Dr. Jim Gouge's articles on machine intelligence with the Propeller - download

Ken Gracey

Hey there,

With the support of ROBOT Magazine we are posting for download the most recently-published interviews with Dr. Gouge.

It is unusual for a publisher to be so cooperative with such a request, so if you are interested in robotics please consider a subscription to their magazine. ROBOT has published many articles where Parallax products were reviewed or used as part of a larger project.

Please hold any reply posts to this thread for ten minutes since I need to span a few posts with the five PDF pages.

Sincerely,

Ken Gracey
Parallax Inc.

Ken Gracey

Pages 2 & 3.

Ken Gracey

And the last article page. Took longer than expected due to some forum software troubles (or internet speed, not sure).

- Ken

Post Edited (Ken Gracey (Parallax)) : 8/24/2009 4:14:46 PM GMT

Ken Gracey

Last PDF. - Ken

heater

Oh this is going to be fun. Downloading now...Must put the kettle on.

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NetHog

Thank you very much for getting these!

heater

Ken, I know you want to sell lots of Propellers. I want you to sell lots of Propellers. I appreciate that you have to find ways to promote the Prop. But I can't help having a bad feeling about this. I don't want the Parallax and the Prop to become a laughing stock. I want them to be taken seriously.

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Post Edited (heater) : 8/24/2009 4:42:40 PM GMT

localroger

What Heater said.

NetHog

heater said...
Ken, I know you want to sell lots of Propellers. I want you to sell lots of Propellers. I appreciate that you have to find ways to promote the Prop. But I can't help having a bad feeling about this. I don't want the Parallax and the Prop to become a laughing stock. I want them to be taken seriously.

I think this would only be an issue if Parallax was promoting/sponsoring the research. I see neither happening.

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Clock Loop

Also, if you think about it, at the end of the last article the Dr is talking about things that are far beyond simple bee intelligence. And in the article he says that his platform is a bit above that. Bees, they seek out color, smell, taste, and vibrations.(dances) Combine that with path making, direction, etc... Specialize with roles, "reproduce, food, protection, hive" NEW! with RANDOMIZER©

With the propeller its much easier to accomplish those things with simple programming, due to the architecture of the prop.

Post Edited (Clock Loop) : 8/24/2009 5:14:43 PM GMT

P!-Ro

Although Dr. Jim isn't perfect at some of the things he is trying, I think he is much better than mallred. I think most of the problems of the other post were because of him.

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Ken Gracey

@heater: we don't sponsor or support the research, and leave it up to our customers to decide what is of value to them. I posted the articles because prior threads were clearly of interest to forum members. Never thought about what impact this would have on selling Propellers when I posted the PDFs.

Ken Gracey

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)

I wish he would post some video of the basics in action or some code.
It would go a long way toward validating his claims.

I don't see Parallax has anything to worry about suffering from a complete failure
on the part of Dr. Jim and associates. I'd be more worried about ROBOT magazine.

In the end I continue to hope that they will pull off at least part of the project, or
better yet, make it work and blow everyone away. Wasn't there someone who
said that they would eat a Prop chip if he made it work? (I'll have to re-read the threads.)

OBC

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Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)

Oldbitcollector said...
I'd be more worried about ROBOT magazine.

That's been my thinking as well. They took an awful chance with their reputation by publishing those articles. But, then again, they're a hobbyist magazine, not a peer-reviewed journal. In any event, if Dr. Jim succeeds, it could be a tremendous boost for the Prop; if not, no harm will come of it.

I do nurse a nagging fear, however, that Dr. Jim may leverage any eventual success by dragging the Propeller into the mire of software patents. Such an outcome could hobble the independent development of similar, but free, technology — whether it be the whole enchilada or useful bits and pieces. The establishment of prior art may turn out to be one of the OBEX's biggest assets!

-Phil

Rsadeika

I do not think that Parallax or ROBOT Magazine have a thing to worry about. ROBOT Magazine already covered themselves by stating that it would be a "provocative" article. I personally think that Dr. Jim may be onto something with his unique approach, just think about it, if it works, Propeller chips to do the processing. Anyway, I look forward to another article.

Ray

Microcontrolled

Oldbitcollector said...
..........Wasn't there someone who
said that they would eat a Prop chip if he made it work? (I'll have to re-read the threads.)

OBC

A DIP 40? Better off eating a bar of gold.

Got to start reading those articles, to see what the KISS OS buzz is about.

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Robots are microcontrolled.
I am microcontrolled.

But you·can·call me micro.

If it's not Parallax then don't even bother.

I have changed my avatar so that I will no longer be confused with others who use generic avatars (and I'm more of a Prop head then a BS2 nut, anyway)

jazzed

I fear mostly ridicule by loose association in this case.

