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My Calculus Professor denied me of my DSPS accommodation for video recorded lectures

Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
edited 2012-05-22 08:48 in General Discussion
I was given the accommodation for video recording what occurs at the white board only by
my Disabled Student Programs & Services (DSPS) counselor. My counselor worked in
cooperation with the previous Math Chair. But my Calc1B professor, the current Math
Chair, and the teachers union have blocked the accommodation.

I am trying to understand why so many math professors seem to be adamantly against video
recording the white board only, or supplying files from a Hitachi Star Board? These days a
professor could easily be recorded without their knowledge by a cell phone, and without any
rules or guidelines for video recording a professor could easily end up on You Tube.

My learning disability (LD) is caused by visual processing speed deficits, and these deficits
prevent me from taking adequate notes during lecture.

Because of the extreme amount of time it takes for me to comprehend a section, and
complete the homework, there is no time left to develop recognition techniques gained
by repetition. So for me, and others with similar LD's, the lecture is the only chance
to catch what the professor is trying to emphasize before a test.

I know I have rights regarding reasonable accommodations, and that video recording a
math lecture for my LD is considered reasonable. But I am looking for opinions from people
that do not support accommodations like video recording lectures to gain a different perspective.

Or possibly opinions regarding the idea that; my right to accommodations is, or is not greater than a teachers right to academic freedom

Thanks

Bill M.
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  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2012-05-12 18:27
    Have you asked them why? I, for one, would be very curious about their answer.
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-05-12 18:30
    Bill,
    The prof does not fully understand the legal exposure he presents to the school. Yes, you have rights under ADA to reasonable accomodations. You probably have noticed in some classes that some students have professional note takers assigned to them. This may be a better option than filming as you would not have to slog through the slag to get to the nuggets you need. Oh, it took me four tries for various reasons to complete calc1.

    As to the exposure, for him or the school to deny you reasonable accomodation (should film be considered reasonable), you could actually suggest that the arbitrary and capricious denial of your rights as defined under ADA could be a form of discrimination and constitutes a violation of your civil rights. Could get costly for them to defend, and also jeopardizes any federal funding they may otherwise be receiving. Your cost to bring action could be little if a civil / disabilities law organization takes your case to quite expensive and drawn out. The advantage the school will have is time. They can drag their feet legally for years, you need the training now. Pick your battles and resources carefully.

    As the parents of a child with autism, we have seen s$#*t like this a lot. Just need to decide when the fight is worth it. Ask for everything, expect nothing, and fight for what you really need. Think way out of the norm when looking for alternative resources, stuff like MIT classes on line for free were not available 15 years ago.

    Have you looked at any of the MIT opencourseware as a supplement to what you get in class? There is a whole calc series as well as a great crash review that dates from the late '50s and the prof is really really good.

    Good luck,

    Frank


    Why am I not surprised to see some a$$h0le union putz involved in this?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-05-12 18:52
    Bill,

    I can't begin to relate to your particular needs and can only imagine the difficulties you face, so my advice must be limited. One thing I am sure of, though, is that note-taking during a lecture is way over-rated and, IMO, interferes with comprehension. (It's probably one reason that jurors at a trial are forbidden to take notes during testimony.) To me, an emphasis on taking notes is like going on vacation and busying yourself so much with snapping pictures and buying souvenirs that you forget to enjoy the trip. So my advice is to relax and not to sweat the note-taking. After all, your prof is not presenting material that's unique or ground-breaking. There are plenty of ancillary materials available to bring you up to speed after the lecture and fill any gaps left in your comprehension of the lecture materials. Once particular source worth considering is Khan Academy:

    This website offers extensive presentations on calculus, which you can play, rewind, and review as often as necessary, at a speed that's comfortable.

    I wish you luck in your studies, as well as in obtaining the accommodations that are rightly yours. But should you be less than satisfied with the latter, there are other resources out there that have your back.

