I am gonna go out on a limb and say I am NOT impressed with the car ..
what One advantage does gas have over EVs ......... the gas cap ......
We have some how all agreed to use a hole in the side of the car and its all 100 % compatable .
Chevy did not make a square hole and a round nozzle .......
I had a 1on1 talk with some of the people at TESLA . and I was Really put off by a mistake they are VERY proud of .
SAE is a INTERNATIONAL standard ....... If we are to have any chance in EVs being as good as Gas to the dumb consumer you better have a the very least a VERY well planned charge system .
Its not like you can use banana jacks and bare wire here .
If NIssan and chevy and toyota can all agreee ( what a concept Eh ! ) on a EV standard and Follow it to a T then so shal tesla ..
NOW I am very aware that the tesla sucks in a ton more power at super DC charge speeds ...........
the CHADAMA * the De dafcto DC charge Tier 3 standard ) plug is not gonna handle the needs of teh TESLA .
TESLAs reponce was :Ohh We include a dongle ..........
What is this a mac ! a dongle ?
Only RVs use Dongles ......
Why not put a SAE J1773 the De facto tier 2 and 1 standard ) On the side of the Mr super KW plug .LIke the LEAF does .
TESLA : We feel its too ulgy ......
Consumers are Idots ..... they are gonna forget there dongle !
and then what ? \
Its a car not a mac book pro . such a lame excuse .
also they REFUSE To let the rest of the EV world use there stations at a profit .
at this weak point in a very early stage of tech . the last thing you need to do is limit ANY part of adoption .
no one will want to deal with tesla if they are the snobby mac of the EV realm ...
* for the record ... at least the apple MAG-SAFE is a novel idea and has Real usess . unlike the very funky shaped DELL laptop DC jacks that only serve to make 3 party stuff locked out *
Peter, I have to agree those were two bad decision, and they will most likely come back to bite them later. Changing their stance on use of their stations may be relatively simple. Changing the charging connector not so easy.
Unfortunately this kind of “not invented here” attitude and the accompanying corporate arrogance is still fairly common, particularly with US based companies. It is unfortunate, and probably a contributing factor to the current economic difficulties.
Geez, that car [twizzy] is even uglier than the smart car....
Yep. The Smart is not ugly, it's just very boring. Except the roadster version may be.
So ugly it's kind of cute.
Exactly.
I love the vintage style mud guards. I love that you can charge it from a regular domestic socket. I'd love an open top version but I guess the roof is structural and the thing would collapse without it.
Toyota has made a tidy profit from buying Tesla stock, yet they don't think there's a real EV market. A Toyota salesman did tell me that the plug-in Prius ain't selling worth a lick.
Toyota has made a tidy profit from buying Tesla stock, yet they don't think there's a real EV market. A Toyota salesman did tell me that the plug-in Prius ain't selling worth a lick.
At no point does the article point out how used packs can be used for UPS and other stationary apps .
Like LEDs that take nasty things to make every new tech as issues .
People refuse to see the big picture .....
The power suppluy Be it coal or nuke.....
the life cycle of the batt and the disposal of the batt .
Leds are dirty too ,,,,, but they are Easy on the gird and have a long life span . total impact is LESS then a normal bulb.
*EVs are reusable ,,,, Beside the batt the tesla motor is rated at 3 MILLION miles .... That same Frame could last you decades or more .
*The envro cost to make more cars is low .....
Batt mining is dirty . So is oil and coal l........ ( pick your posion here )
*The disposal cost of batts is meduim as you can use the cells in non motive apps after they are too far gone for in car use . so you can get 2X the life outta a pack.
*The batts are some what recyclable .
A all Metal gas car is too but it runs on hydrocarbons so you eat the disposal in
the car being used vs its EOL .......
One must weigh Every factor to make a conclusion and there are far to many factors .
Its not cut and dry
Every car has a pro and con . and these news Geeks with NO formal training have been comparing minor issues not the big picture .
In the near term, I suspect that China's air pollution problem will begin to drive electric car sales there. With Iran now beginning to renew relations with the West, oil prices may come down for awhile. And Europeans and Americans are not quite ready to accept the limits of range and use availablity (due to charging cycle).
Meanwhile, TaiChung - one of Taiwan's major cities has just announced that all motors scooters will be required to be electric if registered within its city limitis by 2021. And of course, a protest followed. Electric motor scooter dealerships and more users are popping up here.
the plug in Prius is a Joke .... 10 or so miles till it hits gas mode .
Any one whom wants a true bi mode car will get a volt as 40 miles is way more useful then 10 .
10 miles is a bit low, but a 20 mile range would make it suitable for a lot of city commutes, particularly if it could be recharged at the destination. Thing is it needs to be small, light weight, and inexpensive to make a dent in that market.
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I'm not trying to be difficult... why don't you just build one?
What could possibly go wrong?
Ken has to be sick and tired hearing about the Prop2.
I'm thinking if you ask Parallax for special help, it will be forthcoming... not that forth... the other forth.
Before you know it, you will be selling parts to the rest of us.
