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  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 12:28

    @TonyB_ said:
    Does this mean no cog access at all to hub RAM when streaming longs at sysclk/2?

    Correct. The cog locks up when I try. EDIT: Bear in mind it's actually sysclock/1 then. The naming I use in that program is carried over from earlier where it was all based on shortwords.

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-19 13:09

    @evanh said:

    @TonyB_ said:
    Does this mean no cog access at all to hub RAM when streaming longs at sysclk/2?

    Correct. The cog locks up when I try. EDIT: Bear in mind it's actually sysclock/1 then. The naming I use in that program is carried over from earlier where it was all based on shortwords.

    Assuming streamer is running at sysclk/D, what is value of D for each of these three?

    BYTE   4   40000000    76720    76728    76720    76728    76720    76728    76720    76728    76720    76728    76720    76728
    SHORT  4   40000000    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384
    LONG   4   40000000    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384
    
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-19 13:18

    Streamer NCO divider is stated there: $4000_0000, which is divide by 2. So hubRAM effective is 8, 4 and 2 respectively. But that's actually something that is a question mark right now. Those three numbers are based on an assumption that the FIFO decouples hubRAM accesses from the streamer cycles.

    I think that's correct but measured behaviour isn't exactly reassuring right now.

  • @evanh said:
    Streamer NCO divider is stated there: $4000_0000, which is divide by 2. So hubRAM effective is 8, 4 and 2 respectively.

    I thinks it's 2, 4 and 8.
    Words take same time as longs at half word frequency.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-19 13:40

    Huh? The respective order is byte, short, long. Those values are effective dividers. Bytes have the highest effective divider (lowest rate).

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-19 13:43

    It's kind of irrelevant. The NCO divider is plainly listed in third column. The second column is just an index for the NCO divider. ie: QFRAC #1, index

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-19 14:16

    Evan, your results are difficult to interpret. Have a look at the following table. Byte 2 is same as Word 4 and Long 4. This is wrong, it should be Long 8. All x are wrong for Long x.

    Total smartpins = 64   1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
    Rev B silicon.  Sysclock 120.0000 MHz
    
        Block Length is 65536
    
     BYTE   2       87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
     WORD   2      131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072       12
    
     BYTE   3       98304    78640    98288    78640    78640    98312    78648    98312    78640    78640    98288    78640        5
     WORD   3      589784   589824    98304    98312    98304    98304   589792    98304   589808   589824    98304    98312       12
     LONG   3      589808   589824    98304    98312    98304    98304   589792    98304   589808   589824    98304    98312       12
    
     BYTE   4       76720    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728
     WORD   4       87376    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
     LONG   4       87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
    
     BYTE   5       81904    81920    81912    81920    81912    81928    81920    81928    81920    81920    81912    81920       12
     WORD   5      126032   126024    81920   109224   126024    81920   109216    81920   109232   126024    81920   109224       12
     LONG   5      109232   126024    81920   109224   126024    81920   109216    81920   109232   126024    81920   109224       12
    
     BYTE   6       74896    74904    74896    74904    74896    74904    74904    74896    74904    74904    74896    74904
     WORD   6       98304    78640    78640    98296    78648    98312    98312    78648    98304    98304    78640    98304        7
     LONG   6       98304    78640    78640    98296    78648    98312    98312    78648    98304    98304    78640    98304        7
    
     BYTE   7       72432    72432    72440    72440    72440    72440    72432    72432    72440    72432    72440    72440
     WORD   7       91752    91744    76456    91760    91752    91752    91752    76464    91752    91744    76456    91760        9
     LONG   7       91744    91744    76456    91760    91752    91752    91752    76464    91752    91744    76456    91760        9
    
     BYTE   8       71504    71496    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71496
     WORD   8       76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728
     LONG   8       76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728
    
