Get paid for your projects
Nick McClick
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Looking thru all of the cool projects here, it seems like there are too many projects that took tons of effort, sitting in attics. Or they're being used by the project designer, but no-one else can benefit from the designer's hard work. A lot of people would love to try some of the projects you've come up with, but they're not sure where to start. I also got a little tired of the wife always complaining about my expensive hobby (probably not unique!).
Here's what I'm proposing;
HOW TO GET INVOLVED
I need to do a fair number of things on the business side, so I won't be ready to launch for 2-3 months. Before I can launch, though, I need to figure out what the inventory of components should be. There are two ways to get involved;
IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT
Go to the website and submit a brief description and a Bill of Materials (BOM). The BOM is the most important. Once I've collected enough BOM's, I'll build an initial component inventory for projects. Try to be thorough with the BOM (Everything but solder).
IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PROJECT AVAILABLE
Visit the website and drop me a note. I'll collect project ideas and see if any designer are interested building it (or chase down a designer who already did).
My goal is to let other folks enjoy your awesome projects and appreciate your work. You'll also be able to make some money with your hobby, too. All feedback is appreciated!
To get you thinking, a few projects I've seen around or think people might find cool; 'IRC client in an altoids tin', Music Visualizer, C64 wiimote baseball bat, LED stock ticker, Homemade portable MP3 player, POV clock / 3d display, Guitar Hero kit, LED lighting system, 3d printer, Parking assistant, SIM card reader, Metal detector, GPS logger / tracker, Balancing Robot, Remote Camera recorder, PS/2 Keylogger... Whatever! At this point, I don't need completed projects, just an idea of what they are and the Bill of Materials.
The only way to make this project viable is to limit the inventory depth. By submitting projects now, I'll be able to build an inventory that will best support your ideas.
The website is www.gadgetgangster.com. Thanks in advance,
Nick
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Here's what I'm proposing;
- I'll keep a stock of the most useful components (passives, IC's, etc). I'll also keep stock of several 'generic' project PCB's.
- You come up with a cool project using these components, Or modify a project you've already done. Once you've got it done, send me your source code / design and a Howto.
- I'll publish your projects on my site, and I'll market my site to drive hobbyists. I'll spend real money marketing it, driving traffic so that thousands of folks will visit and check out your projects.
HOW TO GET INVOLVED
I need to do a fair number of things on the business side, so I won't be ready to launch for 2-3 months. Before I can launch, though, I need to figure out what the inventory of components should be. There are two ways to get involved;
IF YOU HAVE A PROJECT
Go to the website and submit a brief description and a Bill of Materials (BOM). The BOM is the most important. Once I've collected enough BOM's, I'll build an initial component inventory for projects. Try to be thorough with the BOM (Everything but solder).
IF YOU WANT TO SEE A PROJECT AVAILABLE
Visit the website and drop me a note. I'll collect project ideas and see if any designer are interested building it (or chase down a designer who already did).
My goal is to let other folks enjoy your awesome projects and appreciate your work. You'll also be able to make some money with your hobby, too. All feedback is appreciated!
To get you thinking, a few projects I've seen around or think people might find cool; 'IRC client in an altoids tin', Music Visualizer, C64 wiimote baseball bat, LED stock ticker, Homemade portable MP3 player, POV clock / 3d display, Guitar Hero kit, LED lighting system, 3d printer, Parking assistant, SIM card reader, Metal detector, GPS logger / tracker, Balancing Robot, Remote Camera recorder, PS/2 Keylogger... Whatever! At this point, I don't need completed projects, just an idea of what they are and the Bill of Materials.
The only way to make this project viable is to limit the inventory depth. By submitting projects now, I'll be able to build an inventory that will best support your ideas.
The website is www.gadgetgangster.com. Thanks in advance,
Nick
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I was flipping thru the list of completed projects on the prop page, and it seems like a tragedy if no-one else will ever get to use them;
The wheelchair monitor
The Doggy door
RC Airplane camera
The sign language robot
There are many more. A lot of people would love to do projects like these, but they don't have the expertise. It's as if everyone who wanted to play Mario Brothers had to build it themselves. From scratch! I hope that this project will help make it easier for more people to get involved. And we can make a little money while we're at it.
