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Propeller Mini

W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
edited 2013-07-01 22:16 in Propeller 1
Just received two Propeller Minis. I really like that they include three times as many header pins as are needed. I initially thought it was an error but both packages include not one but two 40 pin header strips. I can always use more of those things.

Can't help but wonder why a few more IO weren't brought out. Looks like six more would fit without increasing the size of the board.

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  • teganburnsteganburns Posts: 134
    edited 2013-06-15 23:53
    Thanks for the review i was thinking of buying a few!
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2013-06-22 10:19
    W9GFO wrote: »
    Just received two Propeller Minis. I really like that they include three times as many header pins as are needed. I initially thought it was an error but both packages include not one but two 40 pin header strips. I can always use more of those things.

    Can't help but wonder why a few more IO weren't brought out. Looks like six more would fit without increasing the size of the board.
    Weren't these originally $19.95? I just noticed that they're currently listed at $24.95.
  • lostcauzlostcauz Posts: 36
    edited 2013-06-22 10:35
    David Betz wrote: »
    Weren't these originally $19.95? I just noticed that they're currently listed at $24.95.
    I thought they were $19.95 or $19.99 the first time I saw them as well.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2013-06-22 10:40
    lostcauz wrote: »
    I thought they were $19.95 or $19.99 the first time I saw them as well.
    Maybe that was an introductory offer that has since expired.
  • pedwardpedward Posts: 1,642
    edited 2013-06-24 00:13
    They *were* $19.xx when announced...thought Ken had finally hit that magic number.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2013-06-26 06:06
    W9GFO wrote: »
    Can't help but wonder why a few more IO weren't brought out. Looks like six more would fit without increasing the size of the board.

    I was looking at these for my project, but I need all the pins. Is there any way to get at the rest?
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2013-06-26 06:16
    W9GFO wrote: »
    Can't help but wonder why a few more IO weren't brought out. Looks like six more would fit without increasing the size of the board.
    Maybe they wouldn't fit in standard IC sockets if the extra pins were added?
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-06-26 06:27
    I was looking at these for my project, but I need all the pins. Is there any way to get at the rest?

    There is always the Propstick
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2013-06-26 06:29
    pedward wrote: »
    They *were* $19.xx when announced...thought Ken had finally hit that magic number.

    Well, with a $13 labor and material cost (with no consideration to design NRE, tooling, stencil, documentation or support) it seems reasonable that we should be able to at least make the same margin that Wal-Mart would take on a toilet bowl brush, hence the small price increase to $24.99.
  • ctwardellctwardell Posts: 1,716
    edited 2013-06-26 06:41
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    ...it seems reasonable that we should be able to at least make the same margin that Wal-Mart would take on a toilet bowl brush...

    I like that statement Ken, I may need to borrow it in future negotiations with clients.

    C.W.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2013-06-26 06:47
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    Well, with a $13 labor and material cost (with no consideration to design NRE, tooling, stencil, documentation or support) it seems reasonable that we should be able to at least make the same margin that Wal-Mart would take on a toilet bowl brush, hence the small price increase to $24.99.
    Seems very reasonable. You were also generous in offering it initially at a lower price for early adopters.
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2013-06-26 10:17
    I was looking at these for my project, but I need all the pins. Is there any way to get at the rest?

    My M44D40+ module / PowerTwig combo give you the same results plus all IO in a standard Prop DIP40 pinout. See post #7 on this thread for a picture and details.


    I should have some details next week of a project where I put Parallax's Propeller Mini to work. The smaller form factor is excellent when you don't need all the pins. (the project only needs 14 and I want it super small)
  • pedwardpedward Posts: 1,642
    edited 2013-06-26 17:07
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    Well, with a $13 labor and material cost (with no consideration to design NRE, tooling, stencil, documentation or support) it seems reasonable that we should be able to at least make the same margin that Wal-Mart would take on a toilet bowl brush, hence the small price increase to $24.99.

    I originally thought you'd figured out some magic to make them at $20 each, but it seems that wasn't really doable.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2013-06-26 17:19
    pedward wrote: »
    I originally thought you'd figured out some magic to make them at $20 each, but it seems that wasn't really doable.
    $25 is still pretty good given that a BS2 module is $50.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-06-26 20:14
    @Ken Gracey, I just wanted to say I LOVE the new Avatar. I'm thinking of changing mine to the other end!!! And as far as the price increase, don't sweat the small stuff. Being self employed when I decide I need a raise, I just do it and in 15 years I have never had a client complain about it. I have only raised my prices to adjust for COLA plus 3% which I feel is reasonable.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2013-06-26 20:57
    NWCCTV wrote: »
    @Ken Gracey, I just wanted to say I LOVE the new Avatar. I'm thinking of changing mine to the other end!!! And as far as the price increase, don't sweat the small stuff. Being self employed when I decide I need a raise, I just do it and in 15 years I have never had a client complain about it. I have only raised my prices to adjust for COLA plus 3% which I feel is reasonable.

    I debated doing the same with the avatar, but left the horse's rear end open for others. Have at it!

    Inside Parallax we sweat prices too much. Problem is, we keep thinking that we have to compare price-wise to Arduino (open source, licensed - made for very low margins) and RasPi (non-profit company). But we have 42 salaries, and more importantly a thriving R&D investment that has to be fed on a daily basis. But this kind of business model will let us leap beyond what currently exists as competition, and bring our customers the next generation product that's far ahead of what we're seeing on the market today.
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2013-06-27 05:17
    Ken,
    I would much rather pay more for a well-documented product, rather than pay less for something with poor documentation.

    I remember getting my first BS2 and the book (the old one that had both the BS1 and BS2 commands, spiral-bound, red cover) and seeing all the example projects. I was so excited to start using it, the price didn't even come into my mind.
    I'm not sure who wrote that manual, but it was really good. I wish the propeller had a manual like that one.

    Bean
  • vanmunchvanmunch Posts: 568
    edited 2013-07-01 20:19
    Bean wrote: »
    Ken,
    I would much rather pay more for a well-documented product, rather than pay less for something with poor documentation.
    Bean

    Same here. Your documentation and code examples/ theory of operation really gives depth to each product. Lots of people will make a tutorial for basic blinkers and "Hello world" but you guys write text books and that's why I choose the BS2 5-6 years ago instead of something else. Deep waters and all of that. ;)
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2013-07-01 22:16
    The Propeller Mini is a great addition for Parallax.

    If you need all the I/O and small, my CpuBlade is 1"sq and brings all pins out, has an optional onboard 3v3 regulator from 5v, and has an optional transistor reset circuit. Plus I regularly overclock to 104MHz using 6.5MHz xtal.
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