Hackaday Discussion with Chip
Cluso99
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Did anyone take part? I just missed it 
Anything interesting?
Any link to the chat?
Anything interesting?
Any link to the chat?
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It's today May 5 US at 12:00 Pacific Time.
Any link? Before it's over.
Actual hackchat page: https://hackaday.io/project/5373-hack-chat
And a picture:
Ken Gracey
I like this line too... (may need a teensy edit..
"That's a limitation of the fab process, 180nm, which is 19 years old, but Parallax can afford to use. It costs about $250 to get to production if your Verilog is done."
Ken Gracey
Just like you say a house is worth 500. We actually mean $500K = $500,000. Everyone knows you can't buy a house for 500 dollars don't they???
Power to the PEOPLE! I think we're getting close as Chip says he's basically done. However, I've been here before and it's very important that the P2 design team on the forums continue to encourage completion over optimization. The remaining tasks are still significant but we've also achieved them before (synthesis, fabrication, documentation, software). Finishing the Propeller 2 is more about providing Chip with true project management support at this stage, along with proper financial backing. As the project has taken many years the expenses have also accumulated (and been paid for), but we will need some additional capital to wrap it up. I'd say that completion is a function of providing capital as much as Chip's work, so some attention is shifting that direction too.
I'm not sure when it will be completed until we publish an internal schedule. I feel that we are ready to do that.
Ken Gracey
I'm just off to Fry's to buy some Parallax goodies. A little capital injection
A couple of the reasons I use Propeller in most of my applications is the relative ease of development and this forum and it's people which is a great resource.
The Propeller 2 whenever it is released will be in great company!
Thank you, Heater. While that purchase was very valuable to us, I'd like to ask that you revisit Fry's about 1,000x in the next two days and make the same purchase again and again. I'll make sure they have inventory!
Ken Gracey
Kickstarter is a possibility. Nothing is being ruled out at this stage. The options depend on what's palatable to Chip's style of working.
Ken Gracey
"people's microprocessor", "power to the people".
Sounding a little anti-establishment and revolutionary here.
Keep it up, I like it!
What about SPIN, the forgotten and neglected people's language?
Now that was weird...I saw that pic and immediately thought of you....tell us more, bud.
It's a very simple i/o board, something specific for work, I could have used a PIC instead but why would I when I'm happy with Prop!
I've made it because the only other product of it's type in the marketplace is more expensive and very limited so I thought I could do a better job myself.
This was just the first batch but I'm looking to redesign it now, same footprint but with more capabilities and go all surface mount.
Chip has Spin at the forefront of his planning as he works on the language. It is a top priority in Propeller 2.
Your concern probably relates to the visibility of C in our educational system, coupled with a clear focus from Parallax over Spin. Had we more quickly produced the next Propeller (1B, or P2) then you'd likely see Spin as a primary focus since it's the main language used in all high-volume Propeller designs. Both languages are important in different markets we serve. As P2 nears completion you will see a focus on Spin as we more effectively figure out how to segment our customers properly and give them all what they want.
Blockly wouldn't have been possible without the C libraries we developed. The educational customers want what they want, not what we wanted to give them in the past. Sometimes we have latitude to create markets; other times we don't.
Ken Gracey
The pasm code will really help all types of interpreters too. So we should see some interesting interpreters as well as Basic.
Cool, love the rugged terminals, are they WAGO?
You still using PropBasic?
What's the skinny on the (very understated) quad decode capability. We have digital filtering, right?
And the 8bit DACs; was I dreaming or did I read mention of a technique (dithering?) that could produce an effective 16bits?
There is usually no free lunch. Dithering can 'soften the steps' but if the steps are non-linear, you will come in a long way short of 16b.
No. Devices such as the 7366 (that, I believe, you brought to my attention) and MC's "QEI" deem a pulse to be valid only if it persists for several clock cycles.
Edit: Oh, maybe that is what you are referring to....I think I misread. LOL.