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Rare Wheel Encoder Sensors Available: Strike Now!

ercoerco Posts: 20,256
edited 2014-10-03 12:07 in General Discussion
Just found these rare, long-discontinued Hamamatsu P5587 sensors on Ebay now in several lots of 10 and 100. My favorite for DIY optical wheel encoders, as I used here: http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/119343-Make-Your-Own-Encoders

Did I say RARE? Acroname is out: http://www.acroname.com/robotics/parts/R64-P5587.html Junun was the last source and dried up: http://www.junun.org/MarkIII/Info.jsp?item=48 Built-in amplifier, filter, Schmitt triggers, much more inside than your average photoreflector. Makes a $4 CNY70 look sickly in comparison. Also good for line follower sensors.

Strike now, this is a rare opportunity. You may never see these again. IMO, any self-respecting roboticist needs at least ten in his/her parts drawer, Amanda ! :) Heck, I bought a lot of 100 for $60 "best offer". But I'm a hoarder, don't ask to buy mine as long as this seller has some for sale! I have all sorts of plans for mine.

Perfect for Stingray wheel encoders. You'll need at least two for tach sensors, or four for quadrature encoders. I prefer simple tach sensors for use with high gear ratio motors since I KNOW which direction my wheels are going.

BTW, this encoder is fast, too. It's the same one I used in my 325 PPS quadrature encoder test at http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/121179-Reading-Quadrature-Encoders?p=899765&viewfull=1#post899765

http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-Hamamatsu-P5587-Photo-IC-output-digital-Photoreflector-reflective-Sensors-/221264829793?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3384695d61#ht_194wt_921

http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Hamamatsu-P5587-Photo-IC-output-digital-Photoreflector-reflective-Sensors-/221259521012?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3384185bf4#ht_194wt_921

Schematic attached below.
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Comments

  • SRLMSRLM Posts: 5,045
    edited 2013-08-19 20:50
    They appear to be gone:

    Nevermind, the link was truncated by the forum:
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/10pcs-Hamama...eflector-refle%20ctive-Sensors-/221264829793?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338469%205d61#ht_194wt_921
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/100pcs-Hamam...reflector-refl%20ective-Sensors-/221259521012?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item338418%205bf4#ht_194wt_921
  • Martin_HMartin_H Posts: 4,051
    edited 2013-08-20 06:34
    Interesting. It's kind of surprising that a sensor would not be replace by something better. Did this part transistion to SMD or just go the way of the dodo? Also, I like to put a trim pot between the photo-transistor output and the Schmidt trigger input. That way I can trim the sensor until I get 50/50 output to the microcontroller. Does the built in amplifier do that, or do you move the sensor closer and farther until it's trimmed?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 07:14
    You can adjust that ratio either with spacing, or varying the LED's series resistor.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 08:06
    Nice find erco!

    I was about to pull the trigger, when I notice the seller increased the price for 10 to $17.50. I guess it's still not a bad price with free shipping.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 08:33
    Publison wrote: »
    the seller increased the price for 10 to $17.50.

    That's a bit odd after I negotitated the eprice of a hundred down to $60. Maybe I ruined it for everyone? :)

    If five or more people here commit to buying ten from me, I'll try to get another lot of a hundred from the seller at that price and we can divy those up. I'm guessing probably ~$7 or 8 with shipping for ten if he goes for it. Erco is here to save you $$$!

    These are too handy for me to let you guys pass on 'em. You'll thank me. :)

    Lemme know ASAP!
  • Mike CookMike Cook Posts: 829
    edited 2013-08-20 08:40
    Erco,


    I’ll byte!


    I’ll split 100 with you if you want do a similar deal. If others want in, you can lower my quantity/price.


    Let me know, and I’ll PM my PayPal email address so you can invoice me.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 08:44
    I sent an offer for the old price ($14.50), and he countered with $16.00. He said he was getting low on stock. WT? According to the two auctions, he has at least 400 available.

    Well, I bought 10 before I read your post.

    I owe 2 bucks to the college fund. :)
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2013-08-20 09:36
    I made an offer of $50 for 100pcs, but he countered with $75. I only offered $50 because I really don't "need" them.
    So once again it looks like erco got a great deal. Mumble...mumble...mumble..darn so and so...mumble...mumble..mumble... But I'm not bitter. ;)

    Bean
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 09:42
    Seller also raised his BIN price to $95 for 100. Let's see if he bites at my $60 offer again.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 09:49
    I guess a little bit of sales motivates price. Supply and Demand.

    Thanks erco! JK :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 10:07
    OK, I got another lot of 100 for $60. Line forms to the rear!
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 10:08
    190 pieces sold today. He knows he's got a hot seller.

    Look's like erco bought 100 more, (same buyer ID from yesterday).

    EDIT: Post same time as erco.

    These would have been great to put in the box:

    http://www.savagecircuits.com/showthread.php?113-Q3-2013-Travel-Plan

    e    rco, you didn't get in on this round?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 10:10
    It's an obscure part, and quite hard to find anywhere. I'll bet most or all of his traffic is from this thread.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 10:13
    erco wrote: »
    It's an obscure part, and quite hard to find anywhere. I'll bet most or all of his traffic is from this thread.

