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Windows 10 for free. Is it worth it?

blittledblittled Posts: 681
edited 2015-03-29 20:56 in General Discussion
http://gizmodo.com/windows-10-is-a-free-upgrade-for-the-first-year-1680771504

Hopefully I won't start a flame war :). It looks like if you have Windows 7 or 8 you can upgrade to Windows 10 for the first year for free. I fervently hated the Windows 8 beta I tried so I decided to never upgrade from 7 to (h)8. I have been testing Windows 10 beta in a virtual machine and it actually seems tolerable. Is this going to be another flop for MS or will keep their record of every other version being good?
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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-01-22 12:58
    I'm not totally clear about the deal offered here.

    Back in the day, even up to Windows XP, you paid your money and got your OS. You could be running that same OS for a long time. As we know XP is still in use way past it's supported life time. I have no idea how that works with Windows 7 or 8 or 9 or whatever.

    I could be wrong but what seems to be on offer here is to trash your old OS, that you could keep forever, and replace it with one that expires after a year and then requires rent payments forever to keep up with whatever comes next, or just continue using it at all.

    Thus converting customers from purchasers of a product into rent payers forever.

    Do correct me if I'm wrong.

    Luckily we have other options now a days.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-01-22 13:19
    I spent about ten or so minutes trying to figure out why I should get W10 but pretty much everything thing I could find was marketing speak that could be applied to any OS.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2015-01-22 13:39
    For one year only? No Way.

    I wonder if, with Windows 8 and 10, they've fixed the loophole where you could basically use Windows 7 free forever?
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-01-22 13:44
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    For one year only? No Way.

    I think the deal is that you have one year to upgrade for free. Then they will keep it updated for free for the life of it.
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2015-01-22 13:48
    I think they mean that you can get the Windows 10 upgrade for free for the next 12 months. After that you will have to pay to get Windows 10.

    I've never upgraded any of my Windows system with a newer version. I just ran them with the installed Windows OS until they died. I did recently put Linux on a machine that had Windows Vista, but that was after the disk died, and I replaced it with a new one.

    EDIT: I still have a Windows XP system at work. It was my main work computer until Microsoft dropped support for XP last year, and the IT department no longer supports it. I still keep the XP system around because it has a lot of programs that I didn't want to re-install on my Windows 7 system. I don't seen any reason for going to Windows 10 until I get a new computer.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2015-01-22 13:50
    I think the deal is that you have one year to upgrade for free. Then they will keep it updated for free for the life of it.

    Ah, that's different. If I'd been stupid enough to "upgrade" to Windows 8 then I would take them up on their offer. If they realty wanted to do the right thing, Windows XP would be eligible also.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2015-01-22 13:55
    I'm still waiting for Windows 9, ( Windows XP, Service Pack 4). :)

    That would keep millions happy.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2015-01-22 20:21
    W9GFO wrote: »
    I think the deal is that you have one year to upgrade for free. Then they will keep it updated for free for the life of it.
    Are you certain? Another explanation I read was that this simply indicates that MS is moving to a pay-per-year scheme for Windows, i.e. that you lease it. And then the offer is just bait and hook..

    Another thing - does anybody know if it's true that Windows 10 will only run on new hardware? My GF's old laptop running Vista has a broken harddisk, the disk can be replaced but not the OS. We can still buy Windows 7 in the shop (Windows 8 is not an option), but then we may be stuck.

    -Tor
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-01-22 20:41
    Nope, it isn't worth it. I am happy with Debian Linux. With Windows or OS X, there seems to always be a need to buy something more. I have to control my expenses.

    These days, my new Asus ZenFone5 with Android has turned into a nightmare. I am struggling to shut off the default options that are barraging me with invasive social media. (I just wanted to replace my old clamshell phone.) Still trying to figure out how to make the new phone secure and private.

    Linux forever, where I have control over my own life.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-01-22 21:11
    Tor wrote: »
    Are you certain?

    This is what MS says;
    We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time – for no additional charge.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-01-22 21:11
    Tor wrote: »
    Are you certain?