     BYTE   9       70784    70784    70784    70776    70776    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70784    70776
     WORD   9      589760    76936   589800   589800    76936    76936   589760    76936    76936    76936   589800   589800        6
     LONG   9       76936    76936   589800   589800    76936    76936   589760    76936    76936    76936   589800   589800        5
    
     BYTE  10       70224    70216    70216    70216    70224    70216    70216    70224    70216    70224    70216    70216
     WORD  10       81912    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81912    81920    81920    81920       12
     LONG  10       81912    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81912    81920    81920    81920       12
    
     BYTE  11       69776    69768    69760    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69760    69760    69768    69760
     WORD  11       90112    90112    90080    90112    90104    90112    90096    90112    90112    90112    90080    90112       12
     LONG  11       90080    90096    90080    90112    90104    90112    90096    90112    90112    90112    90080    90112       12
    
     BYTE  12       69392    69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69392    69392    69400    69392
     WORD  12       74896    74904    74904    74896    74896    74896    74896    74896    74896    74904    74904    74896
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     BYTE  13       69088    69080    69088    69080    69088    69080    69080    69080    69088    69080    69088    69080
     WORD  13       73032    73032    73032    77448    73024    77456    73032    77448    73024    77456    73024    77448
     LONG  13       73032    73032    73032    77448    73024    77456    73032    77448    73024    77456    73024    77448
    
     BYTE  14       68816    68816    68816    68816    68816    68808    68808    68816    68808    68816    68816    68816
     WORD  14       72432    72432    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72432    72440    72440
     LONG  14       72440    72432    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72440    72432    72440    72440
    
     BYTE  15       68584    68584    68584    68584    68592    68584    68584    68584    68592    68584    68584    68584
     WORD  15       75616    75616    75616    75616    75624    75624    75616    75616    75616    75616    75616    75616
     LONG  15       75616    75616    75616    75616    75624    75624    75616    75616    75616    75616    75616    75616
    
     BYTE  16       68384    68384    68384    68384    68392    68384    68392    68384    68392    68384    68384    68384
     WORD  16       71496    71504    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71504    71496    71504    71496    71496
     LONG  16       71496    71504    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71504    71496    71504    71496    71496
    
     BYTE  17       68208    68208    68208    68216    68208    68216    68208    68216    68208    68208    68208    68216
     WORD  17      123776   123784   123736   123752   123760    71112    71112    71112   123784   123784   123736   123752        9
     LONG  17      123768   123784   123736   123752   123760    71112    71112    71112   123784   123784   123736   123752        9
    
     BYTE  18       68064    68064    68056    68056    68064    68064    68056    68056    68056    68056    68064    68064
     WORD  18       70776    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776
     LONG  18       70776    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776
    
     BYTE  19       67920    67920    67928    67920    67920    67920    67920    67920    67928    67920    67928    67920
     WORD  19       77816    77816    77816    77824    77808    77816    77816    77808    77808    77808    77816    77824
     LONG  19       77816    77816    77816    77824    77808    77816    77816    77808    77808    77808    77816    77824
    
     BYTE  20       67800    67792    67792    67792    67792    67800    67792    67800    67792    67800    67792    67792
     WORD  20       70216    70216    70224    70224    70216    70216    70216    70224    70224    70216    70224    70224
     LONG  20       70216    70216    70224    70224    70216    70216    70216    70224    70224    70216    70224    70224
    
     BYTE  21       67688    67680    67688    67680    67688    67680    67680    67680    67688    67680    67688    67680
     WORD  21       76456    76456    69984    76448    69976    76456    69976    69984    69984    69984    69984    76448
     LONG  21       69976    69976    69984    76448    69976    76456    69976    69984    69984    69984    69984    76448
    
     BYTE  22       67592    67592    67584    67592    67584    67584    67584    67592    67584    67584    67584    67592
     WORD  22       69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760
     LONG  22       69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760    69768    69760
    
