Chuckz: We want to hack it to use with our props, so it is a relevant thread here
Just like we hacked (well IIRC jazzed anyway) a key photoframe. I have a 2.5" one but I have not done anything except pull it apart and confirm the same chip as jazzed found.
hinv: Some nice links. Here is a youtube video from one of those links. It's a bit slow so you have to ffwd some of it but you get the idea. It's a nice display.
Certainly a cheap way to add a mini LCD display & keyboard plus wifi to your prop.
BEFORE SOMEONE SMOKES their ZipIt2. I read that the external power supply MUST BE <= 6V. Otherwise you kill the regulator!
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@Cluso: I think they come with the charger, but I don't know if it is a universal one that will work down under. Do you guys have English style power, 220V 50Hz? Of course, I would guess that you have all that you need to charge the thing on your boat. As far as the ramblade goes, it is a nice little CPM computer but just 2 pins free is a bit constraining. The Zipit could be a serial dumb terminal for it though without much work. The case does look a little chunky. Hopefully we can fit stuff in there without removing plastic, If not, one could cut a hole in the plastic between the battery and the mobo.
I wish I the pinouts on the back of the device were openly shared. I haven't read the whole "license agreement" to read that. I am not sure they are going to release that. Many want to, and have hacked the device to completely replace it's functionality. If at $50 it is a loss leader so that they can sell subscriptions in a year for their texting service, I don't know if they will be opening up the platform much more....but we could pry it open :^)
I personally would like an alternative load of linux(of course) but still maintain the ability to text. I haven't checked the alternate linux distributions to see if they include that. If they did, an it was hacked, you could remotely tell your prop to control something from around the world!.
hinv: We use 240Vac 50Hz here but most things these days are ok from UK other than the plug. Yes, we have an 1800W inverter on the boat. But it does not matter when we are on the marina of course.
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I just got 16 of these in today. They are really tiny, but packed in lots of foam, so the box is 11.5x16x10.5cm. If you were going to have on shipped overseas, it would save some money to have it repacked.
The screen on these is quite crisp, but quite tiny also. They could have done a better job at using up more of the lid for keyboard as there is around 1cm on the top, and 1.5cm on each side for bezel.
The keys are quite tiny, even for my small thumbs, but they have a good tactile click to them. It would have been nice to put the dimple on the f and j so it was easier to feel for them.
I haven't tried any software on them yet as I powered them up in a no-wifi area, and I want to keep them connected to mains until they are done with their first charge. I also forgot my miniSD and notebook to write it at home.
I just rushed off to work to make sure i was there to receive these from FedEx. I'm hoping I can get a usable linux on these before the day is out, and maybe sometime soon BSTc.
Looks interesting guys [noparse]:D[/noparse], think I'll have to get one!
a dual/tri prop inside would be a great little hand held.
who cares what was inside previously lol
props are more fun to code on anyway!
If we can squeeze a couple of Props in there as well that would be perfect. Especially after we have strong armed BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run there.
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heater said...
But Baggers, the insides runs Linux. It's sacred.
If we can squeeze a couple of Props in there as well that would be perfect. Especially after we have strong armed BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run there.
For those waiting patiently in AU, the first batch should arrive mid week Feb 24ish, and second batch from Hinv early the week after that. I'll send them out in order of orders rec'd.
To further the crusade (of "strong arming BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run"), Hinv has generously donated one unit and I'll do the same. So Brad just PM me with where I need to send those 2...
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But Baggers, the insides runs Linux. It's sacred.
If we can squeeze a couple of Props in there as well that would be perfect. Especially after we have strong armed BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run there.
Hi heater, Yeah, I know Linux is sacred, maybe I should get two, one for BST/C and one for a prop or two·inside [noparse]:D[/noparse] to develop on.
I loaded http://zipit.rootnexus.org/files/Z2-USERLAND/RC1-PRE2/, but I found it to be more of a demo of the capabilities than something real usable. I was able to telnet into it once I configured wifi.
It has a lot of stuff that has to go...like conky, a program that was monitoring(as far as I could tell) just the battery level and charge/discharge status. It used up 2.6MB!
I don't want to swap..ever, but want to be able to:
run mplayer for playing my music/etc
tcl/tk for a GUI type interface to the prop
wifi networking
serve blocks from a file onthe microSD to the prop
an encrypted filesystem for safe storage on the microSD
encrypted comms through the Bell202a modem that PhiPi worked out
and last but not least BSTc and BSTl of some sort.(probably using a GPIO for reset)
I didn't realize how much I used odd keys untill I didn't have them. We have to work out some easier way to get numbers in. Once I got connected via telnet it was a big releif.
Assembly on it would not be fun with the current keyboard binding. I wonder how easy it would be to fit a bluetooth module like this. And if it would connect to my bluetooth mouse.
