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Dangerous Sun Flare

HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
edited 2012-04-04 21:14 in General Discussion
There's recent big activity on the Sun.
You may want to run indoors when a dangerous solar flare arrives at Earth.
From the time it breaks off from the sun, we have 8 minutes.
This is a recent linked image from the ULT Telescope and
the ULT Space Administration.

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-03-30 19:36
    Humanoido wrote:
    From the time it breaks off from the sun, we have 8 minutes.
    Nonsense.. Eight minutes is how long it takes light to reach us from the sun. Charged particles ejected from a solar storm take two hours or more to get here.

    -Phil
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-03-30 20:24
    What exactly are the dangers of a solar flare the size of the one you have card for?
  • MoskogMoskog Posts: 554
    edited 2012-03-31 00:51
    Takes usually a couple of days before outbreaks on the sun reach the earth, if its headed in our direction. Huge outbreaks can have dangerous effects on satellites but usually the effect is bright, beautiful auroras here. The surface is quiet right now, not much to write home about according to SpaceWeather.com.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-31 09:20
    Solar plasma must be charged to impart velocity and a study showed lower limits of 20 to 3,200 km/s velocities achieved with average mass of 1.6 x 10^12 kg. However, a solar flare triggers numerous associated solar components including high speed energetic Gamma and Xray radiation that travel at the speed of light. Even damaging heavy protons from outbursts can achieve 1/3rd the speed of light reaching the Earth in only 15 minutes. On January 20, 2005 a solar flare released protons taking only 15 minutes to reach Earth, traveling one-third light speed. Source: Wiki - Solar Flare
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-31 09:33
    Microcontrolled wrote: »
    What exactly are the dangers of a solar flare the size of the one you have card for?
    The degree of danger depends on your location. The Earth has holes in various locations in which solar particles can readily penetrate. In more protected areas, stronger particles can punch holes and get through. The radiation is harmful to biology and human physiology.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-03-31 09:41
    Humanoido wrote:
    On January 20, 2005 a solar flare released protons taking only 15 minutes to reach Earth, traveling one-third light speed.
    That's not what the article says. At one-third C, the protons would take more than 24 minutes to reach earth. The 15-minute figure was the time elapsed between observation (i.e. light reaching earth) and arrival of the protons.

    -Phil
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-31 09:45
    Moskog wrote: »
    The surface is quiet right now, not much to write home about according to SpaceWeather.com.
    That's good it has quieted down. The observation shown was made on Friday the 30th which is your Thursday the 29th, if you are in the USA. The archives show a very active sun on that day.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-31 10:56
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    At one-third C, the protons would take more than 24 minutes to reach earth. The 15-minute figure was the time elapsed between observation (i.e. light reaching earth) and arrival of the protons.

    Charged particles ejected from a solar storm take two hours or more to get here.

    So one does not have 24 minutes or that nonsense about 2 hours of lead time to prepare, we have as little as 8 minutes for Xrays and Gamma rays.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-03-31 12:22
    Humanoido wrote:
    So one does not have 24 minutes or that nonsense about 2 hours of lead time to prepare, ...
    According to the same article you cited, "Most proton storms take two or more hours from the time of visual detection to reach Earth's orbit." But even then, charged particles, such as protons, are deflected by the earth's magnetic field and pose little danger to life on the surface.

    -Phil
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2012-03-31 14:30
    Humanoido wrote: »
    So one does not have 24 minutes or that nonsense about 2 hours of lead time to prepare, we have as little as 8 minutes for Xrays and Gamma rays.

    You have exactly zero minutes and zero seconds to prepare for any event that releases material at the speed of light. There's no way of knowing about it other than visual, radio wave, or radiometric observation. Lacking a means of detection that's faster than the speed of light, all these events come at the same time, so there's no possible way to prepare for it. (Or they come so close to the same time that it hardly makes a difference.)

    That leaves the other particles, which tend to be the more damaging, more time to prepare for. The greatest risk is to satellites and anyone on the Space Station, and there are 24/7 monitors for exactly this purpose.

    -- Gordon
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-03-31 17:41
    GordonMcComb wrote: »
    You have exactly zero minutes and zero seconds to prepare for any event that releases material at the speed of light.

