of a magnet".

    Hmm...of course you can get energy out of a magnet. We do it all the time. Perhaps the simplest magnet we can think of is an inductor. To make it into a magnet we have to push current through it. That is, we have to push energy in and it builds a magnetic field around itself. The magnetic field stores energy. We can get that energy out again by stopping pushing current and connecting the inductor to a load.

    Which of course is what switch mode power supplies do 100 thousand times a second or so.

    As for normal magnets. If you want to magnetise a lump of ferrite you are going to have to put energy in to build it's magnetic field. Heat the thing past it's Curie temperature and the field will collapse. The fields energy must come out again, probably as heat.

    Far away from being free energy of course.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Okay I'm looking ....

    Lol, there is two brushless servo motors on there! One at each end poking straight up. You can see the dual power and feedback cables on each motor. You can even hear the whistle of the motor windings at the switching frequency.

    They'll be torque limited so he can stop them with his hands and later on a speed control setting is used.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    He's certainly not the builder of the crank system either. It'll just be some discarded part of a larger machine that they've hacked a couple of motors on to and using a servo controller to play games with it.
  • This is clean, renewable energy.

    All he needs to do is hire a DC lobbying firm to get Congress to subsidize it and this could become a major industry.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Here's the servo power delivery equipment they've used - http://www.kollmorgen.com/en-us/products/
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    I'll guess the two drives are AKD BASIC units running in tandem from that central encoder. They were probably picked up second-hand on the cheap also.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Hehe, 1.65 Watts he says ... while reading an Amp meter ... which is metering the incoming mains supply ... so that's 115? volts x 1.65 A = 189.75 Watts.

    Of course that's the power being consumed, not generated!
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    It is fascinating to see, that people still believe, from a finite system there can be a infinite stream. Stupidity is only infinite, because it is the complement of discretion. And oo - 1 == oo. And so stupidity only exists in imagination. For those who understand: companies like Intel, according to the CEO, export 80% of the produced value across the borders. And if all companies do like this, in the end, nothing but stupidity will remain.
  • MikeDYurMikeDYur Posts: 2,176
    edited 2017-02-09 14:10
    I should have posted this in the thread "There Is No Electromagnetic Free Lunch"

    What xanadu pointed out, it is a torque converter, what comes out of the machine is more or less torque than what went into it.
    It is beyond me why someone would go to that much time and expense to create a machine, that somebody will eventually scavenge for parts.

    It is that big a deal to have popular Utube content. If there is a patent on this, there must be some merit to the idea as a torque converter.

    I've got a mind to leave a comment, to help put the question in people's minds that maybe they are being mislead.
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    A torque converter is very common. It is called a gear box. Or in electricity: a (voltage) transformer. As a child, when I didn't grasp the concept of energy I believed it is possible to transform small voltages up and drive high voltage motors. So a magnet based gearbox has some advantages: no wear, no lubrication, nearly no losses, no overload, if designed properly and appropriate, soft response dampens yerk, ... The disadvantage: low energy density, high cost, ... Like always: pros and cons. Simple solutions don't exist. But sometimes only more complicate solutions are know.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    ErNa,
    ...companies like Intel, according to the CEO, export 80% of the produced value across the borders.
    Do you have a link to such a CEO statement? I'd love to know what they actually meant by it.
  • Heater. wrote: »
    Do you have a link to such a CEO statement? I'd love to know what they actually meant by it.

    That was after the CEO took his cut.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Well, Intel has always made a lot of stuff in the USA: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sites

    So no change there much.

    My question was about the "...export 80% of the produced value across the borders." thing.

    I always thought Intel exported microprocessors. They get the best price they can. I did not understand what that thing about "produced value" was.

    Anyone like to explain?
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    I wanted to say: if you produce a good and 80% of your production goes to export, you certainly want to be payed. And you want to be payed in your own currency. But how can your customer pay you, if he doesn't own your money? Intels business certainly can not be a blue print for all!
  • Here's an electric motor that doesn't use magnetism at all - not even electromagnetism!