Software only folks are welcome, too! I don't know if Hydra games will sell, but how about a music visualizer? Add an Ethernet chip & you could do all kinds of crazy things... Your project doesn't need to be done, or even started. I just need to get a sense of the bill of materials.
So add your projects [noparse]:)[/noparse] The more I get, the sooner I can get an inventory and the sooner I can launch the site.
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One catch, I'm just learning how to draw schematics. surely you've seen my mspaint layouts.
(learning electronics CAD and PCB design is high on my todo list)
I can write reasonable documentation. (with enough edits) but not sure if someone will be able
to follow my designs. I tend to design like... nevermind.. see my avatar.. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
OBC
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I think of it this way; You're already going to do the project, wouldn't it be more fun to show it off to tons of folks and make a few bucks? How many people saw your C64 video on hack-a-day and thought, "wish I could make that?" I'll give you a hint... 11,500 people!.
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Electronics is cheaper than artist's supplies, even if you buy all your parts instead of pick from the rubbish heaps.
And also cheaper than these hobbies: wood and metal tools, boating, hunting, fishing, golfing, bowling in a city, collecting ...
What cheaper fun hobbies does she prefer?
I want to try new things. Also it's nice to know that not all the ladies love filling a car with new stuff at the mall.
Just curious, what would the designer/programmer be paid? I'm assuming it would be a percentage based on the number of kits that are sold.
You might also consider a "for sale" user forum where a builder could actually sell fully assembled versions of their projects.
B-
Designers would get a % of each sale - just one sale, and you'll make some money. I still have to work out the numbers (it will be based partially on inventory & the costs of driving traffic). If it were 50% of revenue (after component costs, shipping, etc) and OBC's c64 project sold 100 units @ $100 and the kit cost $50 to put together, that would be $2,500 for OBC. Again - all OBC has to do is write a 2 or 3 page howto and email me the BOM & code.
For an idea of volume; Ladyada's ybox2 forum has 18,000 pageviews (as of December, she had 3,000 unique visitors a day). OBC's c64 video has 12,000 viewers. Timothy's LED project has 25,000.
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Either way you do it there will be some inventory headaches. Some component engineering may be
required for suitable substitutes; the original designer would need to research/approve alternatives there.
Hopefully there will be some "kitting" economy of scale advantages after some time passes.
So you're considering a 50% markup for a kit ASP = COGS/(1-0.5) and 50-50 split of gross margin more or less?
50% is a good margin for an unassembled product. A full assembly should have closer to 75% markup no?
ASP = COGS/(1-0.75) This assumes the COGS are low enough and the market will accept the price of course.
Hopefully you'll be able to catch some Christmas sales on something you've found here in the forums.
How do DIY kits fare in slow economic times? The DYI stuff I see in Fry's (no uC's) seems to rot on the shelves.
I have a list of about 25 products to start. Next week I'll pick one and deliver a Product Brief and Bill of
Materials after some R&D time.
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(Sorry to hijack your thread Nick!)
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(Back on topic)
I'm a big fan of the Commodore computer. (I'm a retrocomputer collector)
Every year there are at least three gatherings (Expos) in the US for Commodore which
draw around 30-60 of us to demonstrate projects, and enjoy the company of friends.
There are several "members" who have the gift for electronics design.
(You might have heard of Jeri Ellsworth, designer of the C64 DTV)
These designers love to bring new electronics projects, but most of these
designs are far too complex for the users to replicate.
One of the aspects of the Propeller that drew me in was that it is so easy
to design powerful circuits quickly and easily. The Protoboard allows
easily replication. My C64 Bat & Nintendo interface projects based
on the Protoboard are within reach of someone with basic assembly
skills. There's another retrocomputer user who lurks in here working
on a Propeller-based disk interface for old EPSON computers.
All that said to say, that it might be a good idea to base your kits
from the Protoboard and have instructions geared toward adding
thru-hole pieces for assembly. It'll save on production costs and
initial investment for your project. I think I'd have a heart attack
if 100 people actually bought a C64 Bat kit. (Are there 100 C64
users left?
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Although I like a wide variety of music I do have an MP3 player stuffed with only SID and MOD type music.