    This is what MS says;
    We will offer a free upgrade to Windows 10 for qualified new or existing Windows 7, Windows 8.1 and Windows Phone 8.1 devices that upgrade in the first year!* And even better: once a qualified Windows device is upgraded to Windows 10, we will continue to keep it up to date for the supported lifetime of the device, keeping it more secure, and introducing new features and functionality over time – for no additional charge.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2015-01-22 21:37
    Win10? Sign me up! You with me, Dr_Acula? IIRC we're the only two forumistas happy with Win8.

    Of course, I was also happy with Vista. The 2005 Compaq desktop I'm using now came with XP and a Vista upgrade. RAM maxed out at 2GB. Later I put Win8 on a second HD. No major problems other than a WD HD that slowly went bad. Didn't lose any data.

    I also have a fairly new 6GB Toshiba laptop with Win8 but this old Compaq is my main workhorse.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2015-01-23 01:58
    You actually upgraded to Vista?

    You have my condolences...

    What I don't like about this 'offer' is this:
    the supported lifetime of the device
    Is that the warranty period?
    I expect my computers to be supported for the 'useful lifetime'...
    (My Mac Mini, first Intel Gen died just before Xmas... And until then, it still received OS patches. I believe they still patch stuff for PPC versions, too)
  • ajwardajward Posts: 1,130
    edited 2015-01-23 02:27
    I'm running Win7 on one of my computers and it's okay, but I just don't use it much. That box is dual boot with Fedora 21 and Fedora is the default OS.
    I guess the free upgrade is kinda tempting, but I'm not sure I'll take advantage of it.
    Between the Linux box and my iMac, there is very little in the M$ world I need.

    Amanda
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2015-01-23 04:44
    Loopy,

    Your Android trouble: Go to settings, apps, all, then scroll until you find the non-removable bloatware (on my device it's things like Picasa Uploader, MyCloud, MyBitCast, Google+, Google Search, Gmail, Zinio, some Facebook stuff.. you get it). Then select each of them. Stop them if running. Then select 'deactivate'. All of the deactivated apps will from now on be at the end of that apps list (not following the alphabethical order), and won't start up anymore. You can't remove them, but they will not bother you and not use any RAM.

    W9GFO: Thanks for clarifying that.

    Gadgetman: Oh, you spotted a cunning use of words.. that's the loophole right there, I suspect.

    -Tor
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-01-23 05:47
    @Tor
    Thanks... I am making progress. But I was extremely disappointed with what Asus provided for a so-called user's manual. It just wanted to encourage the user to load up on all and everything.

    I won't likely go back to Windows ever. And people should beware when Android claims Linux affiliation. It tends to attempt to train the user to do what it desires.

    Just today, I finally discovered how to remove all the APPS that loaded on in the beginning. Still removing clutter of messages and such is a bit tedious. I want to take my phone calls off for the sake of privacy and have to do that one at time, rather that just clear all.

    The language in the menus system is not at all clear. It seems to indicate that if I remove the Gmail from my Andriod, it may also close my Gmail account entirely.

    When I changed over my old SIM card to the new ZenFone, my students insisted I load up LINE to communicate with the class about attendence and time changes. Sadly, LINE took all the phone numbers in my SIM card and contacted them. There were several lonely Taiwanese ladies that I only exchanged phone numbers out of politeness. Suddenly, I had all of them thinking that I was finally interested in dating. That has been a nightmare and it may take years for me to forgive Android.

    Frankly we have reached a peak with social networking where people are beginning to fear identity theft and being stalked via their cellular phones. The recent Paris incident had CNN reporting that all the Paris police should stay off of social media and turn off their cellular phones for their own safety. Not exactly good press for leading edge technology.

    I am not sure what Windows 10 is up to. Buying a 64bit quad machine bundled with only Vista in Chinese and 32bits left me shifting over to Linux. At the time, MS wanted me to pay over $1400 in software upgrades to get 64bit Vista, dual languages, and MS Office. I must admit, Vista display is very pretty compared to Linux... but that I can live without.

    Windows 7 is installed on my notebook, but I never use it. It seems to be one of MS's better products and allows me to program BasicStamps. So it stays installed in a dual boot just for legacy Parallax software.