    -Phil
  • Invent-O-DocInvent-O-Doc Posts: 768
    edited 2012-05-12 19:14
    Although there may be laws that provide for accommodations, perhaps you should consider your Professor's feelings?

    I recommend that you ask him why and look for an alternative. He may have just as valid as a reason as you for wanting it. Besides, are you really likely to get useful data from the chalkboard that you can't find something better of in a book or workbook?
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2012-05-12 19:23
    While I personally don't mind being video recorded during class lecture, the nature of my business is against doing so. We (the company for which I work) charge for the classes, and do not wish "bootleg" copies floating about. I don't know if your school is private or public, or if there's any possibility of that getting in the way.

    The prof may just abhore being recorded...becuase it's for-eaaaa-ver! (channeling "The Sand Lot")

    As others have suggested, ask why. Then you'll know and can approach the situation well armed.
  • jrjr.jrjr. Posts: 45
    edited 2012-05-12 19:29
    It's easy to understand.

    He doesn't want you to record the lecture ending in the sign inversion he can't find.

    jack
  • Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
    edited 2012-05-12 19:54
    Frank, you are 100% correct, and because the civil rights issue real, I want to understand
    why the math department, and the teachers union have taken this position.

    I believe they are being sympathetic to my professor, and so am I, because she has Aspergers.
    But the Math Chair, and much of the department is against video recording anyway. Something
    I found out the hard way in previous Calc classes.

    They negotiated another accommodation to replace the video recording by supplying a tutor that
    accompanied me in class, scribes my notes, and tutors me directly after the class using the lecture
    notes. A decent accommodation, except my Calc1B professor, with the support of the Chair and
    union have sought to control this accommodation further by insisting on an inadequate tutor.

    Again, I believe (by her reactions) that she is afraid of most men, and that is why she is insisting
    on a certain tutor. Unfortunately for me, her choice for tutor has never worked well for me. But there
    is another tutor the DSPS hired, that has helped me more than anybody.

    Unfortunately the negotiated accommodation is only as effective as the abilities of the tutor. His
    scribing skills are actually worse than mine. But my understanding is, that there is no civil rights
    violation when a college doesn't provide you a choice for tutors. If that is true, they have
    successfully circumvented the entire accommodation.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-05-12 20:49
    ...

    They negotiated another accommodation to replace the video recording by supplying a tutor that
    accompanied me in class....

    Is it possible that this is a political issue regarding their concerns that their tutoring program will be eradicated and replaced with video cams? In other words, is it possible they are not so much afraid of your video taping their lectures as they are your not utilizing a tutoring position for which they receive funds?

    Not to change the subject, but aren't video cameras pretty small these days?
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-05-12 21:38
    @ -Doc,
    The professors feelings count only to the point they agree to take a paycheck to perform a task. I would have to ask if the instructor is afraid of appearing less than competent. Would not have to be the case, but presentation does make a difference. That being said, what is the difference of being on media as opposed to the mental pictures of 30+ students who each will have their own opinion. What comes off the chalkboard and into note form are possible techniques and clarifications to what may be in the actual text, maybe explained differently.

    @davejames,
    As an instructor with Siemens Medical Systems for a number of years (80's and 90's) it never really crossed my mind about being recorded. I think if a student had recorded say a training class and posted it or lent it around to inhouse engineers, all heck would have broken loose. But seriously, a calc class? There is nothing proprietary or new under the sun, they are pennies to the dozen...... MIT has the best of them for downloading. With notes, recitations and all.....

    Bill,
    JrJr sounds as cynical as I would have been initially had you not mentioned your teachers own challenges. Believe me when they say the apple does not fall far from the tree here. I can see so many of my own quirks in my son. If you have seen Rainman, you have seen only one (composite caricature?) person on the spectrum. No two are alike, I can tell much more quickly now than before when someone is on the spectrum, but each is unique. Same for Aspergers; many different quirks. May explain the profs quirks as well. As to the note taker/tutor, I believe the law implies an expectation of competency, question here would be who makes the determination. Maybe explain to them how much more expensive it will be if all you need pay is tuition and books while they must continue to pay the notetaker/tutor if you have to repeat the course again a time or two should the tutor be unable to assist you in mastering the material you need to move on to the next level of study.

