There is not an insert or help key on my Intel-Mac Laptop. I use shift-delete to toggle insert, but the only time I need it is when in a terminal based program such as TN3270.
Post Edited (Chuck Rice) : 4/28/2009 3:57:42 PM GMT
Bug: I have the following at the end of a VAR section in a rather large module.
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byte hdsk_reset_count 'Counts number of consequiteve hdsk reset commands.
byte hdsk_current_command 'The hdsk command currently in progress
byte hdsk_command_pos 'Counts through the outputed command parameter bytes
byte hdsk_drive 'The hdsk drive to read/write with this command
byte hdsk_sector 'The hdsk sector to read/write with this command
word hdsk_track 'The hdsk track to read/write with this command
word hdsk_dma 'The DMA address to read/write from with this command
byte
That dangling "byte" causes the following error message:
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parsing sdspiqasm.spin
parsing PC_Keyboard.spin
parsing PC_Text.spin
parsing FrequencyCount.spin
Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Not a big problem for me but had me looking in the wrong place for a while.
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mpark said...
That looks suspiciously like a Homespun bug. Poor Brad -- now my sins are being laid at his doorstep.
Hahaha, someone was bound to get confused sooner or later. Interestingly enough though just as a test I poked that code into bst and it exposed another bug [noparse]:)[/noparse] Not related, but not the correct behaviour either.
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Thing is I have a little Makefile to build my project. I uses Homespun to compile, and bstl.linux to load and run. It then runs gtkterm to display the output. All the while I use bst.linux to edit with.
So I did get confused over whose code is doing what.
Glad it was not a wasted bug report.
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heater said...
Thing is I have a little Makefile to build my project. I uses Homespun to compile, and bstl.linux to load and run. It then runs gtkterm to display the output. All the while I use bst.linux to edit with.
So I did get confused over whose code is doing what.
Glad it was not a wasted bug report.
No bug report is ever wasted. I've found about three bugs in my code watching people report the (very rare) bugs in homespun. They usually make me think "I wonder how I handle that" and go off and check.
Like now, when I've realised I've got a bug where it allows byte, long and word as variable names in my Spin compiler. As the code is context sensitive, it actually works and behaves itself perfectly, but it does get confusing when trying to make alignments in DAT blocks. I will get that fixed [noparse];)[/noparse]
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Cluso99 said...
Hey guys - these aren't bugs, they are unintended features.... Oh I forgot - you don't know about those windoze features... :-(
Yes I do. I just did a PPT presentation to some people that had been run through 10 times in the last 2 days from end to end. Powerpoint just chose the 11th time to crash when trying to play a video. I knew I should have had the presentation prepared in OpenOffice.org on my linux machine
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Powerpoint just chose the 11th time to crash when trying to play a video. I knew I should have had the presentation prepared in OpenOffice.org on my linux machine
Apple's Keynote has no problems with video either, if and only if Quicktime can play them. When encoding with mencoder, mpeg2 is sadly the only codec compatible with Quicktime. And the videos just play better in mplayer, quicktime is not at all great :-(.
Insert key on Macbooks: not there!
There is no longer an 'overlaid numeric keypad' on Macbooks. So, there seems to be now way to simulate an insert key on Macbooks. Is there some other way to toggle between the three insert modes in BST, such as a menu choice? I think this will work with an external USB Windows keyboard that has an insert key, but I have not been able to try one yet.
EricR said...
Insert key on Macbooks: not there!
There is no longer an 'overlaid numeric keypad' on Macbooks. So, there seems to be now way to simulate an insert key on Macbooks. Is there some other way to toggle between the three insert modes in BST, such as a menu choice? I think this will work with an external USB Windows keyboard that has an insert key, but I have not been able to try one yet.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
bst only has two insert modes I'm afraid. I've not figured out how to nicely implement the "align" one Parallax has just yet.
Chuck Rice said he uses "shift-delete", but I've not been able to fire up a Mac to test it. I don't know what keys might trigger it on a Mac, but if you can come to a consensus on a key you'd like to trigger it I'll implement it. So far I've got a vote for "shift-delete".
My Mac Mini and Apple Keyboard has a "help" key. That works for me under linux and windows, but I've not tried it under OSX myself. I will add a meny item for it also, but I prefer hotkeys myself.
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Brad, Thanks for your quick reply and a great Spin tool too. Shift delete did not work for me on this Lepord Macbook. I just got a characer delete. I think that using a windows keyboard on my Tiger Mac Mini worked fine, but am on vacation now, without a USB keyboard to try it. I prefer keys to menus too.
The other thing that is gone on this Macbook is command arrow to go to the end of a line. Function arrow now does this.