My son made an amazing discovery! The connector on the back of the Zipit Z2 is the same as the one on my Axim X51v. I doubt the pinout is the same though.
You can get the ...uh..wait..it's gone. You used to be able to get the expansion connector info here after agreeing to some non-disclosure info.
Hopefully that means that they are going to release them to the public...but I don't know.
@heater. Uh no. Linux is not sacred. On this thing it is a pain in the Smile. The original load is well uh Zippy, but the userland that I loaded on it from here is sluggish. It takes 45 seconds to boot, after I stripped out power-management.sh and lid-daemon.sh. These 2 shell scripts take up about 6MB of what should take 2cogs running rcslow on the prop. There is C code to implement the lid-daemon here. If it does the job, that is about 3.5MB saved plus a lot of cycles.
On the good side, I was able to get a stripped down X running just a terminal and wish(tcl/tk) and full networking without swapping. I am hoping to just eliminate the ability to swap, and save that much more cycles and room in the kernel... but I haven't looked into that yet.
Maybe after the honeydo's are done today, I will dig into the hardware.
I know what you mean, but I am a bit disapointed in the distribution. On a 32MB Indy in Irix5.3, it worked quite a bit smoother. 12MB for a window manager when you only have 32MB! ;^(
I guess that is the differece between a hack and a paid for softwware development effort. IRIX 5.0 was just as bad, I have read.
heater, I know what you mean, but for GUIs I REALLY like tcl/tk for the same reasons I like spin, I can get quite a bit done in little time. Yeah, it's slow because it is interperted, but I can have something working in short order.
Some hints of some possible good news. I checked the Axim X5? pinouts, and there is a serial port with RTS/CTS. If I was designing the Zipit, and decided to use the same connector as a device of similar archecture, I would just use the same pinouts so I could use the periphers that were already out there. Hopefully, they were thinking the saame thing. I will check it out soon.
Anybody know where to find a propeller logic analyzer that will send it's data over propterminal or some other screen gotten over the USB. I plan on connecting 28 of the testpoints to a ProtoboardUSB. I could then try and compile GPIO wigglers to exercize the different unknown GPIOs to see what I can correlate. Any suggestions on how to do this? I have not tried it before, and I haven't compiled any C code under linux/unix in years.
hinv said...
Anybody know where to find a propeller logic analyzer that will send it's data over propterminal or some other screen gotten over the USB. I plan on connecting 28 of the testpoints to a ProtoboardUSB. I could then try and compile GPIO wigglers to exercize the different unknown GPIOs to see what I can correlate. Any suggestions on how to do this? I have not tried it before, and I haven't compiled any C code under linux/unix in years.
It's only output is vga or TV though. Don't know if that helps.
Jim
hinv said...
Anybody know where to find a propeller logic analyzer that will send it's data over propterminal or some other screen gotten over the USB. I plan on connecting 28 of the testpoints to a ProtoboardUSB. I could then try and compile GPIO wigglers to exercize the different unknown GPIOs to see what I can correlate. Any suggestions on how to do this? I have not tried it before, and I haven't compiled any C code under linux/unix in years.
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Now the first year of service is free, AFAIK, but for hacking, who cares?
They will use any open WiFi hotspot, out of the box, and used WPA "secured" ones with some of the linux reloads for it.
There are plenty of hacking sites:
zipit.rootnexus.org/
www.christopherkois.com/?page_id=58
hunterdavis.com/archives/440
zipit2system.sourceforge.net/
sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/openzipit/index.php?title=Main_Page
www.openzipit.org/
linux.zipitwireless.com/
www.hak5.org/game/play-doom-on-the-hacked-zipit-z2
now we just have to figure out the best way to put a propeller in there.
Doug
Just like we hacked (well IIRC jazzed anyway) a key photoframe. I have a 2.5" one but I have not done anything except pull it apart and confirm the same chip as jazzed found.
hinv: Some nice links. Here is a youtube video
Certainly a cheap way to add a mini LCD display & keyboard plus wifi to your prop.
BEFORE SOMEONE SMOKES their ZipIt2. I read that the external power supply MUST BE <= 6V. Otherwise you kill the regulator!
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· Home of the MultiBladeProps: TriBlade,·RamBlade,·SixBlade, website
· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
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Guess I will have to wait and see
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· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
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This sounds like a lot of fun. This little guy with a Prop add in card, some kind of I/O connector and BST would be great.
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Cannot wait to get one, but then again, something will have to give :-(
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· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
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A Prop software development system in the pocket, will be just so cute, and so employment retension threatening.