    You can win, just need to be a bit creative at times....

    Or at least making them understand that doing the right thing is much more cost effective than not......

    Good luck,

    Frank
  • Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
    edited 2012-05-12 22:02
    Similar to what DaveJames said: many teachers don't want to end up on You Tube, even though
    anybody with a cell phone could do it.

    Also it is like training your replacement. Once the school has the video, why do they need the
    teacher anymore? Or if they made the video available to the entire class, why would the students
    even bother to show up. Especially since they would be able to download it later in the day. They
    also have issues with the intellectual property value of their lectures.

    You might think these are extreme views, but I have heard these opinions at Riverside City College
    and UC Riverside. I have always asked about this in the context as an accommodation, because I
    have researched it before I asked. But it's possible they are just scared of change.

    Phil: Your right about Khan Academy. It's an excellent source.
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-05-12 22:03
    Hmmm my reactions would be to litteraly sit that professor down and straight up ask her.....to be as honest as possible and that you can handle the truth as to why she won't allow video recording of her lectures. In my experience this has worked much better in practice than any legal threats or actions brought about or otherwise imposed in any way. Coming from a family where I am the oldest and having 2 siblings directly under me with mental disabilities I can "somewhat" relate to how you feel. I was always the one who had to go and talk these sort of issues out with teachers and principles...that also had control over my academics as well. Honestly my advice is try to get on her level.....in my experience there is no better way to do this most of the time than with music...talk about music see what she enjoys and start from there. Most people in my experience that are capable of opening up to somebody about music will open up about alot of other issues and may even make an exception for you. This is just my two cents, however I wish you the best of luck in your academic ventures.....and as others have said before...cameras are very small these days..and well this forum may just be able to make the smallest a little smaller. Goodluck buddy!
  • Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
    edited 2012-05-12 23:23
    Frank, When it comes to my RCC tutor, he fits somewhere in the autistic spectrum, and
    so is my preferred DSPS tutor. Both of them have social deficiencies, and they both excel
    at math. The RCC tutor has a bachelors, and my preferred DSPS tutor has a masters, with
    teaching experience, but he has never worked on the RCC campus before.

    On paper, they are both competent. But the tutor they gave me (the RCC tutor) is well known
    on campus and is considered their best tutor. He has been my tutor twice, the first time was
    over a year ago. He was ineffective as a tutor for me, back then, and now.

    I have been in the process of writing a civil rights complaint to the Department of Education.
    But I am stuck. I have written a good list of arguments, and mostly a good account of the events.
    Except I don't know how to recount why the RCC tutor was ineffective. In my own opinion, it is
    because we are both introverts. The DSPS tutor that works for me is an extrovert.

    I believe it's that simple. Also the RCC tutor is a constant reminder of how I may of acted when
    I was his age. Do you think my explanation is sufficient? I think if I tried to explain it better, I would
    just be talking out my butt.

