This is what I made up for breaking out the P2 from DE0-Nano.
Looks good!. Yes the BeMicro CV pins are different if I'm not mistaken (should be easy to fix I think).
The EEPROM and Prop-plug aren't strictly necessary for in-circuit debugging of course: the circuit you're debugging probably already has an EEPROM at least (I guess the prop plug could be useful in production debugging on circuits that DON'T have a Prop Plug). So you can just run P28/P29 to the appropriate pins on the DIP. Also, my project shares the SCL pin with the EEPROM (I just keep SDA high while the application runs, so the EEPROM doesn't activate). I would really need those two pins to be connected to my project.
By the way it looks like pins P26 and P27 are also not connected. What gives?
This is for the P2 so there are a few changes for P1V.
- no P26/27,
- SPI flash rather than I2C eeprom. P88-91 instead.
- the DAC outputs B0 and B1 wouldn't be on on there. Similarly the RESn signal would, rather than on the other header.
Anyway just to give an idea for breaking out. If i was doing the same board again I'd move the programming header to the other side of the eeprom. Not sure what I was thinking.
If we each develop a few different & useful PCBs, I'd be happy to run another SmorgasBoard with these.
This is for the P2 so there are a few changes for P1V.
Whoops, sorry if I spoke too soon. :cool:
I was planning on designing my own board anyway, once I find the time. It's not that hard. I might even just make it out of perfboard and a couple of headers, without going through the trouble of using EDA software.
Hey Propellerheads
I think I bring good news - Arrow has sent me a custom offer for the BeMicro Boards. Please contact me via PM or at
prop (eeet) ext.no-route.org if you are interested in a cheaper board. then we can maybe get a nice group order.
This could be especially useful for people in Europe (I am in Germany).
Hey Propellerheads
I think I bring good news - Arrow has sent me a custom offer for the BeMicro Boards. Please contact me via PM or at
prop (eeet) ext.no-route.org if you are interested in a cheaper board. then we can maybe get a nice group order.
This could be especially useful for people in Europe (I am in Germany).
Is this the BeScopeBundle, (~$50) or the BEmicro CV (I see verical list that $34.7588 )
I just found out that Arrow sells something called the BeScopeBundle which consists of the BeMicro CV ("supported" by the Propeller source code) plus a plugin board that you can use as an oscilloscope. It's only $1 more than the BeMicro CV ($50 instead of $49).
Last I checked, Arrow was almost out of BeMicroCV (3 in stock) but they still have plenty of BeScopeBundles (246 in stock at this time). Worth the extra dollar, I would say.
There go 50$ plus shipping and tax... I want one of those BeScopes, the look great !.
Did you notice the mention of a BeMicro CV-A9, too ? A search doesn't return any results, though
I'd been stuck at the same point for some time until I realized that Arrow could left the cat out of the bag thru some other subtle referenced title, then I found it at the middle of the BeScope page, inside the box named:
There go 50$ plus shipping and tax... I want one of those BeScopes, the look great !.
Did you notice the mention of a BeMicro CV-A9, too ? A search doesn't return any results, though
There go 50$ plus shipping and tax... I want one of those BeScopes, the look great !.
Did you notice the mention of a BeMicro CV-A9, too ? A search doesn't return any results, though
I looked for the CV-A9 on the Arrow site for a long time when I caught wind of it. If I remember correctly, when I finally found a page for them, they were discontinued and out of stock. There were no pictures or PDFs to download. It doesn't show up in the parts locator either. But I seem to remember the price tag would have been way too high for me anyway.
Perhaps the absence (drop) of support, under the free Quartus II web edition, for the 5CEFA9F23C8N (301kLE's) caused Arrow's decision to doesn't pursue with this launch, expected, by some sources, to show up by August or so.
If this was the case, maybe the -A9 circuit board could be used with the Quartus II Web Edition supported 5CEFA7F23C8N device, but I wonder if Arrow's marketing division would like to swallow this downgraded launch, admiting they're capitalizing over Altera free design tool offerings.