     BYTE  23       67488    67496    67496    67496    67488    67496    67488    67496    67488    67496    67496    67496
     WORD  23       71776    71776    71776    71768    71776    71776    71784    71776    71776    71776    71776    71768
     LONG  23       71776    71776    71776    71768    71776    71776    71784    71776    71776    71776    71776    71768
    
     BYTE  24       67408    67408    67408    67416    67408    67416    67408    67416    67408    67408    67408    67416
     WORD  24       69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69392    69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69400
     LONG  24       69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69392    69392    69400    69392    69400    69392    69400
    
     BYTE  25       67336    67328    67336    67328    67336    67328    67328    67328    67336    67328    67336    67328
     WORD  25       69224    69224    69224    96352    96368    96376    96336    96376    69224    69224    69224    96352        6
     LONG  25       69224    69224    69224    96352    96368    96376    96336    96376    69224    69224    69224    96352        6
    
  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-19 22:26

    Here is the corrected table, which makes two points:

    1. There is no need to do three lots of testing for byte and word and long streaming.
    2. All LONG odd sysclk divisors are missing so must test long streaming.
    Total smartpins = 64   1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
    Rev B silicon.  Sysclock 120.0000 MHz
    
    Fast Block Move Length = 65536 longs
    Streamer frequency = sysclk/D
    
            D
    
     BYTE   1
     WORD   2      131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072   131072       12
     LONG   4
    
     BYTE   -
     WORD   3      589784   589824    98304    98312    98304    98304   589792    98304   589808   589824    98304    98312       12
     LONG   6      589808   589824    98304    98312    98304    98304   589792    98304   589808   589824    98304    98312       12
    
     BYTE   2       87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
     WORD   4       87376    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
     LONG   8       87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384    87384       12
    
     BYTE   -
     WORD   5      126032   126024    81920   109224   126024    81920   109216    81920   109232   126024    81920   109224       12
     LONG  10      109232   126024    81920   109224   126024    81920   109216    81920   109232   126024    81920   109224       12
    
     BYTE   3       98304    78640    98288    78640    78640    98312    78648    98312    78640    78640    98288    78640        5
     WORD   6       98304    78640    78640    98296    78648    98312    98312    78648    98304    98304    78640    98304        7
     LONG  12       98304    78640    78640    98296    78648    98312    98312    78648    98304    98304    78640    98304        7
    
     BYTE   -
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     LONG  14       91744    91744    76456    91760    91752    91752    91752    76464    91752    91744    76456    91760        9
    
     BYTE   4       76720    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728
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     LONG  16       76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728    76728
    
     BYTE   -
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     LONG  18       76936    76936   589800   589800    76936    76936   589760    76936    76936    76936   589800   589800        5
    
     BYTE   5       81904    81920    81912    81920    81912    81928    81920    81928    81920    81920    81912    81920       12
     WORD  10       81912    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81912    81920    81920    81920       12
     LONG  20       81912    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81920    81912    81920    81920    81920       12
    
     WORD  11       90112    90112    90080    90112    90104    90112    90096    90112    90112    90112    90080    90112       12
     LONG  22       90080    90096    90080    90112    90104    90112    90096    90112    90112    90112    90080    90112       12
    
     BYTE   6       74896    74904    74896    74904    74896    74904    74904    74896    74904    74904    74896    74904
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     BYTE   -
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     BYTE   -
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     BYTE   8       71504    71496    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71496    71504    71496    71496    71496
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     BYTE   -
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     BYTE   9       70784    70784    70784    70776    70776    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70784    70776
     WORD  18       70776    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70776    70776    70784    70776
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     BYTE   -
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     BYTE   -
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     BYTE  13       69088    69080    69088    69080    69088    69080    69080    69080    69088    69080    69088    69080
     WORD  26
     LONG  52
    
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     WORD  28
     LONG  56
    
     BYTE  15       68584    68584    68584    68584    68592    68584    68584    68584    68592    68584    68584    68584
     WORD  30
     LONG  60
    