    Thanks
  • Capt. QuirkCapt. Quirk Posts: 872
    edited 2012-05-12 23:53
    Tobdec: I wish I could sit down with her and talk about this reasonably (I have already tried), but she has developed
    her own coping skills for her disorder. In order for her to remain focused on acting professional, she shuts everything
    else out, and answers only math problems. This is a bit simplified, but it's not far from the truth.
  • tobdectobdec Posts: 267
    edited 2012-05-13 00:13
    Tobdec: I wish I could sit down with her and talk about this reasonably (I have already tried), but she has developed
    her own coping skills for her disorder. In order for her to remain focused on acting professional, she shuts everything
    else out, and answers only math problems. This is a bit simplified, but it's not far from the truth.
    In all honesty I have nothing against ppl with disorders but with that sort of behavior going on maybe she shouldn't be teaching...Im sure your paying alot for a good education and it sounds like your damn serious about it...its this sort of behavior that gets you a low return for your money. My gf stays up countless nights trying to get her hw done for her classes and sometimes her professors are very unreasonable in this sort of way....they simply don't care to do anything at all but teach...they have no desire to actually pass on knowledge. Unfortunately for some its a job not a passion, in teaching you need to actualy have a passion not a job...otherwise your wasting the student's time and money...and nobody appreciates that. Its a struggle out there getting a good education....so far and this may sound crazy but ive had better luck teaching myself lol...although there isn't a degree for that.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-05-13 02:01
    This is a sad story to hear for me because my calc lecturer, with chalk and black board back in 1974, was the best lecturer in anything I ever had. Always clear, methodical and precise with infinite patience to make sure everyone in the group understood where we were before moving on to the next step or topic. He had brilliant teaching techniques like: If you were a few minutes late to class he would pick on you as you came in through the door to answere a question about whatever was appearing on the board at that moment. You soon learned not to be late:) When it came to actual arithmetic to get a result he could get there in his head faster than all us guys with calculators...

    I wish I had some videos of that guy, he would show how it should be done.
    However a video is not a replacement for the real thing because the real thing is a two way communication between teacher and students.

    I'm generally against the note taking idea. It actually diverts your train of
    thought from the flow of the topic at the time and makes it harder to keep up in real time and enjoy the journey.

    That is of course if you know the information presented is also available
    elsewhere, a particular chapter of a particular book or previously recorded
    video lecture. After all memory fades and you need to revise the material again and again over time later.

    One of my other favorite lectures, in statistical mechanics, gave out photo
    copied notes at the start of each lecture so there was little need to write
    anything yourself, just absorb what he had to say in the lecture confident that it is all in the notes if you forget anything. He said "I have no book recommendation for this course because I have not written it yet!". Those notes were his book in progress.

    I don't think it's right to force videoing on teachers. It is their day job.
    Would you want to be videoed at every moment of your working day in the
    cubical? I think not.

    Ideally you could skip the video and the professional note takers and just have competent teachers.

    Can't recommend the Khan Academy highly enough. The enthusiasm of that guy is infectious.

    Any, that was a long anecdotal post, good luck with your studies.
  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2012-05-13 08:23
    I help a friend who is borderline developmentally disabled and who can't learn, read, or write very well. This is out in the "adult world".

    EVERYBODY from every agency/business you can imagine bends over backwards to allow me to help him with paperwork, business, and legal matters. I need to read him things and explain in simple terms what it means and help him fill out paperwork.

    He even had a court case where the judge saved his case to last so the court room would be empty. Then the judge went way out of her way to allow me to help remind my friend of various facts via asking him "reminder questions". (He has trouble with memory as well.) And the district attorney even met with us after the court case and gave us helpful advice for 20 minutes. Imagine that! Note this did not alter his responsibilities any so far as the case went, but I was allowed to help him "communicate" the facts.

    So far as your situation, I am astounded at the response of these people to not allow you a simple accommodation! Although I have seen schools come out with ridiculous rules and decisions before.

    Anyway when you get out in to the "real world", things will be MUCH better! Most people are helpful and accommodating in my experience.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-05-13 08:43
    I believe they are being sympathetic to my professor, and so am I, because she has Aspergers.


    I have Aspergers I would care less If I Was taped.

    Mind I am on the radio and work in theartre to.


    I was In SoCal from 2000 to 09. In that time I had to deal with the DSPS as my HS and at my CC ( MtSAC)

    I know Of RCC and UC RVSD

    Trust me It was a war every year with TONS of paper work ..
    I can't Write. disgraphia . the lesser known offspring of dyslexia ..
    So I too have the same issue with class notes .