    It's funny 'cuz it's true. :lol:
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-31 17:47
    GordonMcComb wrote: »
    You have exactly zero minutes and zero seconds to prepare for any event that releases material at the speed of light. There's no way of knowing about it other than visual, radio wave, or radiometric observation. Lacking a means of detection that's faster than the speed of light, all these events come at the same time, so there's no possible way to prepare for it. (Or they come so close to the same time that it hardly makes a difference.) That leaves the other particles, which tend to be the more damaging, more time to prepare for. The greatest risk is to satellites and anyone on the Space Station, and there are 24/7 monitors for exactly this purpose.--Gordon
    Thanks Gordon, you have the best explanation. It's too late here I was trying to say 8 minutes to arrive for Xrays and Gamma Rays but not saying 8 minutes of preparation time. You covered it and possibly one could read the periods of higher or lower solar activity and be on alert more or less in a somewhat subjective manner. With future nano technology we should develop shielding against this for Earth, Moon return, satellites, the ISS, and space travel. Some distant supernova can be responsible for damaging rays and developing new shielding sounds like a good idea for many applications. Astronauts were only allowed a specific time in space due the number of rads of radiation they took on during each space mission. So solving one challenge of shielding may solve other challenges.
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-04-01 16:22
    You mentioned in the initial post that you might want to "head indoors". Will a house really protect you from Xrays and Gamma Rays?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-04-01 16:55
    Microcontrolled wrote:
    Will a house really protect you from Xrays and Gamma Rays?
    Sure, if it's lined with lead. In point of fact, though, our atmosphere stops most gamma rays and xrays, so there's little need to go hide in your lead-line fortress during a solar storm. See this:

    All of which leaves me wondering what the point of this thread is.

    -Phil
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2012-04-02 10:33
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    All of which leaves me wondering what the point of this thread is.

    -Phil

    I was thinking the same thing... Is this nothing more than clutter or spam ?

    Bean
  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2012-04-02 10:59
    So the ULT Space Administration isn't real or what?

    Nevermind...

    Also if anyone is wondering I was up around 11,000 feet monitoring GPS satelites on that last storm and there wasn't much difference at all.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2012-04-02 11:27
    xanadu wrote: »
    I was up around 11,000 feet monitoring GPS satelites on that last storm and there wasn't much difference at all.

    ...he said before that third eye appeared in the center of his forehead.

    I just use my interocitor whenever I need to know about possible sun activity.

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  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2012-04-02 11:33
    The first post reminds me of this for some reason.

    images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRaXcRkz9NLSwKTC2oHiGI05AwBBcg8MCEA2zlTuLx2CPApySpwVw
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2012-04-02 11:46
    GordonMcComb wrote: »
    ...he said before that third eye appeared in the center of his forehead.

    I just use my interocitor whenever I need to know about possible sun activity.

    this-island-earth1.jpg


    "This Island Earth" - great movie!!!
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-04-02 16:41
    @jazzed: That's the first thing I thought of too. Not that specific card, but trading cards in general. Notice the subtle hint in my first post to this thread: "....the one you have card for". Maybe he should make a set of various "Big brain project" trading cards to help bring more attention to the project. :)
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-04-02 21:59
    Originally Posted by Microcontrolled
    That's the first thing I thought of too. Not that specific card, but trading cards in general. Notice the subtle hint in my first post to this thread: "....the one you have card for". Maybe he should make a set of various "Big brain project" trading cards to help bring more attention to the project.     :)

    That's a creative thought... There's a window for each object imaged. You could collect those if you're in the collecting mood. :) Theres 13 images altogether and each has an index number for chronolgical order. The telescope is a peripheral of the Propeller Powered Big Brain. The objective of the window is to keep image and data in roughly one size frame and to have a nice fit on my small computer screens when indexing and to keep the presentation interesting.


    Originally Posted by Bean
    Is this nothing more than clutter or spam ?
    Bean

    Bean: The purpose is to show a new discovery image by the Big Brain's peripheral telescope. I'm not selling anything, there are no products for sale, no prices, just a clean attractive presentation of a solar flare that was discovered with the Propeller Powered Big Brain's peripheral hobby telescope. I think it's interesting news for those following along. By the way, if my post is clutter, I want to claim some clutter on other posts too.