Also, the 5CEFA7F23C8N is displayed at buyaltera.com at a nominal US$ 178.69 cost. Unless they sold it to Arrow at a >>50% discount, it was difficult to imagine the final product costing less than US$ 700, or even more.
It would be a show stopper at all!
I looked for the CV-A9 on the Arrow site for a long time when I caught wind of it. If I remember correctly, when I finally found a page for them, they were discontinued and out of stock. There were no pictures or PDFs to download. It doesn't show up in the parts locator either. But I seem to remember the price tag would have been way too high for me anyway.
I just received my BeMicro CV. However I got a Cyclone V with speed grade 7 . Wow. My chip on BeMicro CV is 5CEFA2F23I7 but in the documents there is a 5CEFA2F23C8 chip mentioned. Do you have the 7 speed grade version or the 8?
I am very happy to receive a faster chip than in the documents of BeMicro CV.
Just put in an order, as everyone else here seems happy with theirs. $68 USD with shipping to Ontario. Hopefully don't get dinged with some stupid brokerage fees etc.
By the way - I quickly looked at the Pin Mapping for the J1/J2 connector and it seems to be exactly the same
as on the Altera DE2 Board. Can somebody confirm that? I am working for a expansion board for the BCV now.
Got mine yesterday -- haven't played with it yet. But one thing that struck me right away was the lack of binding post holes on the board. A bit annoying if you want to put it into a case at some point.
I like the look of that add-on board. I want to make one that has a few MIDI ports on it (as many as I can fit). It'd be neat to have it stack over/under yours.
By the way - I quickly looked at the Pin Mapping for the J1/J2 connector and it seems to be exactly the same
as on the Altera DE2 Board. Can somebody confirm that? I am working for a expansion board for the BCV now.
I like the look of that add-on board. I want to make one that has a few MIDI ports on it (as many as I can fit). It'd be neat to have it stack over/under yours.
Actually MIDI is also planned on this board.
Features planned:
- 2 C64-"style" Joystick Ports
- 2 "bit" per color and 3 "bit" per color VGA output
- Composite Video Output (Cinch)
- Stereo Audio Output (Cinch)
- PS/2 Keyboard Connector
- PS/2 Mouse Connector
- MIDI Input
- MIDI Output
- 512K EEPROM (for P1V and User Code)
- FTDI-Header (or evetually even a ftdi on board)
- Spare I/O on another smaller pin header
HDMI vs VGA would be nicer. It's getting harder and harder to find newer monitors that take VGA in. And modern TVs won't take VGA anymore either. And USB for keyboard mouse. But both of those might be asking way too much.
Then you basically have everything needed for a modern home computer emulator :-)
Attached is an image of a BeMicroCV with my Quick Start breakout board. The board includes an eeprom , reset button, and prop plug.
NickL
Hi Nick
Random question time Is that sat on some sort of plastic case you have made?
If it is, do you have any advice for somebody that wants to have cases prototyped and then made up like that in relatively small quantities? Just have no idea where to start.
Comments
Looks good!. Yes the BeMicro CV pins are different if I'm not mistaken (should be easy to fix I think).
The EEPROM and Prop-plug aren't strictly necessary for in-circuit debugging of course: the circuit you're debugging probably already has an EEPROM at least (I guess the prop plug could be useful in production debugging on circuits that DON'T have a Prop Plug). So you can just run P28/P29 to the appropriate pins on the DIP. Also, my project shares the SCL pin with the EEPROM (I just keep SDA high while the application runs, so the EEPROM doesn't activate). I would really need those two pins to be connected to my project.
By the way it looks like pins P26 and P27 are also not connected. What gives?
===Jac
This is for the P2 so there are a few changes for P1V.
- no P26/27,
- SPI flash rather than I2C eeprom. P88-91 instead.
- the DAC outputs B0 and B1 wouldn't be on on there. Similarly the RESn signal would, rather than on the other header.
Anyway just to give an idea for breaking out. If i was doing the same board again I'd move the programming header to the other side of the eeprom. Not sure what I was thinking.
If we each develop a few different & useful PCBs, I'd be happy to run another SmorgasBoard with these.