Job Interview:

Q. So, what did you do with your time off?
A. I pursued my interest in a micro-controller architecture because it was new and different.

Q. What device was that?
A. Propeller.

Q. You mean the device used by the laughing stock of the robotics community?
A. Um, yes. But I tried hard to avoid that part.

Q. Ok. Next applicant.
A. Grumble....

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Oldbitcollector (Jeff)

Comon guys,

It can't be worse than the TV showing of the Protoboard as a bomb device last year... [noparse]:)[/noparse]
(and I still managed to load one on the plane...)

OBC

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heater

Jazzed: "I fear mostly ridicule by loose association in this case."

Exactly what I was driving at in my post, well phrased.

Ken, yes "prior threads were clearly of interest to forum members" but did you check a few posts in there, its brought out the worst in this forums members who are remarkably civilized normally.

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Rsadeika

I was thinking that we should move all our clever comments to the KISS OS thread, but that has been taken over by the self-proclaimed neuroscience experts. I think that they are starting to believe their own rhetoric.

Ray

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)

Has it been a full moon the last week or so?

One of Dr. Jim's claims with KISS OS is the creation of voice recognition with the Propeller.
It's something I've been tinkering with here, using an ADC chip, but parts of it are still a little
outside of my coding ability. I really think we could do this with ONE Propeller chip.
Simple "one word" commands should be doable with a Propeller and stored library on an SD card.


How about a cooperative project on another thread... Bet we could beat Dr. Jim to release. [noparse]:)[/noparse]

OBC


If you want a popular thread these days, just include Dr. Jim in the title. <SMIRK>

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P!-Ro

Heater, if anyone's to blame it's Robot magazine's fault, all Ken did was to provide the documents from it. I personally don't think it's a problem and if anything all blame for failure will be on Mark and Dr. Jim's shoulders. But if they do succeed, it will just bring more popularity to the Propeller chip and help along the development of the Prop II.

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Post Edited (Pi Guy) : 8/24/2009 7:08:39 PM GMT

RobotWorkshop

If you want to try to do some voice recognition on the Prop I can go through my old computer magazines and dig through some of my old computer relics. There were quite a few early Voice recognition boards and I am sure the Propeller today could do a better job. Although I no longer have an S-100 based system I still have one of these boards:

http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/accession/102670945

The software is on a paper tape but I think the docs explained how it worked. There was also the VOXBOX for the TRS-80 which ran on the Model I system. I also know of some code for a 6502 that worked reasonably well for speech recognition. Also, I think there may be an old article from Byte or Circuit Cellar that dealt with speech.

I suppose I should start going through some of my old stuff!

Leon

Rsadeika said...
I was thinking that we should move all our clever comments to the KISS OS thread, but that has been taken over by the self-proclaimed neuroscience experts. I think that they are starting to believe their own rhetoric.

Ray

It's more interesting than poking fun at the Doctor and his mouthpiece. It should be useful to him, as he appears to have a remarkably simplistic view of how the brain functions; he seems to think that a neuron is equivalent to a memory cell:

"One of the new boards will give you 2 million locations, which is well in excess of the 100,000 neural elements typical of a
bee’s brain."

Leon

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Post Edited (Leon) : 8/24/2009 7:37:28 PM GMT

Ken Gracey

@heater: I agree about the lack of civility over some of the prior posts. . . got that right! Please help us to encourage respect and maybe even some restraint as appropriate while we move forward.

Ken Gracey
Parallax Inc.

Oldbitcollector (Jeff)

@Robotworkshop,

YES! Please.. I could really use some source material like that for ideas where to go next!

OBC

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heater

At all times Ken [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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Hanno

My offer to eat a ProtoBoard still stands, extraordinary claims require at least a little bit of proof...

Let's get back to looking at real code, recognizing talent (have you seen some of the stuff Kye has been up to?) and collaborating on novel solutions. I really like OBC's suggestion, simple speech synthesis is achievable on the Propeller- let's build it! I'll sponsor a free copy of ViewPort to the leader of the team that makes it happen- would make a great "block" for 12Blocks...
Hanno

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RobotWorkshop

Hanno,

In the event they pull it off at least the new Protoboards are Lead-Free (RoHS)

Robert

potatohead

Hanno, you might keep this handy for reference:

http://www.willitblend.com/videos.aspx?type=unsafe&video=olympus

[noparse]:)[/noparse]

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Hanno

Thanks for the concern for my health [noparse]:)[/noparse]

Again, let's focus on the good threads on this board! There's so much good stuff out there:
256 color, 800x600 video!
An awesome conference!
Speech recognition on the Propeller!
Hanno

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