I want an ErcoEV!!!
Rich
Excellent idea. Perhaps erco has run out of plywood.
Never mind the Tesla I was in Braunschweig last week and saw one of these http://www.renault.com/en/vehicules/aujourd-hui/renault-vehicules-electriques/pages/twizy.aspx sipping power from a charging station by the road in the middle of town. I want that.
Could be a bit of a challenge in the Scandinavian winters but I think it's manageable.
http://money.cnn.com/2013/08/20/autos/tesla-crash-test-score/index.html?hpt=hp_t3
Geez, that car is even uglier than the smart car. So ugly it's kind of cute.
What a great idea. Not only an ErcoEV, but an ErcoEV woodie. Something new and something old ;-)
I am gonna go out on a limb and say I am NOT impressed with the car ..
what One advantage does gas have over EVs ......... the gas cap ......
We have some how all agreed to use a hole in the side of the car and its all 100 % compatable .
Chevy did not make a square hole and a round nozzle .......
I had a 1on1 talk with some of the people at TESLA . and I was Really put off by a mistake they are VERY proud of .
Attachment not found. the CHDAMA and SAE tier3 and combo T2/T1 plugs .
Attachment not found. the TESLA port
SAE is a INTERNATIONAL standard ....... If we are to have any chance in EVs being as good as Gas to the dumb consumer you better have a the very least a VERY well planned charge system .
Its not like you can use banana jacks and bare wire here .
If NIssan and chevy and toyota can all agreee ( what a concept Eh ! ) on a EV standard and Follow it to a T then so shal tesla ..
NOW I am very aware that the tesla sucks in a ton more power at super DC charge speeds ...........
the CHADAMA * the De dafcto DC charge Tier 3 standard ) plug is not gonna handle the needs of teh TESLA .
TESLAs reponce was :Ohh We include a dongle ..........
What is this a mac ! a dongle ?
Only RVs use Dongles ......
Why not put a SAE J1773 the De facto tier 2 and 1 standard ) On the side of the Mr super KW plug .LIke the LEAF does .
TESLA : We feel its too ulgy ......
Consumers are Idots ..... they are gonna forget there dongle !
and then what ? \
Its a car not a mac book pro . such a lame excuse .
also they REFUSE To let the rest of the EV world use there stations at a profit .
at this weak point in a very early stage of tech . the last thing you need to do is limit ANY part of adoption .
no one will want to deal with tesla if they are the snobby mac of the EV realm ...
* for the record ... at least the apple MAG-SAFE is a novel idea and has Real usess . unlike the very funky shaped DELL laptop DC jacks that only serve to make 3 party stuff locked out *
Unfortunately this kind of “not invented here” attitude and the accompanying corporate arrogance is still fairly common, particularly with US based companies. It is unfortunate, and probably a contributing factor to the current economic difficulties.
Yep. The Smart is not ugly, it's just very boring. Except the roadster version may be.
Exactly.
I love the vintage style mud guards. I love that you can charge it from a regular domestic socket. I'd love an open top version but I guess the roof is structural and the thing would collapse without it.
http://blogs.wsj.com/japanrealtime/2013/10/01/toyota-on-all-electric-cars-we-do-not-believe-there-is-a-market/?mod=yahoo_hs
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jimhenry/2013/11/26/short-shelf-life-which-cars-and-trucks-depreciate-the-fastest/?partner=yahootix
the plug in Prius is a Joke .... 10 or so miles till it hits gas mode .
Any one whom wants a true bi mode car will get a volt as 40 miles is way more useful then 10 .
Yea I am not convinced .
At no point does the article point out how used packs can be used for UPS and other stationary apps .
Like LEDs that take nasty things to make every new tech as issues .
People refuse to see the big picture .....
The power suppluy Be it coal or nuke.....
the life cycle of the batt and the disposal of the batt .
Leds are dirty too ,,,,, but they are Easy on the gird and have a long life span . total impact is LESS then a normal bulb.
*EVs are reusable ,,,, Beside the batt the tesla motor is rated at 3 MILLION miles .... That same Frame could last you decades or more .
*The envro cost to make more cars is low .....
Batt mining is dirty . So is oil and coal l........ ( pick your posion here )
*The disposal cost of batts is meduim as you can use the cells in non motive apps after they are too far gone for in car use . so you can get 2X the life outta a pack.
*The batts are some what recyclable .
A all Metal gas car is too but it runs on hydrocarbons so you eat the disposal in
the car being used vs its EOL .......
One must weigh Every factor to make a conclusion and there are far to many factors .
Its not cut and dry
Every car has a pro and con . and these news Geeks with NO formal training have been comparing minor issues not the big picture .
Meanwhile, TaiChung - one of Taiwan's major cities has just announced that all motors scooters will be required to be electric if registered within its city limitis by 2021. And of course, a protest followed. Electric motor scooter dealerships and more users are popping up here.
10 miles is a bit low, but a 20 mile range would make it suitable for a lot of city commutes, particularly if it could be recharged at the destination. Thing is it needs to be small, light weight, and inexpensive to make a dent in that market.