Shift delete would be great for me. The traditional way (for the overlaid keyboard) seemed to be fn-alt-M, but that is 3 keys.
The character chart appears to have a window that is just a tad too small for it. When the cursor is over the last column the whole table shifts left slightly, then the cursor no longer highlights the character that is under it. Then when you click, the highlighted character gets printed but at the same time the character that is highlighted shifts to be under the cursor. Then further clicks print the once highlighted character.
Moving the cursor to the left side of the window shifts it back for normal operation.
W9GFO said...
Here's a little bug I found. OS X 10.5.6 intel
The character chart appears to have a window that is just a tad too small for it. When the cursor is over the last column the whole table shifts left slightly, then the cursor no longer highlights the character that is under it. Then when you click, the highlighted character gets printed but at the same time the character that is highlighted shifts to be under the cursor. Then further clicks print the once highlighted character.
Well spotted! and nice screenshot. I actually knew about that one but as nobody had ever raised it I'd never quite got around to fixing it [noparse]:)[/noparse] I'll make sure it's sorted for the next release.
I'm working on the Mac keys at the moment (My PPC G4 has a help key and it toggles INS/OVR!) but they are giving me a little more grief than I'd like. I have to make some pretty major mods to my key mapping code as I'd designed it only to re-map keys that had menus attached to them.
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The Aluminum keyboard has no Help Key I can find and Shift+Delete does not toggle Insert. On a Macbook there is no Delete key either, well you have the Fn+Backspace combination as Delete key.
The Aluminum keyboard has no Help Key I can find and Shift+Delete does not toggle Insert. On a Macbook there is no Delete key either, well you have the Fn+Backspace combination as Delete key.
No, I've mapped shift-delete to toggle ins/ovr and I have that working (I've also added a sub menu in the edit menu for it so you can select it by mouse if you wish). I'm now wondering what to do with cmd-arrow keys.
I was thinking that cmd-left/right would shift one word left and right but I'm unsure as to what generally does what (I don't use text editors in OSX ever).
On the PC ctrl-left/right jumps one work left and right. I left it that way on the Mac originally, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do with the cmd key.
Can I get some input as to what you would like each specific key to do and I'll get it happening?
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SSteve said...
According to the Apple HIG, cmd-left/right should move to the start and end of a line. Any app that doesn't do that comes across as very un-Mac-like.
Beaut! That link was most helpful. I'll play by those rules then.
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This code from the PE Kit Objects Lab "DisplayPushButtons.spin" is supposed to refresh the values on the same line since the NL character is not sent. But that is not the way it is working here. It seems that CR includes with it a new line each time it is called.
Ohhh that was smooth. I clicked the edit on my own post instead of the quote reply icon... I just edited over whatever I had said before instead of creating a new post! Sheesh! I hope it wasn't important, 'cause I don't remember what it was about.
This code from the PE Kit Objects Lab "DisplayPushButtons.spin" is supposed to refresh the values on the same line since the NL character is not sent. But that is not the way it is working here. It seems that CR includes with it a new line each time it is called.
Yes, it does do that. The reason it does that is CR/LF behaviour is different between the differing OS so I built a handler to standardize on that. I'll have to think about how I handle CR/LF across the platforms.
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I've uploaded -pre5.
Changes :
- Edit Menu for ins/ovr
- shift-delete toggles ins/ovr on OSX
- Echo option in the connect menu of serial terminal
- #define and other fruit (see bstc thread and use compiler options dialog to enable Non-Parallax compatible extensions)
- Fixed the Parallax font special characters window on OSX
.. and a few more niceties and cleanups.. but I have *not* completed/enabled the Apple HIG key-remaps yet.. sorry.. I will have them finished before the next release (which has only one blocking bug and those changes scheduled now)
I have played with / tweaked / not tested the serial code on Win and Mac, so it may not behave perfectly. I'll be sure to get it properly verified prior to the release though.
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Dialog box: "Invalid stringlist index 1000"
I hit cancel and run bst again.
It hangs in the splash screen.
Will not run again until I delete the .bst.recover file.
Edit: This happens when a lot of output is scrolling in the terminal window.
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Dialog box: "Invalid stringlist index 1000"
I hit cancel and run bst again.
It hangs in the splash screen.
Will not run again until I delete the .bst.recover file.
Edit: This happens when a lot of output is scrolling in the terminal window.
Hrm.. I made some changes to the serial terminal to make it behave "better" with lots of rapid data. I'll see if I can reproduce it here. Thanks [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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Ok, I have not reproduced it, but I've found it.
I've never seen it as I've never had 1000 lines in the scrollback buffer of the serial terminal. I'll get it fixed ASAP. In the mean time, better to periodically clear the serial terminal buffer as this will happen *every* time it hits 1000 lines.
