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Mars lander or Mars crasher?

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  • Mike4421Mike4421 Posts: 131
    edited 2012-06-24 15:37
    sounds fun tobdec, but I'm sure most of us have busy schedules to do complex projects, lets let the Phd's do all the hard work... :)
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2012-06-24 17:18
    There is a NASA program that's investigating an airplane that would fly on Mars -- http://marsairplane.larc.nasa.gov/ . The Mars atmospheric pressure is similar to that at 100,000 feet on Earth. Weather balloons routinely fly up to 100,000 feet and higher, so it's conceivable that a balloon could fly in the Martian atmosphere. However, a balloon would have to be very large to lift a substantial amount of weight. I think it's around 100 cubic meters per kilogram at 100,000 feet on Earth. It would be slightly less on Mars because of the lower gravity.
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2012-06-24 17:44
    They are so concerned with the dust upon landing... the first Mars dust storm would essentially be game over.

    Why not just worry about landing and apply a self cleaning design from the very beginning?
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2012-06-24 17:59
    For the truly "curious" here are two videos of the landing system tests. The first is in a lab, the second is real "world" testing in the Mojave. I don't think they would send it if they hadn't tested it :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YasCQRAWRwU
    http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/18282924
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-06-24 18:43
    Dave Hein wrote: »
    ... The Mars atmospheric pressure is similar to that at 100,000 feet on Earth. Weather balloons routinely fly up to 100,000 feet and higher, so it's conceivable that a balloon could fly in the Martian atmosphere. ....

    What would happen to a large balloon coming in to the atmosphere from space? Would it burn up same as a meteor or could it be made to skip and roll around on the outer atmosphere for a while?
  • Mike4421Mike4421 Posts: 131
    edited 2012-06-24 19:04
    wow, this is great... a rover, and a Mars jet.... we just need a Maitenace Stations for the Mars Robot... although it would be a heavy piecr of equipment it can be specific to a job;.... one for machining, one for storage, one earth science, one for refueling, one for melting all the scrap alloy used for the crash cushion in the landing... if crash landing is used.......

    yeah I'm wishfull thinking, again... :)

    These Science guys have all the fun...
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2012-06-24 19:54
    What would happen to a large balloon coming in to the atmosphere from space? Would it burn up same as a meteor or could it be made to skip and roll around on the outer atmosphere for a while?
    The balloon would have to be inflated after the spacecraft was slowed down to about 10 MPH, first by parachute, and then by a rocket. It probably wouldn't make sense for landing, but it might be useful to deploy after landing for atmospheric studies and aerial surveillance.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-06-24 20:03
    What would happen to a large balloon coming in to the atmosphere from space? Would it burn up same as a meteor or could it be made to skip and roll around on the outer atmosphere for a while?

    A big problem is the size of envelope that would be required. For a 1000kg payload the balloon would need to be almost 70,000 cubic meters (about 150ft diameter) - and that's at ground level. Up high in the atmosphere it be would much larger. An envelope of that size (~ 30,000 yards of material) durable enough to survive reentry is going to weigh a bit.
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2012-06-25 01:54
    what i was saying earlier is this vehicle larger ,heavier than the vikings which landed safely?
  • OppaErichOppaErich Posts: 48
    edited 2012-06-25 02:47
    erco wrote: »
    Actually, 21 seconds into the video, it says "500,000 LINES OF COD3".
    They stole 500,000 lines from Call of Duty 3 ? :lol:
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-06-25 03:58
    skylight wrote: »
    what i was saying earlier is this vehicle larger ,heavier than the vikings which landed safely?

    It is roughly twice as heavy.

    Curiosity

    V
    iking
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2012-06-25 05:00
    W9GFO wrote: »
    It is roughly twice as heavy.

    Curiosity

    V
    iking
    ah thanks that explains why
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