Whoops, sorry if I spoke too soon. :cool:
I was planning on designing my own board anyway, once I find the time. It's not that hard. I might even just make it out of perfboard and a couple of headers, without going through the trouble of using EDA software.
===Jac
I think I bring good news - Arrow has sent me a custom offer for the BeMicro Boards. Please contact me via PM or at
prop (eeet) ext.no-route.org if you are interested in a cheaper board. then we can maybe get a nice group order.
This could be especially useful for people in Europe (I am in Germany).
Is this the BeScopeBundle, (~$50) or the BEmicro CV (I see verical list that $34.7588 )
Did you notice the mention of a BeMicro CV-A9, too ? A search doesn't return any results, though
I'd been stuck at the same point for some time until I realized that Arrow could left the cat out of the bag thru some other subtle referenced title, then I found it at the middle of the BeScope page, inside the box named:
DEVELOPMENT KITS & TOOLS DETAIL, subtitle Additional Information
ADI/Altera BeMicro Solutions Brochure
My search term was "arrow adi altera bemicro brochure"
I hope it helps
Yanomani
P.S. BeScopeBundle's page also displays the link at the same position, and Micron also has it at the link:
http://www.micron.com/products/partner-ecosystem/altera
shortly after the title:
ADI/Altera BeMicro Solutions
I looked for the CV-A9 on the Arrow site for a long time when I caught wind of it. If I remember correctly, when I finally found a page for them, they were discontinued and out of stock. There were no pictures or PDFs to download. It doesn't show up in the parts locator either. But I seem to remember the price tag would have been way too high for me anyway.
===Jac
Perhaps the absence (drop) of support, under the free Quartus II web edition, for the 5CEFA9F23C8N (301kLE's) caused Arrow's decision to doesn't pursue with this launch, expected, by some sources, to show up by August or so.
If this was the case, maybe the -A9 circuit board could be used with the Quartus II Web Edition supported 5CEFA7F23C8N device, but I wonder if Arrow's marketing division would like to swallow this downgraded launch, admiting they're capitalizing over Altera free design tool offerings.
Also, the 5CEFA7F23C8N is displayed at buyaltera.com at a nominal US$ 178.69 cost. Unless they sold it to Arrow at a >>50% discount, it was difficult to imagine the final product costing less than US$ 700, or even more.
It would be a show stopper at all!
Yanomani
I just received my BeMicro CV. However I got a Cyclone V with speed grade 7 . Wow. My chip on BeMicro CV is 5CEFA2F23I7 but in the documents there is a 5CEFA2F23C8 chip mentioned. Do you have the 7 speed grade version or the 8?
I am very happy to receive a faster chip than in the documents of BeMicro CV.
Majzik M
I just received my BEScopeCV bundles.
Now I just have to find time to play with them.
as on the Altera DE2 Board. Can somebody confirm that? I am working for a expansion board for the BCV now.
Actually MIDI is also planned on this board.
Features planned:
- 2 C64-"style" Joystick Ports
- 2 "bit" per color and 3 "bit" per color VGA output
- Composite Video Output (Cinch)
- Stereo Audio Output (Cinch)
- PS/2 Keyboard Connector
- PS/2 Mouse Connector
- MIDI Input
- MIDI Output
- 512K EEPROM (for P1V and User Code)
- FTDI-Header (or evetually even a ftdi on board)
- Spare I/O on another smaller pin header
Then you basically have everything needed for a modern home computer emulator :-)
Thats the current draft.
Yes, of course. This is only the dimension drawing of the board. It includes also an EEPROM and a bunch
more active components.
NickL
https://git.no-route.org/syso/p8x32a_emulation
here's some test code which uses an sd-card on portb 28-31:
https://git.no-route.org/syso/p8x32a_emulation/tree/Altera/code/sidcog_sdplayer_portb
Have fun and let me know if it works or not
Hi Nick
Random question time
If it is, do you have any advice for somebody that wants to have cases prototyped and then made up like that in relatively small quantities? Just have no idea where to start.
The blue base is a plastic platform made by Propellerpwered to support the Quickstart.
Nick