    Will Windows 10 compile PBASIC? I dunno.
  • dmagnusdmagnus Posts: 271
    edited 2015-01-23 09:15
    I've got two Win 7 and one Win 8.1 computers. I'm going to upgrade them all.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-01-23 09:58
    I think P. T. Barnum had something to say about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2015-01-23 11:06
    Heater. wrote: »
    I think P. T. Barnum had something to say about this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P._T._Barnum

    OT

    Yes, "There is a sucker born every minute". I have to agree. :)

    But he was instrumental in starting Bridgeport Hospital, where I was born.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridgeport_Hospital

    Wonder if that has a change in the time line.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-01-23 12:24
    I have no idea much about what P.T. got up to but from your link I read that Bridgeport hospital was down to Dr. George Lewis, who had the idea, and his aunt Susan Hubbell who put up the money.

    Seems P.T. stepped in to take the credit.

    "There is a sucker born every minute" :)
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2015-01-23 14:10
    Erco said: Win10? Sign me up! You with me, Dr_Acula? IIRC we're the only two forumistas happy with Win8.

    Looks very tempting. Backing up data first, then I'll check it out. :)
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-01-23 14:56
    Be sure to not just back up your data but take a snapshot of the whole disk image so that you can revert the whole OS later if need be.

    Not that I expect anything bad to happen when upgrading Windows of course :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2015-01-23 15:43
    Heater. wrote: »
    Not that I expect anything bad to happen when upgrading Windows of course :)

    C'mon, what could go wro#%$#%$&^%*&^(*&(*&(*&KNKJHKJFGEJHGJHEQVFJHVFJHHGJgjgfjhgrjhegrjhewgfjh cjbwekjkdfklrwhfkhrwtkhrektgreterergerger
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2015-01-23 18:10
    All installed and running Window 10 :)

    It seems faster to load programs. Propeller tool running fine. All my favourite programs seem to be working fine too.

    Took about 2 hours to download and then another 45 mins or so to install. There are some comments on the web about installing an ISO image (maybe that is old information), but I just clicked a "download and install" button and apart from one manual restart, it was all automatic from there on.

    All very easy.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2015-01-23 19:50
    My, but you ARE an early and enthusiastic adopter! Is that the Beta version, Dr_Acula?

    Oops, I see you've already answered that as 5) No.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2015-01-23 19:55
    Checking version number now...

    Control Panel/System, it says it is "Windows 10 Pro Technical Preview"

    When I boot the computer it gives me an option to boot into this or to rollback.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2015-01-24 06:20
    Wait a minute. Do you have to install this on top of your existing Windows? That is not good. A stand alone install disk with Windows 10 going into its own separate folder or partition would be better. I guess I'll have to check into that.
  • blittledblittled Posts: 681
    edited 2015-01-24 09:18
    RLD2004, If you follow the instructions on the Windows Insider page you WILL overwrite your operating system! I followed it and it and what happens is the "upgrade" shows up as an update on Windows update. I went along with it figuring that at one point it would give you the option of not installing and storing it as an ISO. It does NOT ask it just starts installing. Luckily I powered down my laptop in time and did some work removing the "update". I then searched the site and found the current version in an ISO image. IMHO MS should've made the ISO the default way of downloading it rather than forcing this on as an update. In their defense the page that starts the download warns that this should not be done on your primary computer.

    Dr. Acula. I hope you did make an image backup. I don't trust the rollbacks so going to Windows 10 Technical Review may be a one way street.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-01-24 09:37
    Seems obvious that Microsoft desires to drive users to up-grade or eventually be left behind. No user friendly way to install a dual boot of multiple Windows versions, and Microsoft wants to dominate your harddisk regardless.

    The tendency of commercial consumer OSes is to stair-step you in to up-grading one thing, then having to buy something else to upgrade further. I guess if you have deep pockets, that's okay. I just never enjoyed having deep pockets.

    Overall, the world has gone from having brand loyality based on a reputation for excellence to brand loyality being based on corraling the customer to buy a keystone product (such as a computer with a free installed OS) and giving them no futher choice about buying products outside the franchise.

    Since I hate to be pushed around, I use Linux. It is not so much about open-source idealism as it is about the fact that free open-source OSes and software are creation of people that respect other people and belive in fair play.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-01-24 12:41
    I wonder if you can take a Win7 VM and upgrade it to Win X? Maybe if you have the ISO version.

    Sound like a great way to waste some time if I really cared.

    Loopy, you're too harsh on Mr. Gates, he can make potable water out of poop now.....that's almost as good as turning water into wine, no?

    http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/07/technology/innovationnation/gates-poop-water/index.html
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