     BYTE  16       68384    68384    68384    68384    68392    68384    68392    68384    68392    68384    68384    68384
     WORD  32
     LONG  64
    
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     WORD  34
     LONG  68
    
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     WORD  36
     LONG  72
    
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     WORD  38
     LONG  76
    
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     WORD  40
     LONG  80
    
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     WORD  42
     LONG  84
    
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     WORD  44
     LONG  88
    
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     WORD  46
     LONG  92
    
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     WORD  48
     LONG  96
    
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     WORD  50
     LONG 100
    
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 00:45

    Those are actual measurements. They are what they are.

    The BYTE label means the streamer is in RFBYTE mode. As such, for a given streamer NCO rate, when compared to RFLONG, it only needs 1/4 of the bandwidth from hubRAM. Hence RFBYTE is effective /4 compared to RFLONG.

    We can certainly ponder as to why some results stand out:

     BYTE   9   1c71c71c    70784    70784    70784    70776    70776    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70784    70776
    SHORT   9   1c71c71c   589760    76936   589800   589800    76936    76936   589760    76936    76936    76936   589800   589800        6
     LONG   9   1c71c71c    76936    76936   589800   589800    76936    76936   589760    76936    76936    76936   589800   589800        5
    

    It's to be expected that, for BYTE mode, the block-fill will complete faster than for SHORT or LONG mode, since BYTE mode is using the least bandwidth and will make the least bursts. And indeed it is quicker fill then: 70784 ticks on the BYTE line vs 76936 ticks on the LONG line. Unimpeded being 65536 ticks.

    More interesting is that there is no difference between SHORT and LONG. Both take 76936 ticks.

    And of course, the eye-popping excursions out to 589760 ticks. Something is going off the rails with those.

  • roglohrogloh Posts: 5,171
    edited 2022-02-20 01:01

    We need to consider the worst case address sequence possible to understand the difference between 1.5N and 9N clock cases for the same NCO divisor and element size.

    It seems to me that somehow the address requests from the two sources might be cycling through a pattern that misses a hub window regularly and wastes slots, but is there a real address pattern that can be issued by the FIFO and the COG's sequential burst transfer that would cause this and make sense. Sysclk divided by 9 seems especially bad, is this because it is 1+egg beater period (or 1+8)?

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 01:19

    Using Tony's formula - https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/comment/1535610/#Comment_1535610

    Take a rough stab of one longword per FIFO burst and voala: T = N / (1 - CR/DB) => 65536 / (1 - (8 * 1) / (9 * 1)) => 589824

  • Yeah but why isn't it always this value, how does it vary...must relate to the address start conditions or (hidden?) FIFO state somehow...

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 12:29

    That's what I want Chip to look into. It just shouldn't happen.

    Attached is a longer run (freshly rerun) up to divider index 511.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 02:45

    Looking through the more primey dividers we do get to see fluctuations in SHORT and LONG measurements.

     BYTE  97   02a3a0fe    65984    65992    65984    65992    65984    65992    65984    65992    65984    65992    65984    65992
    SHORT  97   02a3a0fe    71416    71424    71392    66448    66448    66448    71400    71408    71416    71424    71392    66448
     LONG  97   02a3a0fe    71416    71424    71392    66448    66448    66448    71400    71408    71416    71424    71392    66448
    

    Those are likely expected examples of beat patterns upping the interference. So nothing to worry about there I don't think.

    Although, still the question of why none of these are afflicting the BYTE lines of measurements. Might be related to the more extreme cases (which also don't affect the BYTE lines).

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 05:00

    I think the only way to explain how LONG measurements come out the same as SHORT measurements has to be because each FIFO burst is double length. Namely 12 longwords at a time.

    And impressively this somehow doesn't incur any extra stalls on the block writes. Which is explainable by the burst being 1.5 hubRAM rotations and the remaining 0.5 is perfect to not trigger a second stall in that burst.