@jazzed: (AFAIK) UL is for AC powered devices and I called them myself and it's NOT REQUIRED but helps if
your product starts a fire and you get sued you have legal evidence it was tested as safe. UL wallwarts are sufficient.
FCC is probably ok with things that don't cause some RFI radio interference 100 feet or 30 meters away.
EC requires that products don't have Lead and other hazmats (RoHS=restriction of hazardous substances).
I'm still trying to figure out viability before I bring the lawyers in, so I'm not sure of regulatory requirements for finished pieces. Not sure if I'll offer finished pieces - my biggest benefit to designers is 'No Inventory', 'no fulfillment' 'No risk'. I couldn't fulfill on finished pieces, so the designer would have to ship them him/herself. Then they have to have inventory, etc. Still thinking about it.
Inventory issues are my biggest concern. My hope is that designers will be interested in making money with their designs & will do projects with my inventory in mind. If I spend $100k marketing the site & your project & you get 25% of sales (without any cost or risk), maybe you'll chose to use the Ethernet socket that I hold in inventory?
Electronics projects tend to be normal goods (sales decrease during bad economic times). But the demographics of the audience are very favorable. The avg. Make Magazine subscriber makes $108K. The audience is fairly price insensitive. I don't know if I'll be able to run a %50 gross, but I intend to give designers a significant cut of sales. I want to make it worth it to put up a project even if it only sells 5 or 10 units.
I don't need anything fancy for a BOM or brief! just a sentence or two and the list of materials. I appreciate the help.
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re: c64 designers; You get it exactly! There are many people who would love to have a commodore on a chip, but don't know how to make it (which is why it came out as a commercial product). I want to give you a venue to share your projects and make a few bucks with them.
The bigger question is 'What's the market'? Make Magazine holds an annual Maker Faire in San Mateo where people show off their projects; 50 people showed off their projects - 65,000 people went to check them out (and they paid $25). 3 Million people check out instructables every month. There are 2,500 Commodore listings on eBay, right now! If the bat is a DE-9 connector, why not tweak it for Sega Master System, Genesis, Amiga, etc? Genesis sold 30M units. Master system sold 13M.
I hope to pull together an inventory of components that allow designers to create whatever they want, so the projects I list wouldn't be my designs, they would be yours. I can't hold inventory of 10,000 different components because of cost & space, so I need to narrow down the inventory. That probably means that everything would be thru hole, to give designers the most flexibility in swapping chips, components, etc. I'm thinking of having something like spinstudio as a base. I could also offer a protoboard as a component for designers to choose. And premade DIP conversions for SMD only components (I've never seen a thru hole accelerometer, for instance).
But you gotta give me a hand; So far I have 0 project ideas submitted on the site. In order to figure out the inventory, I have to know what components you'll need to build your projects. If designers aren't interest enough to share a BOM, it's probably a dumb idea & I'll move on. It doesn't have to be from a finished project, or a started project, and it doesn't have to be long. Whatever you got! www.gadgetgangster.com
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I'm more a software guy but do have one project I've been interested in and that's to build a 'Propeller ProtoBoard PCB' but more application specific to the sort of applications I'm interested in. Such a board plus the applications I would write for it would I believe be a marketable product. I have a circuit ( on paper ) but don't have the skills or finances to turn that into a PCB design and real PCB's - Would this be the sort of project you'd perhaps be interested in, or would you want something more substantial ?
Unable to do it myself I'd love to throw my design to a business partner who could take the hardware to completion, sell kits and/or assembled units and throw me a dime or whatever for every one they sell while footing all the start-up costs - is that what we're talking here ?
One question, to which I expect the answer will be yes, is; will you be able to ship world-wide with a reasonably cheap albeit slow option ? I'm thinking particularly of UK, EU, Australia and New Zealand.
I thought of going along with the joke that your wives complain about 2-penny-resistors, which went no where.
I'd call myself a fool for taking this seriously, though it may even be as legitimate as the Brooklyn Bridge offer.
Wait...Sniff Sniff! What's up on your site, Nick?
Post Edited (VIRAND) : 7/31/2008 7:53:55 AM GMT
If you need help to layout a board, I can do that for you, I have the necessary skills and use a great PCB manufacturer and I also have access to an assembly crew.