    At UNI In Iowa .
    Our college uses a DaLight video cam in to a DLP projector . she ( the Proff) uses normal paper..
    So I use a hand held scanner and wave my wand and presto ! I have HUGE JPGs of the notes.
    In math the WAY( steps) is very important so I agreee a video is worth a TON of scans

    Ill PM you the way to fix this as its some what confidential ...

    My dad is a Dean of a Major University .He has helped me by offering insights in to how any good college runs Policy .


    do you have a AB 2622 or a IEP on paper .. this is a good start . then a KEY is "proveing" what works for you .
    For me If can use MY laptop and MY printer I dont EVER need more test time OR outside help .. ( less resources from them )

    Any competent DSPS wants to see you Grad and get on with life and is willing to make adjusemtns to make this feasable .

    it would please them( DSPS) to no end to not need them, .. most are over booked any ways . and If there is a way to be self contaned . they will jump on this .

    They negotiated another accommodation to replace the video recording by supplying a tutor that
    accompanied me in class, scribes my notes, and tutors me directly after the class using the lecture
    notes. A decent accommodation, except my Calc1B professor, with the support of the Chair and
    union have sought to control this accommodation further by insisting on an inadequate tutor.




    You must prove to them .. You Don't learn this new way . . simple .


    I do VERY well at some forms and not at others.
    its what works for you ..
    I don't think it's right to force videoing on teachers. It is their day job.
    Would you want to be videoed at every moment of your working day in the
    cubical? I think not.

    Heater .. you make a choice being a teacher . no reasonable person would expect Mr Cook here at Parallax to be filmed on a day to day basis for public viewing while he does tech support . ( perhaps for a training vid for in house use ?)

    A Police Officer is Outside and there job is taped all the time .. A Teacher in a modern world who knows education policy Should know that there job might put them in that situation..


    I have seriously considerd teaching at a CC . but I know From my past Proffs that the Unions they are involved with are against my way of how I want to be hired and fired . yu want to be in one fine . but dont force me to be in one to get a job . that and the politics drama for teaching is not too appealing .

    I have here at UNI and at IHCC filled in for my Proff and did a solder class at both places ..


    so far and this may sound crazy but ive had better luck teaching myself lol...although there isn't a degree for that.

    tobdec Me too. HS was just useless to me, Heck I was on Discovercircuits.com and go so much out of just reading circuits .

    only the Moule was what I remember 6.022x10e-23 ..

    Similar to what DaveJames said: many teachers don't want to end up on You Tube, even though
    anybody with a cell phone could do it.

    Also it is like training your replacement. Once the school has the video, why do they need the
    teacher anymore? Or if they made the video available to the entire class, why would the students
    even bother to show up. Especially since they would be able to download it later in the day. They
    also have issues with the intellectual property value of their lectures.

    You might think these are extreme views, but I have heard these opinions at Riverside City College
    and UC Riverside. I have always asked about this in the context as an accommodation, because I
    have researched it before I asked. But it's possible they are just scared of change



    the IP issue is a issue . and its simple.. If you pose on a site.. you get sued . when I audio taped the class I was my freshman year I was told to not distribute it . simple .. that said you CAN transpose then if its not agants the college policy compare PAPER notes you type or jot down . ( VIA VOICE does this OK .


    Peter
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-05-13 09:38
    Hey Bill,

    Be careful how you write this up. I would not dwell on their characteristics of intro/extrovert. That probably will not go very far. Rather look under the surface yours and theirs and see if you can identify the actual step/skills/styles which worked for you. Positively identifying the skills which make the difference will both help your understanding of how you learn as well as taking your argument with the tutors to concrete reasons why their skills do or do not help you.
    Oh well, kiddos crapple ipad won't see the net. Go figure,

    Later,
    FF
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-05-13 13:31
    Peter KG6LSE
    Heater .. you make a choice being a teacher...