  • @evanh said:
    I think the only way to explain how LONG measurements come out the same as WORD measurements has to be because each FIFO burst is double length.

    There is no explanation because LONG and WORD measurements are not the same for same sysclk divisor.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 10:36

    @TonyB_ said:
    There is no explanation because LONG and WORD measurements are not the same for same sysclk divisor.

    The fact that they aren't the same is exactly why they should measure differently ... but don't. So an explanation is needed.

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 12:12

    Well, Roger,
    In my idleness I've now rearranged my diagnostic code from residing in lutRAM to now residing in cogRAM ... then added lutRAM prefilling and hubRAM verifying of the block copy ... and results are all good. Not a single failed check on the content written to hubRAM. :)

    New column on the end of each line showing the number of longword match fails between lutRAM and hubRAM. Should always be zero.

        Block Length is 65536
    
     BYTE    2   80000000    87384    87392    87392    87392    87392    87384    87384    87384    87384    87392    0
    SHORT    2   80000000   131088   131088   131088   131080   131080   131096   131096   131088   131088   131088    0
    
     BYTE    3   55555556    78640    78648    98304    78640    98296    98304    78640    98296    78640    78648    0
    SHORT    3   55555556   589776    98320   589792    98304   589816    98312   589808    98312   589776    98320    0
     LONG    3   55555556   196624   196640   196616   196632   196632   196624   196624   196624   196624   196640    0
    
     BYTE    4   40000000    76728    76728    76720    76720    76720    76720    76720    76720    76728    76728    0
    SHORT    4   40000000    87384    87384    87392    87392    87392    87392    87384    87384    87384    87384    0
     LONG    4   40000000   131088   131088   131088   131064   131080   131072   131096   131072   131088   131088    0
    
     BYTE    5   33333334    81920    81920    81920    81912    81912    81904    81912    81920    81920    81920    0
    SHORT    5   33333334   109224   126040   109224    81920   109224   126024   109216    81920   109224   126040    0
     LONG    5   33333334   218448   218440   218440   218432   218448   218456   218472   218448   218448   218440    0
    
     BYTE    6   2aaaaaaa    74896    74896    74904    74896    74896    74896    74896    74896    74896    74896    0
    SHORT    6   2aaaaaaa    98296    78640    78648    98304    78640    98304    98304    78640    98296    78640    0
     LONG    6   2aaaaaaa    98312   589776    98320   589808    98304   589824    98304   589776    98312   589776    0
    
     BYTE    7   24924924    72432    72440    72432    72440    72432    72432    72432    72440    72432    72440    0
    SHORT    7   24924924    91752    91744    76456    91744    76456    91744    91744    91752    91752    91744    0
     LONG    7   24924924   172032   172024   172032   172032   172008   172032   172016   172040   172032   172024    0
    
     BYTE    8   20000000    71496    71488    71496    71488    71488    71488    71496    71488    71496    71488    0
    SHORT    8   20000000    76728    76728    76728    76728    76720    76720    76720    76720    76728    76728    0
     LONG    8   20000000    87384    87384    87384    87384    87392    87392    87392    87392    87384    87384    0
    
     BYTE    9   1c71c71c    70784    70776    70776    70776    70784    70776    70784    70776    70784    70776    0
    SHORT    9   1c71c71c   589720   589792   589792   589792    76928    76928    76936   589648   589720   589792    0
     LONG    9   1c71c71c   118000   117960   117968   117976   117936   117968   117976   117992   118000   117960    0
    

    Update: Fix bug where it was only verifying hubRAM after last run of each line.
    Update2: Fix bug with not testing longword streamer mode. Had doubled up on shortword! Doh!

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-20 19:09

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  • @evanh said:

    @TonyB_ said:
    There is no explanation because LONG and WORD measurements are not the same for same sysclk divisor.