The hang at the splash screen is another thing entirely and thanks *very* much for finding that one. The recovery path follows a different route than a standard bootup. What is happening is there is a dialog box behind the splash screen you can't see waiting for you to press enter, but the splash screen won't disappear until you dismiss the dialog box. I know precisely how to fix this one..
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So if it hangs on recovery, just wait a couple of seconds and belt <enter> and it'll move on its way.
No need to manually remove the .recover file.
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I just had an interesting error happen. I compiled to RAM and got an error in one of the child objects - symbol already defined. It was a leftover that I forgot to delete. So I delete it, save the object then compile, and all is fine.
Then I make changes to the parent object and compile to RAM. I get the exact same error. I check the line & column number in the object and the symbol is not there, it is just white space. I try again. Same thing. I save again, same thing. Finally I highlight the blank space where it used to be and hit delete. Now it works!
Also noticed a tab problem in that the highlighted tab was not for what was displayed in the window. Typing something in the window then highlighted the correct tab but then when clicking on another tab it would be off again. Clicking tabs some more and it re-synced. This was with six tabs open.
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Post Edited (Chuck Rice) : 4/28/2009 3:57:42 PM GMT
That dangling "byte" causes the following error message:
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parsing sdspiqasm.spin
parsing PC_Keyboard.spin
parsing PC_Text.spin
parsing FrequencyCount.spin
Object reference not set to an instance of an object
Not a big problem for me but had me looking in the wrong place for a while.
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My sincerest apologies Brad. I'm juggling so many tools and operating systems I forget where I am.
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I've just gotten my first propeller (the PropRPM board) and was really pleased to find that I didn't need to use Wine / VM / etc to program it.
Thanks once again,
Russ.
Hahaha, someone was bound to get confused sooner or later. Interestingly enough though just as a test I poked that code into bst and it exposed another bug [noparse]:)[/noparse] Not related, but not the correct behaviour either.
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So I did get confused over whose code is doing what.
Glad it was not a wasted bug report.
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No bug report is ever wasted. I've found about three bugs in my code watching people report the (very rare) bugs in homespun. They usually make me think "I wonder how I handle that" and go off and check.
Like now, when I've realised I've got a bug where it allows byte, long and word as variable names in my Spin compiler. As the code is context sensitive, it actually works and behaves itself perfectly, but it does get confusing when trying to make alignments in DAT blocks. I will get that fixed [noparse];)[/noparse]
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· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
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Yes I do. I just did a PPT presentation to some people that had been run through 10 times in the last 2 days from end to end. Powerpoint just chose the 11th time to crash when trying to play a video. I knew I should have had the presentation prepared in OpenOffice.org on my linux machine
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"VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Powerpoint just chose the 11th time to crash when trying to play a video. I knew I should have had the presentation prepared in OpenOffice.org on my linux machine
Apple's Keynote has no problems with video either, if and only if Quicktime can play them. When encoding with mencoder, mpeg2 is sadly the only codec compatible with Quicktime. And the videos just play better in mplayer, quicktime is not at all great :-(.
There is no longer an 'overlaid numeric keypad' on Macbooks. So, there seems to be now way to simulate an insert key on Macbooks. Is there some other way to toggle between the three insert modes in BST, such as a menu choice? I think this will work with an external USB Windows keyboard that has an insert key, but I have not been able to try one yet.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
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bst only has two insert modes I'm afraid. I've not figured out how to nicely implement the "align" one Parallax has just yet.
Chuck Rice said he uses "shift-delete", but I've not been able to fire up a Mac to test it. I don't know what keys might trigger it on a Mac, but if you can come to a consensus on a key you'd like to trigger it I'll implement it. So far I've got a vote for "shift-delete".
My Mac Mini and Apple Keyboard has a "help" key. That works for me under linux and windows, but I've not tried it under OSX myself. I will add a meny item for it also, but I prefer hotkeys myself.
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The other thing that is gone on this Macbook is command arrow to go to the end of a line. Function arrow now does this.
Shift delete would be great for me. The traditional way (for the overlaid keyboard) seemed to be fn-alt-M, but that is 3 keys.
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Post Edited (EricR) : 5/2/2009 4:17:14 AM GMT
The character chart appears to have a window that is just a tad too small for it. When the cursor is over the last column the whole table shifts left slightly, then the cursor no longer highlights the character that is under it. Then when you click, the highlighted character gets printed but at the same time the character that is highlighted shifts to be under the cursor. Then further clicks print the once highlighted character.
Moving the cursor to the left side of the window shifts it back for normal operation.
Rich H
Post Edited (W9GFO) : 5/2/2009 9:02:23 PM GMT
Well spotted! and nice screenshot. I actually knew about that one but as nobody had ever raised it I'd never quite got around to fixing it [noparse]:)[/noparse] I'll make sure it's sorted for the next release.