    Originally Posted by Jazzed
    The first post reminds me of this for some reason.

    Jazzed, I didn't know you collected those little girly cards. :)
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2012-04-03 03:15
    Maybe that old paint with lead in it isn't so bad after all ;)
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-04-03 04:57
    Humanado, I haven't followed along that well, so I don't know, is this a physical telescope that you have at your house (or at one of the Big Brain laboratories), monitored by the Big Brain, or is this a satellite telescope that you are simply monitoring the feed of?
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-04-03 21:56
    Microcontrolled wrote: (Humanoido), I haven't followed along that well, so I don't know, is this a physical telescope that you have at your house (or at one of the Big Brain laboratories), monitored by the Big Brain, or is this a satellite telescope that you are simply monitoring the feed of?

    Microcontrolled, hobby telescopes are physical & synthetic, analog & digital, in multiple locations, made from Parallax-Propeller-Powered Big Brain at the Deep Space Center, link components from multiple NASA spacecrafts, use multi devices on Earth, is the largest spin-off Brain project. I built the first Synthetic Telescope in ’67 - a 10X earth analog & finished 5 more over 20 years: 42.5-inch, 80, 125, 400, 520. Brain has 10X factors up to the 100,000X Colossus hybrid. Details at Humanoido Labs.

    Synthetic Telescopes
    Before & Beyond the ULT (History & Future)
    Enhancements (Telescope Controls)
    Synthetic Apertures
    Upgrades, Devices, Techniques
    More Upgrades, Devices, Techniques
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-04-03 22:33
    Can anyone explain to me what he just said? ^^^ I could not find the details at the Humanoido Labs.
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2012-04-03 22:41
    W9GFO wrote: »
    Can anyone explain to me what he just said? ^^^ I could not find the details at the Humanoido Labs.

    The definitions are so vague his "telescope" could be his computer linked to NASA's website from which photos are adjusted with PhotoShop until the pictures look dramatic.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-04-03 23:36
    Humanoido,

    You claim to have built a synthetic [aperture?] telescope in 1967. Here's what Wikipedia says about synthetic aperture optical telescopes:
    Aperture synthesis is possible only if both the amplitude and the phase of the incoming signal is measured by each telescope. For radio frequencies, this is possible by electronics, while for optical lights, the electromagnetic field cannot be measured directly and correlated in software, but must be propagated by sensitive optics and interfered optically. Accurate optical delay and atmospheric wavefront aberration correction is required, a very demanding technology which became possible only in the 1990s.

    'Care to explain what you mean, exactly, by "synthetic telescope" ?

    Frankly, your posts and blog are so rife with undefined buzzwords that it's hard to know what's real and what isn't. Unless you're merely using them as a smokescreen, it would help all of us, particularly our more credulous younger members, if you explained and documented your purported activities so that we can understand what, if anything, you're actually doing. Otherwise -- at least to those of us who've been around the block a few times -- the whole Big Brain project and "ULT" look like little more than castles in the sky. I don't say that to be offensive but, rather, as a frank, personal impression of your claimed accomplishments. And I don't believe that I'm alone in my incredulity, as other posts seem to indicate. I hope I'm wrong with my doubts, but I need proof to allay them.

    Thanks,
    -Phil
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,224
    edited 2012-04-04 00:31
    Sometimes you just have to accept what things appear to be on the surface and not have an expectation beyond that. In this case, he just likes writing on forums that will take the bait, pushing buttons, stirring things up. Pretty simple.
  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2012-04-04 00:38
    The big brain CAN do this or COULD do this? This forum is full of pros sharing ideas about tangible projects, the difference is you don't show anything except your blog, which is somewhat interesting minus the fear mongering hide from the solar flare article.
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2012-04-04 04:54
    Humanoido,
    Can you provide any link to an official NASA website that confirms what you are saying...
    Sorry to say this, but your blog and forum posts are little more than a pile of buzzwords and quite frankly sound a little delusional.
    If you are trying to generate interest in the Propeller by proposing fantasy projects that is fine, but please state that it is a "fictional" project up front.
    If this is a "real" operational telescope, then my hat is off to you. But extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof.

    Bean
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