    I agree.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2013-08-20 10:13
    Publison wrote: »
    I sent an offer for the old price ($14.50), and he countered with $16.00. He said he was getting low on stock. WT? According to the two auctions, he has at least 400 available.

    I had them in my cart but deleted them - just ordered at $17.50 - we may never see them offered again...
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2013-08-20 10:14
    So I ordered ten for 17.50.. and seven minutes later I got an ebay email claiming it was dispatched! Not even Jeff (OBC) can ship that quickly.. let's see how this turns out.

    -Tor
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-08-20 10:15
    I would like 20 please. I hear no respectable robotocist should be without these....I want to be respectable!

    I will PM info for a PayPal invoice or however you want to handle payments. Please include proper ETCF (Erco's Twin's College Fund) donation.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 10:19
    Tor wrote: »
    So I ordered ten for 17.50.. and seven minutes later I got an ebay email claiming it was dispatched! Not even Jeff (OBC) can ship that quickly.. let's see how this turns out.

    -Tor

    10 minute reply with shipping info here.

    But, I bet I'll get mine before you! :)
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 10:21
    Ron Czapala wrote: »
    I had them in my cart but deleted them - just ordered at $17.50 - we may never see them offered again...

    Some guy named erco may offer them on ebay. :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 10:30
    Good call, Pub! I could sell these for $4 each on Ebay (plus shipping) to advance the twins' college fund...

    I'm waiting to hear from DD to make sure he updates his online list of "stuff erco made me buy".
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-08-20 10:35
    Interesting component and legendary... I have CNY70 sensors as an alternative. not a very good one.

    Hall effect sensors are another way to go. Some can count each tooth on a gear as it swings by.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 10:44
    Loopy Byteloose wrote: »
    Interesting component and legendary... I have CNY70 sensors as an alternative. not a very good one.

    Hall effect sensors are another way to go. Some can count each tooth on a gear as it swings by.

    Loopy,

    Apples and Oranges. How can you count the teeth on a CR servo or stepper? You need an optical encoder disk.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-08-20 10:48
    I am actually leaning toward buying motors on Ebay with built-in quadrature encoders. The optical sensor has never been the big issue, making and attaching a good encoder wheel is very challenging for high resolution.

    The CNY70 might do fine for line following arrays.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 11:14
    making and attaching a good encoder wheel is very challenging for high resolution.

    High resolution encoder wheels, (optical), are built into every printer since the 90's, maybe earlier.

    Could you expand on that?

    erco will challenge you. :)
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-08-20 12:10
    I am talking about making and putting encoder wheels on the ends of motor shafts.

    Are you suggesting that they can be salavaged from all and any printers since the 90s? I think not. I cannibalized my HP Inkjet and it had one optical encoder strip. The motors seems to be operating with some sort of PID arrangement and gears.

    Mice have had tiny optical encoders that might be useful for salvage. I have a few, but removing the shaft and drilling a hole dead center seems quite demanding.

    The appeal of buying motors with encoder systems is not just the encoders. The motors are generally very good quality as well. Better than the toy motors that I am fooling with most of the time.

    I find that sometimes it pays to use something that is well-built. Trying to DIY a whole project may be satisfying in some ways, but the project may be even better with a nice solid motor/encoder.

    http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=motor+with+encoder
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 12:28
    Do you find any fault with the products that erco used a pretty nice encoder?

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/119343-Make-Your-Own-Encoders

    T    his thread is about the sensors that erco found, not about quadrature sensors. There are many threads about that.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-08-20 12:46
    I guess you feel I should not offer alternatives.. such as hall effect sensors or complete motor/encoder solutions.

    I just found that making my own encoders was a bit too much of what I don't want to do. I hope you can accept that. The motors that come with them have higher resolution and the optical encoder is actually enclosed and protected from dirt and debris. Full quadrature is provided.

    I have tried using CNY70 sensors and printing encoder wheels on 3.5" miniCD disks. It works pretty well, but everything was rather large.

    I won't pass judgement on Erco's solution, at least not a negative one.

    In sum, I get to explore how fully the Propeller will preform with these motors rather than how fully my own creation will preform. Things i build from scratch often are more work to keep together.

    I know that some want to save money, others want to DIY everything. I do a bit of both, but good motors with built-in encoders can free up a lot of time for other things.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-08-20 13:02
    George,
    I was just pointing out that the thread is about optical sensors, so there was no need to bring up hall effect sensor in this thread.

    I have torn down printers from the 90's that had encoder wheels. That's not to say that you have not seen them. Just sayin' I have.

    As one forum member to another, I appreciate your almost 8,000 posts. There is a lot of info in there.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-20 20:30
    BTW ,the Junun website I keep linking to has been down for 2 days, but I just contacted Tim and he fixed it tonight. Sensor info and datasheet at http://www.junun.org/MarkIII/Info.jsp?item=48

    He's still out of these sensors, but he said he might restock off Ebay now. :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-08-21 19:34
    Sounds like we plum cleaned out the Ebay seller of these sensors! At least the big lots of 100 are gone. Someone else also bought 200! The seller emailed me:

    Dear erco,

    Hello,
    That was amazing. I just now finished shipping all of those orders for the P5587s
    Thank you so much.
    If I come across quantities of other robotic components, I'll get in touch with you.
    No, I don't have any of the Hamamatsu.S6986..

    Thanks again,
    David

    - dmcgibb
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