PM Me if you are interested, I sure we could collaborate on a few things
@VIBRAND
I feel pretty much the same way as you but my mind is still open to this idea, it's one thing to have a great idea but another to bring it to the masses and that is where Nick can help.
@Nick
I think the biggest issue you will have here is persuading people to part with their 'babies', it would be difficult for me for example to turn over the design for PropGFX, a product which has great potential and which we have put an enormous amount of work and effort into.
Is it better to sell 1000 units at half the profit or 100 at full profit????
I need a bit more persuasion I think.....
Regards,
Coley
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It would be better for me to have this done in the UK, but I'd have no problem in releasing the circuit / PCB layout under MIT License if the chosen partner is happy with that for anyone to copy / make / sell royalty free. Other business models can be worked out, but this is going off-topic.
The Propeller stuff is hobby for me, and the designs that I do are for self educational purposes. It will take
me a bit to get things together in an understandable fashion, and won't be until next month when my
current project has run it's course. (The expo)
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I don’t want to take anything away from Nick’s idea…I like the concept of community support, even if there’s money being made. But in the interest of helping the same community support their projects, there is another avenue of possible revenue to support your projects…publish them in one of the hobbyist magazines such as Nuts & Volts, Servo or even Circuit Cellar. Several forum members have dine this very thing and been paid for well written articles about projects they have made. This could be done in addition to Nick’s idea, since often articles will also refer to a website where materials of even the finished product could be purchased. Take care all.
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DGSwaner
Bought a Hydra & I bought a demoboard. That's all after starting out with the ybox2. That's $375 (plus shipping and 8.5% sales tax as I'm in CA). I got a soldering iron, a tote, project vise, a couple electronics circuit books, extra parts from jameco, a $30 accelerometer from sparkfun. 2 servos from parallax. Extra displays from halted. A dremel for the enclosure on my ybox. Even Make Magazine is $15 PER ISSUE. It's not collecting cars, but it's not 2 pennies.
@chris
Absolutely. I don't want to diminish other opportunities to make some money with your projects. Publishing is a great option & you'll get some money just for describing your ideas. You won't have to take inventory or deal with any of the other business pains. IN FACT - If you write an article, why don't you add a link to your project on my site, where the reader could order all of the components needed to put it together in one click? You'd share in sales & the reader wouldn't have to chase down parts.
You can also plain-ol' sell your work, ala ucontroller.com or sparkfun. It's a lot more work & you have to do the business stuff, but it's a good option if you think you have a project that will have sufficient volume.
For PropGFX
You're right - this would be a channel for 'tinkerers'. If one wants to sell more than a few hundred units and they don't mind taking on the marketing / inventory / fulfillment / business stuff, then they're better off doing it themselves. Of course, you could try selling it on my site to gauge demand, and taking it off the site and selling it yourself if there is.
I do suggest, though, that your channel comparision include the risk of getting stuck with inventory, the cost of marketing, the effort of setting your business up, etc. It's not trivial, especially if you just have a single project in mind.
Too good to be true?
Maybe. I may not be able to make enough money to cover my inventory costs. The component inventory may be too diverse for me to support. It may be impossible to convince hobbyists to buy projects. If the economy takes a dramatic downturn, I might be better off selling soup. It may not be a viable business. But that doesn't make it a scam. You can't buy bridges with BOM's & project descriptions.
I'm going to spend money on marketing, building the site, fulfillment, etc. But you're going to have to figure out the product! And you'll have to do a pretty decent job on explaining how to put projects together. There is a quid pro quo here. There will be other designers posting projects, competing for business, so don't think that just throwing up a LED Blinker project will make money.
I'm guilty of starting Medford Research. It was a pretty painful project where I had to pay for any traffic, there was a ton of competition, business prospects wanted painfully long terms, and producing weekly competitive landscapes took me hours per report, per week. I turned off the google keywords & banners a few months back. I still have 15 copies of "The Secret Language of Competitive Intelligence", free if you want 'em!
I also helped a friend out on Thingsforstuff.com, which got me thinking about inventory risks & doing a business that I found interesting (like videogames or electronics) instead of a business I found pretty dull (competitive research). ALL my drawings on the site! I also did the logos and site design (stole the bricks in the BG from Rastan).