    Yes indeed. However most teachers did not and should not be expected to sign up as public performers. In fact I would suggest that a teacher/lecturer imparting his/her knowledge, experience and enthusiasm to a group of 20/30 students is a rather intimate and personal experience that involves building trust, respect and confidence between all involved. It is not at all "public".

    In the modern world what is videoed by a student one minute can be all around the world a minute later. I don't believe a teacher should be subjected to that.

    By the way, this may or may not be true but, I have read of people having serious problems attempting to video the police going about their "public" duty.

    Now, I'm not sure what mental problems we are dealing with here but here is mine. My whole life I have been extremely shy. I could do anything and say anything among people I know but put me in front of an audience of unknowns and I would freeze in panic. A microphone or camera was out of the question. It's only after I hit middle age that I started to relax with that and realize it was a non-problem all along. Perhaps your teachers have the same issues.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2012-05-13 18:43
    CQ, as you have specified the disability and how it relates to your academic success, they only have to accommodate the difficulty in note taking, not for the overall learning disorder. As UCR is a UC, you can apply to the student regent to rehear your complaints. You will need to cite the related California or federal law(s) you think are being broken or dismissed. UCR will also have an Office of the Ombuds somewhere on campus. There is no point in taking this up with faculty. In most cases, teachers are within their rights to disallow video and/or audio recordings, even in state funded schools. The alternative accommodations -- which actually cost them more money -- is an attempt to reconcile everyone's rights.

    If the note taker assigned to you proved to be ineffective, you are within your rights to object to his/her performance, and ask for a replacement. Note taking is not subjective, though tutoring is. You can show how the note taking is sub-standard or inadequate.

    Perhaps you could reach an accommodation with this instructor, perhaps agreeing that the video tapes/clips will remain in a study hall on campus, and will not be copied. You will have access to the materials in such a way that allows you take notes at whatever speed is suitable for you.

    Do note that the above is not legal advice.

    -- Gordon
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-05-13 19:40
    Once the school has the video, why do they need the
    teacher anymore? Or if they made the video available to the entire class, why would the students
    even bother to show up.

    This is interesting. Why would anybody go to a concert when one could buy the album? (Note of kids - before MP3's there were CD's, and before CD's there were vinyl "albums", actual analog recordings).
    Why would anyone read a novel when they could get Cliff Notes? Anyone that asks this question lacks understanding of the value of the experience. Anyone that feel threatened by this question is insecure and is possibly a poor presenter.

    You go to Vegas to see Sinatra because its Sinatra, and when he's dead you can't. You don't see Neil Diamond because you didn't like the song in the first place.

    Some of the lecturers at MIT on You Tube are Rock Stars.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJV8CHIqFc
    This is a joy to be shared with as many folks as possible.

    Other folks give presentations where you'd gnaw your own arm off if you could escape. we often find these are project management meetings in most companies I've worked for.

    We talked about this in the knowledge <> power thread. Some folks are good are sharing, other just aren't. Both sides think they are helping matters. I tend to agree.

    I think you are on to something important here. There is a perceived conflict, because the goals seem in conflict. What I usually do is try to determine how can the issue be stated so there is a mutually beneficial goal. Then leave it to the folks with strong opinions, they do the hard parts.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-05-13 20:24
    Heater. wrote: »
    However most teachers did not and should not be expected to sign up as public performers....It is not at all "public". .. around the world a minute later. I don't believe a teacher should be subjected to that.

    I hold heater in high esteem, but I have the opposite opinion. Every lecture I gave, I played like it like it was my last show. The only thing I cared about was how well I connected with my audience. My "last show" went on for three years. The stuff I did was pretty good, maybe my best, and it is lost; no easy recording back then. If others could reproduce what I emulated from my best teachers; and avoided what I detested about my worst teachers, the world would be a better place.

    Teachers have an audience. Period. The degree of public? We can delude ourselves, but if something interesting happens in room 101, students in room 505 will hear of it. We play to our audience, this is the measure of success. Perhaps the key question is what is the audience we are targeting?
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-05-13 23:26
    Heater. wrote: »
    In the modern world what is videoed by a student one minute can be all around the world a minute later. I don't believe a teacher should be subjected to that.

