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After seeing this plane tickets to Russia are looking pretty tasty!

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  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-07-07 08:34
    Somewhat amusing fake stuff.

    Real copter, fake gun + lots of squibs and pyros to impress the gullible.

    Looking at the so-called gun, he took some plastic replica and cut off the last foot of it and mounted it. No receiver, ammo belt, clip or drum. It's clear the author of the video thinks his viewers are total couch spuds who get their idea of weapons from playing video games.

    He does seem to be real to a extent his company sells a very over priced pimped DIY mod kit for M-14's. Looks cheap and flimsy though. He won't do a drop test onto concrete, sand or mud on video. Quite dishonest.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-07 11:38
    Here is some more discussion about the CGI copter and gun;

    http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1639096
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-07-07 11:49
    Anyone who thinks it's real is a moron.
    'Makes me appreciate all the more the civility of our forum! :)

    -Phil
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-07-07 11:54
    W9GFO's link to rcgroups pretty much demolishes the video.

    Still it's impressive what someone can do with a home pc and special effects s/w. It's about on par with the shoddy sci-fi shows that come on one of the cable channels.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-07 12:03
    Here is some more evidence that the copter is CGI

    CGI copter.jpg


    All the propellers turn the same direction.

    And look at the motors tilt!

    CGIcopter02.jpg


    Watch the video at 1:45 and pay attention to the tilting of the rotors and the wallowing. It is a good approximation of something flying but it is clearly (to me) something animated by someone that only had an idea of how things fly.

    Oh, before someone says that it is okay that the props all turn the same direction because it is actually controlled by tilting the rotors rather than by the standard way of varying the torque of the motors.

    1. The tilting is waaay too slow to be useful for making attitude corrections.

    2. There is no mechanism for affecting the tilting

    3. Very impractical method of control.
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  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-07 12:05
    'Makes me appreciate all the more the civility of our forum! :)

    -Phil

    We have to be civil, there's a fair chance we may meet face to face. :)
  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2012-07-07 21:19
    This forum is pretty civil. Except that Xanadu guy!

    A lot of people could build a real version of this, so the video is easy to believe. When I first watched it I believed, not because of the CGI just because I know it is possible to do something like this. Once you see how careless Dmitri is with it, the creationists must accept a reminder why they do not build systems like this in real life.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-07-08 01:35
    CGI or not, it inspires someone to find a way to do it in reality. Thus begins another weapons system and related security issues.

    It is not so much that it is real, it is plausible - just a step away from becoming real.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-07-08 02:03
    Interesting project we have here now.

    I guess it will lead to the same issues that Bruce Simpson had with his "Do It Yourself Cruise Missile Project" http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-07-08 07:03
    A chilling thought would be to see one fitted with a laser sighted 9mm pistol paused outside your high-rise window. In a CGI urban warfare game characters would shoot at it from various floors. In reality I think they themselves would be targets. I'm sure some company is trying to put together a video game.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-07-08 08:00
    lardom wrote: »
    I'm sure some company is trying to put together a video game.

    I'm sure some "company" has put together the prototype of the real deal.
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-07-08 10:23
    I don't think it could ever be a serious threat because it makes noise and it's too easy to spot it. On the other hand it is Orwellian
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-07-08 10:30
    It would sure be nice to have even a fake one. Some of the houses down the street could use a "Rude Awakening"!!!
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-08 11:35
    There is a video out there of a guy who put a real machine gun on a real RC helicopter. So, it's already been done.
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-07-08 11:45
    lardom wrote: »
    I don't think it could ever be a serious threat because it makes noise and it's too easy to spot it. On the other hand it is Orwellian
    Really? Want to test that theory? I think somebody skilled with one of these could pop you pretty quickly even if you did know where it was. Who is to say it doesn't have auto aim as well?
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-07-08 14:35
    Todec

    The problem is, is that real world physics interferes with fantasy gun play and geeky wonders. Yes you can mount a MG on a helicopter but it's gonna be big and loud with a lot of prop wash. Oh yeah then there is the recoil from the gun which is brutal. You only get the initial burst and that's it. Now it might work if you are intent on killing some lumpen prole watching the telly but not on bad guys who are keyed up and ready to move when they hear sounds that shouldn't be there.

    And if it's remote controlled, the signals can either be hacked or jammed quite easily turning the death drone into a expensive tinker toy. It's visual sensor can be blinded as well with COTS equipment.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-07-08 20:13
    "lumpen prole watching the telly' and "Antelope Valley, California"? There's a cultural mismatch here that begs explanation. :)

    -Phl
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-07-08 20:26
    tobdec wrote: »
    Who is to say it doesn't have auto aim as well?

    Oh, just drink the Kool-aid and wear your government-issued RFID necklace. Everything is as it should be!
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-07-08 22:31
    Ok I understand why it would.be tough to use in real life. But your not prepared your sitting in front of your computer replying to my post....and all of the sudden this thing shoots out the window and flies in.....you won't have time to turn on any jammer or even think.....your going to run. This would be highly dangerous no matter if its a hacked together toy or military grade. It only takes one bullet to kill you how many will you let get fired at you before you run...I would be willing to bet no more than 3.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-07-09 09:20
    The best defense is to keep a ball of yarn with you at all times to toss at the offending quadrotor. At Parallax Expo, Rich (a very experienced R/C flier) had his Quadrotor downed when he cut the balloon string and it wrapped around a motor shaft.

    Better yet, have loose strands of monofilament or fishing leader hanging down from your ceiling at regular intervals. An impenetrable minefield for any quadrotor ne'er do well.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-07-09 09:23
    Nah, have your counter attack drones on alert all the time. They will keep the pesky birds away whilst waiting for a real attack.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-07-09 10:10
    Wow! Talk about unnerving!! Can you imagine sitting there in Facebook playing FarmVille when your home defense systems tweets a change in your DEFCON level and your Facebook status changes to "under attack"??
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-07-09 10:15
    tobdec wrote: »
    Ok I understand why it would.be tough to use in real life. But your not prepared your sitting in front of your computer replying to my post....and all of the sudden this thing shoots out the window and flies in.....you won't have time to turn on any jammer or even think.....your going to run. This would be highly dangerous no matter if its a hacked together toy or military grade. It only takes one bullet to kill you how many will you let get fired at you before you run...I would be willing to bet no more than 3.

    I would soil myself, plain and simple. :smile: I'm a pretty harmless guy and anyone who actually wanted to take me out could do it fairly easily. You could put a small four-wheeled robot into a low power state until I walked by...
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-07-09 11:30
    Strangly enough there weren't many flying bots in Robocalypse.......theres something they aren't telling us.......Erco!!!! we needs counter quads made of Balsa wood! Sorry...plywood is too heavy to flyz
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-07-09 13:20
    tobdec wrote: »
    Sorry...plywood is too heavy to flyz

    Nonsense! :)http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?141072-Get-Your-5-Quadrotor-Frame-On
  • ctwardellctwardell Posts: 1,716
    edited 2012-07-09 13:26
    tobdec wrote: »
    Sorry...plywood is too heavy to flyz

    The extra weight helps with the recoil...

    C.W.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-07-09 13:43
    Ok, (being a woodie myself) I'll grant you the flying plywood but can relays flap wings fast enough to generate lift?? :lol:
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-07-09 14:09
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-07-09 17:40
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  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2012-07-09 19:01
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    Wood can fly...:thumb:



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