I'm working on the Mac keys at the moment (My PPC G4 has a help key and it toggles INS/OVR!) but they are giving me a little more grief than I'd like. I have to make some pretty major mods to my key mapping code as I'd designed it only to re-map keys that had menus attached to them.
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Well thanks, your too kind. Anything I can do to keep your workload up...
I can't find how to enable echo in the serial terminal. Am I being dense or is that feature not available?
Rich H
The Aluminum keyboard has no Help Key I can find and Shift+Delete does not toggle Insert. On a Macbook there is no Delete key either, well you have the Fn+Backspace combination as Delete key.
No, I've mapped shift-delete to toggle ins/ovr and I have that working (I've also added a sub menu in the edit menu for it so you can select it by mouse if you wish). I'm now wondering what to do with cmd-arrow keys.
I was thinking that cmd-left/right would shift one word left and right but I'm unsure as to what generally does what (I don't use text editors in OSX ever).
On the PC ctrl-left/right jumps one work left and right. I left it that way on the Mac originally, but I'm at a bit of a loss as to what to do with the cmd key.
Can I get some input as to what you would like each specific key to do and I'll get it happening?
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Beaut! That link was most helpful. I'll play by those rules then.
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This code from the PE Kit Objects Lab "DisplayPushButtons.spin" is supposed to refresh the values on the same line since the NL character is not sent. But that is not the way it is working here. It seems that CR includes with it a new line each time it is called.
repeat Debug.Bin(ina[noparse][[/noparse]23..21], 3) Debug.Tx(13) waitcnt(clkfreq/100 + cnt)Rich H
Post Edited (W9GFO) : 5/3/2009 10:25:12 PM GMT
Rich H
Yes, it does do that. The reason it does that is CR/LF behaviour is different between the differing OS so I built a handler to standardize on that. I'll have to think about how I handle CR/LF across the platforms.
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"VOOM"?!? Mate, this bird wouldn't "voom" if you put four million volts through it! 'E's bleedin' demised!
Changes :
- Edit Menu for ins/ovr
- shift-delete toggles ins/ovr on OSX
- Echo option in the connect menu of serial terminal
- #define and other fruit (see bstc thread and use compiler options dialog to enable Non-Parallax compatible extensions)
- Fixed the Parallax font special characters window on OSX
.. and a few more niceties and cleanups.. but I have *not* completed/enabled the Apple HIG key-remaps yet.. sorry.. I will have them finished before the next release (which has only one blocking bug and those changes scheduled now)
I have played with / tweaked / not tested the serial code on Win and Mac, so it may not behave perfectly. I'll be sure to get it properly verified prior to the release though.
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Dialog box: "Invalid stringlist index 1000"
I hit cancel and run bst again.
It hangs in the splash screen.
Will not run again until I delete the .bst.recover file.
Edit: This happens when a lot of output is scrolling in the terminal window.
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Post Edited (heater) : 5/4/2009 4:51:36 PM GMT
Hrm.. I made some changes to the serial terminal to make it behave "better" with lots of rapid data. I'll see if I can reproduce it here. Thanks [noparse]:)[/noparse]
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Ok, I have not reproduced it, but I've found it.
I've never seen it as I've never had 1000 lines in the scrollback buffer of the serial terminal. I'll get it fixed ASAP. In the mean time, better to periodically clear the serial terminal buffer as this will happen *every* time it hits 1000 lines.
The hang at the splash screen is another thing entirely and thanks *very* much for finding that one. The recovery path follows a different route than a standard bootup. What is happening is there is a dialog box behind the splash screen you can't see waiting for you to press enter, but the splash screen won't disappear until you dismiss the dialog box. I know precisely how to fix this one..
<edit again>
So if it hangs on recovery, just wait a couple of seconds and belt <enter> and it'll move on its way.
No need to manually remove the .recover file.
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Post Edited (BradC) : 5/5/2009 1:21:19 AM GMT
Then I make changes to the parent object and compile to RAM. I get the exact same error. I check the line & column number in the object and the symbol is not there, it is just white space. I try again. Same thing. I save again, same thing. Finally I highlight the blank space where it used to be and hit delete. Now it works!
Also noticed a tab problem in that the highlighted tab was not for what was displayed in the window. Typing something in the window then highlighted the correct tab but then when clicking on another tab it would be off again. Clicking tabs some more and it re-synced. This was with six tabs open.
Os x 10.5.6 intel
0.17, not the -pre5
Rich H
I'm pretty sure this has happened to me as well, but I was otherwise occupied and didn't have time to do any testing.
OS X 10.5.6 PPC.
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