Parallax ARM Competitor Challenge
microcontrolleruser
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Developers
In case Parallax team is looking for a challenge.
How about a chip to rival ARM?
It's a little disturbing to me that chip developers are flocking to
was not invented here in the US.
Are we going to give up our place in the world as leaders in technology?
I think not.
Thanks!
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ARM is not a chip, it is a brand name.
Why does the place of invention matter ?
If it make you feel better, you can claim a device that fetches and decodes opcodes to execute a sequential program, was originally invented in the USA. The rest is history and semantics
jmg
'ARM is not a chip, it is a brand name.'
ARM is what we call in Southern California 'a desk and a phone'.
They just come up with an idea and get paid for it.
That's not the way to build a premium product.
'Why does the place of invention matter ?'
It would be a better product if it was made here.
That's the whole of idea of this challenge to
create another 'Super microcontroller'.
One that leaves fastest ARM in the dust.
Thanks!
That's a sweeping claim, got any actual proof ?
Have you checked where your Apple phones are made lately ?
The challenge of "One that leaves fastest ARM in the dust" is not an invention challenge at all, it is a process challenge.
To do that, you need to work in the very leading edge FAB processes, and that costs far more than Parallax can hope to spend.
Even the biggest players pause at the mask costs here.
Rather smarter, is what Microchip do, which is make good money from trailing edge processes.
Microcontrollers really do not need to be 'faster than fastest ARM' in order to sell.
The P2 represents a quite good design, nicely optimised for a trailing edge process, and that targets a large sweet spot in measurement and control.
Rather that hope to displace an ARM, Parallax can instead target working with ARM cores.
Here is just one example of a device that targets a specific embedded market, in vision reading, and goes after products that currently use FPGA, not ARMs.
That looks like a possible P2 application to me.
And what is better?
Faster?
Better speed to milliwatt ratio?
Working together turns strangers into friends... I think, that's the way to go...
Developers
I've made the major points.
Anybody want to add anything to the wishlist
let me know.
Thanks!
I'm in Europe.
I will not work for the superiority of the US...
Why should I?
Keith
RISC-V
I'm on it.
Thanks!
Yeti
No 'superiority' intended here.
Great companies in Europe.
Olimex, Stem and Atmel. Just to name a few.
Have a nice day!
Bob
Parallax already has enough of a challenge getting the Propeller II finished. Which, thank God, is not just another "me too", general purpose, RISC machine but something altogether different.
ARM is not just a brand. It is an instruction set/architecture specification. You can implement it yourself if you buy a licence. I believe that is what Apple does. They don't seem to be suffering for it not being invented in the US. Did you know that Intel has an ARM license and used to build ARM chips? I recently read they were about to do so again.
The US has already given up it's place as a technology leader in many ways. Name me one ball bearing manufacturer in the US? When the new boss get's that "wall" built you are done. I think you had better revisit and revise most of them.
@jmg, Except the first such device was built in Manchester England. The idea goes back further. See Turing, Babage, Lovelace.
Timken still makes bearings in the US, but that is roller bearings.
That wall will work both ways, it will keep us in.
EDIT: We can't expect Ronald Reagan and the calvary to show up in the nick of time.
You sound like a Trump supporter!
A good idea is a good idea no matter where it comes from.
Developers
If you put a super chip on their desk at Parallax
they wouldn't use it.
It finally sunk in that Stamp and Propellor are teaching products.
Thanks!
Ray
Developers
ARM was just picked as an example.
Probably should have said 'Super Microprocessor'.
Buy American? When it comes to microcontrollers it probably doesn't matter.
It's more of a 'quality club'. If it's a well made product then okay it'll do.
It's more the non-thinking thing that bothers me.
Buying someone else's design.
Usually means you don't believe you can think of one yourself.
Bob
http://www.timken.com/products/timken-engineered-bearings/ball/
Some others when I find them,
http://www.bardenbearings.com/content.barden.us/us/index.jsp
http://nhbb.com/manufacturing-divisions/myonic.aspx
Bearings Manufacturers in the United States,
Almost one for every state.
Manta has 47 companies under Bearings Manufacturers in the United States.
http://www.manta.com/mb_35_E52327N0_000/ball_and_roller_bearings_nec
Phfft! I don't think so.
I think England can stand up to a little competition.
Thanks!
Yeah, what with having to deal with the Vikings, Romans, French, Spanish, Italian church, Germans and in modern times the "European Community", etc. The USA is small fry.
Of course that means the population of England is now children of the Vikings, Romans, French, Spanish, Italian church, Germans etc.
But never mind about that.
How many countries do this on a regular basis.
The entire US space program depended on the talents of Wernher Von Braun and others from Europe.
The manned flights to the moon depended on navigation maths published by academics in Russia at the time.
The entire wealth of the USA today depended on nukes. Remember Einstine from Germany, John Von Neumann from Hungary?
I could go on.
Last I heard the USA could not even get it up and were dependent on the Russians to reach the Space Station.
In short: How many countries do this on a regular basis? We all do. There are contributions from so many places.
Build a wall around yourselves and you are committing suicide.
It comes about because my grandfather was Scottish, my grand mother was Irish, my father was Czechoslovakian. In school my friends had roots in France, Switzerland, Russia. Mostly further back than anyone remembers.
But, I count myself as English as can be.
Silly really.
We're the only ones that have the facilty's and economy to do that at this point in time.
I'm willing to bet we can find people from all over the world that contributed more to these efforts than you did.
Last I heard the USA could not get to the space station without a Russian rocket.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-38566114
I was not thinking of China though. I got the idea that the best balls came from Sweden. SKF that is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SKF
unrelated to original post.