    The fact that they aren't the same is exactly why they should measure differently ... but don't. So an explanation is needed.

    Evan, please study this:
    https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/comment/1535680/#Comment_1535680

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 11:01

    Tony,
    There's a catch with those equations - The burst size, and interval, is the unknowns we're trying to discover here.

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-20 15:48

    deleted

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192

    It looks backwards.

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-20 15:51

    deleted

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192

    Ooooops! All this time and I hadn't double checked the streamer modes in the tests. The reason why SHORT and LONG tests were the same is because I'd duplicated the shortword mode then not modified it for longword streaming.

    Source code and example report are now re-posted above - https://forums.parallax.com/discussion/comment/1535803/#Comment_1535803

  • roglohrogloh Posts: 5,171
    edited 2022-02-20 12:20

    @evanh said:
    Well, Roger,
    In my idleness I've now rearranged my diagnostic code from residing in lutRAM to now residing in cogRAM ... then added lutRAM prefilling and hubRAM verifying of the block copy ... and results are all good. Not a single failed check on the content written to hubRAM. :)

    Sounds good. It would be rather bad if there was some type of HW bug here where some request came in on a particular clock cycle with certain FIFO+SETQ burst load conditions that messed up the transfer somehow or somehow messed up the FIFO occupancy etc. It's good to rule it out.

    New column on the end of each line showing the number of longword match fails between lutRAM and hubRAM. Should always be zero.

    For some reason the last column pasted above has some non-zeroes, while the second last column is zero. I guess you meant the second last column is the new data check result.
    EDIT: LOL, looks like you just fixed it in an edited post..

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192

    :) Also just solved the identical measurements puzzle. It was a bug of course.

  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-20 15:51

    @evanh said:
    :) Also just solved the identical measurements puzzle.

    Hooray!

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,192
    edited 2022-02-20 13:26

    Right, I'm satisfied everything is solved except why the FIFO would ever burst less than six longwords at once.

    EDIT: Here's an example set of calculations for the #5 divider index based on Tony's work but reoriented toward burst length discovery. It shows the why the poor performance of this divider on many occasions.

     BYTE    5   33333334    81920    81920    81920    81912    81912    81904    81912    81920    81920    81920    0
    SHORT    5   33333334   109224   126040   109224    81920   109224   126024   109216    81920   109224   126040    0
     LONG    5   33333334   218448   218440   218440   218432   218448   218456   218472   218448   218448   218440    0
    
    C (number of cogs) = 8
    D (effective divisor) = 10 (BYTE), 5 (SHORT), 2.5 (LONG)
    Tu (Unimpeded Ticks) = 65536
    Tm (Measured Ticks) = 81920, 126040, 218448
    
    Te (Extra ticks) = Tm - Tu  =>  81920 - 65536 = 16384,  126040 - 65536 = 60504,  218448 - 65536 = 152912
    S (Stalls) = Te / C         =>  16384 / 8 = 2048     ,  60504 / 8 = 7563      ,  152912 / 8 = 19114
    
    Lb (FIFO burst length in longwords) = (C / D) * Tm / Te  =>  Lb = (C / D) * Tm / (Tm - Tu)  =>  Lb = C / (D * (1 - Tu/Tm))
    Lbb = 8 / (10 * (1 - 65536 / 81920)) = 4
    Lbs = 8 / (5 * (1 - 65536 / 81920)) = 8
    Lbl = 8 / (2.5 * (1 - 65536 / 218448)) = 4.57
    
    Lbs = 8 / (5 * (1 - 65536 / 109224)) = 4
    Lbs = 8 / (5 * (1 - 65536 / 126040)) = 3.333
    
  • TonyB_TonyB_ Posts: 2,127
    edited 2022-02-20 15:56

    @evanh said:
    Right, I'm satisfied everything is solved except why the FIFO would ever burst less than six longwords at once.

    Good.

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