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@heater: Yea, you could have the ARM wag the prop during development, and then reset and have it the other way around like Peter was talking about http://forums.parallax.com/forums/default.aspx?f=25&m=426250
I wish I the pinouts on the back of the device were openly shared. I haven't read the whole "license agreement" to read that. I am not sure they are going to release that. Many want to, and have hacked the device to completely replace it's functionality. If at $50 it is a loss leader so that they can sell subscriptions in a year for their texting service, I don't know if they will be opening up the platform much more....but we could pry it open :^)
I personally would like an alternative load of linux(of course) but still maintain the ability to text. I haven't checked the alternate linux distributions to see if they include that. If they did, an it was hacked, you could remotely tell your prop to control something from around the world!.
Doug
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· Home of the MultiBladeProps: TriBlade,·RamBlade,·SixBlade, website
· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
My cruising website is: ·www.bluemagic.biz·· MultiBlade Props: www.cluso.bluemagic.biz
The screen on these is quite crisp, but quite tiny also. They could have done a better job at using up more of the lid for keyboard as there is around 1cm on the top, and 1.5cm on each side for bezel.
The keys are quite tiny, even for my small thumbs, but they have a good tactile click to them. It would have been nice to put the dimple on the f and j so it was easier to feel for them.
I haven't tried any software on them yet as I powered them up in a no-wifi area, and I want to keep them connected to mains until they are done with their first charge. I also forgot my miniSD and notebook to write it at home.
I just rushed off to work to make sure i was there to receive these from FedEx. I'm hoping I can get a usable linux on these before the day is out, and maybe sometime soon BSTc.
Doug
How about some photos of the inside hey hey.
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· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
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a dual/tri prop inside would be a great little hand held.
who cares what was inside previously lol
props are more fun to code on anyway!
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If we can squeeze a couple of Props in there as well that would be perfect. Especially after we have strong armed BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run there.
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For those waiting patiently in AU, the first batch should arrive mid week Feb 24ish, and second batch from Hinv early the week after that. I'll send them out in order of orders rec'd.
To further the crusade (of "strong arming BradC to get BST or even just BSTC to run"), Hinv has generously donated one unit and I'll do the same. So Brad just PM me with where I need to send those 2...
I have had Sphinx running on RamBlade & TriBlade.
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· Home of the MultiBladeProps: TriBlade,·RamBlade,·SixBlade, website
· Single Board Computer:·3 Propeller ICs·and a·TriBladeProp board (ZiCog Z80 Emulator)
· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
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Not long to wait now Cluso. In the mean time did you see the pics on the link Hinv posted at the top of page 2? Here's a sample pic
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Interesting the wire fixes on it
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· Prop Tools under Development or Completed (Index)
· Emulators: CPUs Z80 etc; Micros Altair etc;· Terminals·VT100 etc; (Index) ZiCog (Z80) , MoCog (6809)·
· Prop OS: SphinxOS·, PropDos , PropCmd··· Search the Propeller forums·(uses advanced Google search)
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It has a lot of stuff that has to go...like conky, a program that was monitoring(as far as I could tell) just the battery level and charge/discharge status. It used up 2.6MB!
I don't want to swap..ever, but want to be able to:
run mplayer for playing my music/etc
tcl/tk for a GUI type interface to the prop
wifi networking
serve blocks from a file onthe microSD to the prop
an encrypted filesystem for safe storage on the microSD
encrypted comms through the Bell202a modem that PhiPi worked out
and last but not least BSTc and BSTl of some sort.(probably using a GPIO for reset)
I didn't realize how much I used odd keys untill I didn't have them. We have to work out some easier way to get numbers in. Once I got connected via telnet it was a big releif.
Assembly on it would not be fun with the current keyboard binding. I wonder how easy it would be to fit a bluetooth module like this. And if it would connect to my bluetooth mouse.
Post Edited (hinv) : 2/21/2010 1:00:47 AM GMT
You can get the ...uh..wait..it's gone. You used to be able to get the expansion connector info here after agreeing to some non-disclosure info.
Hopefully that means that they are going to release them to the public...but I don't know.
Post Edited (hinv) : 2/21/2010 6:50:08 AM GMT
On the good side, I was able to get a stripped down X running just a terminal and wish(tcl/tk) and full networking without swapping. I am hoping to just eliminate the ability to swap, and save that much more cycles and room in the kernel... but I haven't looked into that yet.
Maybe after the honeydo's are done today, I will dig into the hardware.
Doug
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I guess that is the differece between a hack and a paid for softwware development effort. IRIX 5.0 was just as bad, I have read.
heater, I know what you mean, but for GUIs I REALLY like tcl/tk for the same reasons I like spin, I can get quite a bit done in little time. Yeah, it's slow because it is interperted, but I can have something working in short order.
Some hints of some possible good news. I checked the Axim X5? pinouts, and there is a serial port with RTS/CTS. If I was designing the Zipit, and decided to use the same connector as a device of similar archecture, I would just use the same pinouts so I could use the periphers that were already out there. Hopefully, they were thinking the saame thing. I will check it out soon.
Doug
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Doug
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It's only output is vga or TV though. Don't know if that helps.
Jim