    Can and will are not the same ! ..
    I Can record a a XYZ but unless its distrubited . No one knows it exists .

    Like I said . I did audio notes and the rules were laid out and clear . you break them you loose .
    the Mear fact some one "can" upload a video is not grounds to deprive CQ of his needs to learn .


    I can get some Darn good HD video recording gasses and do it covert and also post it all on the web ..

    what are you stoping . Not a thing .. Heck I can televise with a smart phone and a skype account ..

    CQ is doing the RIGHT thing and ASKING .

    Perhaps we need to tell young fouks to just dam the torpidos and just screw the ruls and take matters in to there own hands to just get stuff done.???

    Cause what should be SMART and reasonable adults in Of all places a institute of what we call higher Ed can't seem to help him . ???

    look up the ICN its a HUGE fiber network for ONLY higher ed in Iowa . and Yea I took a few "televised " classes on it !

    How is this any diff then a local copy .?
    The Proff wore a wirless Lapel mic and was really on a closed loop cable/fiber trunk system .
    We all used mics and the like and PTT ..


    HIs Dept needs to wake up ..Real fast ,,

    this is the problem with the University system as a whole .

    I have had better teachers , better learning and way better value at both of the CCs I went to .
    the smaller one in Iowa has better test gear then CALPOLY pomona !


    face it ,, in a place like a UC XYZ you are just a number an ID a figure .


    At IHCC I did a few hard classes and I only got by cause I had a support network with other students and other Proffs .




    Peter
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-05-14 00:58
    Bill should be awarded many thankyou points for having the stones to start this thread. As a parent os a child with autism I get to see and hear a lot of the good and bad in the community. Some of it has determined where we live and where it will not be possible to move some day. My wife has most of the expertise in dealing with the world. And much more effectively than I.

    As adult learners many see us and think that autism/aspergers/ADD are kids only issues and that just ain't so. But it makes it so much harder to get the services and accomodations. So Bill, thankyou for bringing this up, also to those who have shared their own experiences as well; we need to be persistant and at times patient while insisting on getting the resources needed to succeed for ourselves and those who will be following in our wake.

    Hope the schools are watching the current CDC numbers....

    G'night,
    Frank
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-05-14 06:29
    we need to be persistant and at times patient while insisting on getting the resources needed to succeed for ourselves and those who will be following in our wake.
    Frank

    Amen to that !

    Peter
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2012-05-14 08:25
    A Teacher in a modern world who knows education policy Should know that there job might put them in that situation..


    "...education policy..."

    What does that mean?!?!
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-05-14 11:32
    simple a teacher 40 years ago would not be in the same basket as now ..


    Policy : IEPs and the ADA and the like .
    Policy : Abuse intervention ..Teachers today are REQIUIRED to be mandated reporters .
    Policy : know CPR

    Perhaps Expectations is a more appropriate word.

    A ton more is expected From our educators. They don't go in to teaching thinking that this is the 1930s
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2012-05-14 11:38
    ...then I'm glad I'm just a "technical instructor".
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-05-14 11:45
    Heater. wrote: »
    However most teachers did not and should not be expected to sign up as public performers.

    From the first post;

    "I am trying to understand why so many math professors seem to be adamantly against video
    recording the white board only, or supplying files from a Hitachi Star Board? "

    His request does not seem unreasonable, especially the second part. No public performing involved.

    Perhaps video of the white board with no audio would be more acceptable, or even time lapse photos, once a minute or so. The time lapse may be easier to review too.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-05-14 11:54
    Perhaps My Bias is
    A) Cause of the University I am at right now. UNI is Very Well known Teaching teachers college .
    B) I have aspergers and have 1st hand recent experience in this ADA and IEP mess .
    C) My Fathers Job .

    Peter
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