    It's certainly not a free energy device - it's horribly inefficient and consumes large amounts of electrical power while providing very little mechanical output power. It is interesting though, if you've never seen one before.



  • ceptimus wrote: »
    It is interesting though, if you've never seen one before.

    You just got to wonder how someone came up with that concept. It had to be well thought out, dont think anyone would have tried that combination and lucked into it.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    ErNa,

    Sure Intel's business is not "blue print" as far as export and money exchange goes.

    I don't see the problem. The human race has been trading around the world, across boarders for hundreds/thousands or years.

    We gave up the idea of exchanging actual stuff for different actual stuff a long time ago. It's too much hard work to drag it around. We invented money to make trade easier.

    Money is just a promisory note like "I owe you such and such of value". An IOU.

    The value of these IOU's depends on how much you trust the people making them. Like the US Treasury or the Bank of England or whoever takes care of the Chinese currency.

    Such money, a.k.a IOUs, are totally exchangeable. That is why we have currency markets.

    America is lucky in that the "IOU" of choice around the world has been the US dollar for ages.

    I suspect that might not always be so...









  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    Heater. wrote: »
    ErNa,

    I don't see the problem. The human race has been trading around the world, across boarders for hundreds/thousands or years.
    we totally agree. I'm just happy that my impression, I'm in danger going mad, seems to be wrong. And even it this is not the case, I'm not alone ;-)

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2017-02-09 23:38
    You may or may not be going mad.

    For sure the are 7 billion people out the who might say you are. When you disagree with them that is.

    I used to think there were some tests for ones own sanity/insanity:

    1) If I cannot measure it, it does not exist.

    2) If I cannot reason about it mathematically I cannot accept it as true.

    Problem is that leaves me living in the very small world that I can measure for myself and reason about mathematically with my simple mind.

    So be it.




  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,916
    Heater. wrote: »
    My question was about the "...export 80% of the produced value across the borders." thing.

    I always thought Intel exported microprocessors. They get the best price they can. I did not understand what that thing about "produced value" was.

    Anyone like to explain?

    I believe that is marketing talk for revenue (gross income). So 80% of revenue is earned from exported products. Which makes Intel a pretty big prize to keep in the good books.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    It's the context the statement was made in that is confusing. Something about Intel exporting all it's value and leaving behind only stupidity. Or something weird like that. I didn't get the idea.
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,752
    edited 2017-02-10 13:20
    I only talk in riddles to be politically correct. But I just include in my daily prayer "God Bless America", what I didn't before! And will now focus to useful things ;-)
  • I thought this kid deserves some more recognition for his effort, at around 6:20 he shows his design and then demonstrates it.

    Science Fair was not that difficult when I was in school.


  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2017-02-11 02:56
    MikeDYur wrote: »
    I thought this kid deserves some more recognition for his effort

    I'm not sure what sort of recognition you mean. You mean pointing out he's a fraud?

    His explanation is complete baloney. His gizmo is not "self sustaining". I think he knows what he has doesn't work the way he claims. There are a zillion ways this sort of thing can be faked. There are lots of these sorts of "magnet motors" on YouTube. If they claim they work without external power they are fakes. And there are a LOT of fakes.

    If this sort of thing really did work, it would be a huge discovery. The worlds energy needs would be met by these sorts of motors. It would also mean our rules of physics (which work really well for everything else) are completely wrong.

    Edit: This reply came out a bit harsh. Sorry about that. I just really hate these fake YouTube videos.

    Edit again: My guess is he has a motor spinning under the table. When he spins his magnets at the same speed as the motor under the table, the magnetic field from the motor is just enough to keep the gizmo spinning. This guy is at best a prankster and at worst a fraud.

  • Duane, I never claimed, nor did he that it was perpetual. but he tried, and he should be given credit for that.
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