@Hippy
One caveat to my project - I can't do custom PCB's. I won't be able to support the inventory. That means that I won't be able to do a Hydra Expansion board. Projects will have to be designed around generic project PCB's (think SpinStudio). I will ship internationally, though. I'd really love to help support the propgfx, but I just can't make this project viable if I make exceptions.
One question I've been thinking about is licensing of the design / code / Howto. Initially, I was thinking that everything is open source, that way it's a resource for the community, even if they don't buy anything (I also think that if a user tries to source everything for a project to save money, they'll realize the value of just ordering it in one shot, from me).
What about licensing? Copyleft only, or give the designer a choice?
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I didn't get it in the beginning, but I guess you're thinking I'm collecting email addresses to later spam you? I could remove the email address from the form, but I'd like to get in touch with designers when the site is live & when the component inventory is finalized. Anyway, you can submit the form without including your email - If you watch the parallax forums, I'm sure I'll drop a post when the inventory is finalized. I'll add an RSS feed to the site sometime this week, too.
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Post Edited (Nick McClick) : 7/31/2008 8:39:03 PM GMT
Medfordresearch.com gave me some insights as to what you might be up to.
You and I both know that nicolasm.com was nothing but a chalk drawing of a guy in a suit an hour ago!
I think that gadgetgangster.com is set up to (at least be able to) do a lot
of sneaky things besides just help us sell kits. A wolf in sheeps clothing? More than meets the eye.
You yourself implied a desire to exploit the intellectual wealth of the DIY community,
the megahits of individuals on hack-a-day, the $108K average income and price-insensitivity of the DIY demographic.
All that aside we are always interested in sharing and selling kits and doing so more efficiently.
I believe that self-sufficiency is ideal, and whenever possible we should learn and share the skills among ourselves.
And that since we spend so much time making stuff, it should last a long time, like the stuff in Rome.
StoryOfStuff (educational video)
Post Edited (VIRAND) : 7/31/2008 9:07:38 PM GMT
I'm not a wolf in sheep's clothing or more than meets the eye. I'm not going to sell your email address to spammers. I'm not trying to 'exploit the intellectual wealth of the DIY community'. I'm also not all that 'clever'.
I do appreciate your feedback, however. I'm sure that other people may see the project and have a similar feeling. What are your specific concerns? What part of the whole thing sounds scammy (too good to be true?)?
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DGSwaner
I apologize for the link farm joke. I don't run a link farm. Neither does;
Matt Smith
John Smith
John Morgan
Tom Smith
Paul Baker
Sarcasm may be hard to pick up on in forum posts.
Don't need to apologize if you don't want to list a project on my site! I'm not hurt or offended. Do what you feel - sell your project on eBay. sell it on your own website. don't sell it all. It doesn't bother me.
Truly - Actions do speak louder than words.
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Post Edited (Nick McClick) : 8/1/2008 1:29:25 AM GMT
I guess the part that is 'too good' is the part questions, "Will the dogs actually eat the food..."
I consider myself a realist, (others call this being pessimistic.) My wife says I'm a "glass half empty" guy..
A site like the one you showed as an example will be both a lot of work and rewarding if you can pull it off.
You appear to have the background in this.. Do it and allow the community to see the goodwill of your actions.
They will come around. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
Anything that promotes the Propeller is a good thing..
[noparse]/noparse]As for the SPAM worry mentioned. I get already 500+ a day and my filter does a great job... [noparse]:)[/noparse
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No sarcasm from me... I think you are close to one of those ideas that everyone wishes they had a day earlier than the guy who got rich from it. All of the best luck.
This is half a centimeter from your original thought but it is my 2 cents worth and you can count me in as a subscriber.
I hate parts... I don't like to look for them... I don't want to find a good buy... I don't want to hoard them.... I just want them delivered to my door on a regular basis... but which parts? The ones that Parallax doesn't sell and guys here use to do really nifty projects... If I could get a "Propeller project of the month" delivered to my door... no questions asked... I'd buy it. I like surprises. i like to learn... I think you are on to something that might make a lot of money and might make Oldbitcollector's wife happy.
Never give up.
How about a camera project, complete with parts (2)? Rayman doesn't want to earn any money... so someone should do it for him!!!!
Rich