Paul Baker for President

rjo_

What we need in the White House is a guy that can solve problems.

Paul Baker solves problems.

Thanks Paul

Rich

Ale

rjo_: Sadly, in this kind of structure ("democracy") one man is only a tiny piece of the puzzle, even the president. They long ago stopped responding to the people, they respond only to economic and power groups. Is a whole lot you have to change, the president is only a marionette (especially yours, like the rest).

But if only one person made the difference... you may be right.

deSilva

To prophylactically smooth things out: We foreigners respect - even admire - many of the American presidents..

Paul Baker

At least historically [noparse]:)[/noparse] I don't think that can really be said for the current situation.

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Paul Baker
Propeller Applications Engineer

Parallax, Inc.

Paul Sr.

I certainly hope not!!!

deSilva

This is slippery territory...
There was Lincoln and Kennedy.... I just looked through all of them... finding a third one might depends on your age or membership-book..
I personally like Zachary Taylor best

Paul Baker

Oh there's a few others; Jefferson, Monroe,·FDR, Teddy Roosevelt and Wilson all had administrations which greatly affected the US (and in most respects, the world) in a generally positive way. And there is quite a large segment of the American populace which raises Reagan to almost god-like proportions, but I think the jury is still out on his legacy (I personally think he got credit for things which he only had a supporting role in).

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Paul Baker
Propeller Applications Engineer

Parallax, Inc.

Post Edited (Paul Baker (Parallax)) : 12/21/2007 8:37:34 PM GMT

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)

Don't forget that Lincoln supended habeus corpus, and Kennedy invaded Cuba's Bay of Pigs. It took martyrdom, unfortunately, to boost legacies that — in Lincoln's case anyway — would've stood the test of time regardless.

Truman comes to mind: he was a plain-spoken straight-shooter who reaffirmed civilian authority over the military by firing Gen. MacArthur. He was reviled for it at the time, though.

Carter was probably the smartest, most honest president we've had recently; but he didn't wield his power effectively.

And let's not forget Washington. He was much more than just a war hero, but a true statesman in his own right.

I find it remarkable that deSilva would name Zachary Taylor whom, I would wager, nine out of ten Americans know almost nothing about. At least I didn't. How many German chancellors could most of us name or recognize? (I could probably pick Willy Brandt out of a lineup, but that's about it — sadly.)

-Phil

deSilva

There is - and has to be! - a quite different appreciation from abroad than from within...
On one hand Truman was extremely helpful for the development of Europe after WWII. This was a long lasting (and still lasting) positive effect. On the other hand he did not fight the McCarthy activities, but this was nothing but a passing disorder, successfully overcome by the '64 generation. So yes! I should accept Truman

@Phil: You must be aware that I chose Taylor just for provocation. But wouldn't it be nice to have presidents who piecefully die in their office while the people are digging gold out in the country

Post Edited (deSilva) : 12/21/2007 9:18:14 PM GMT

deSilva

German Chancellors are a topic of its own. I am aware that - at least! - three Germans are active in this forum, not to count the Swiss and the Dutch...

Willy Brandt is best known of all, for many reasons, and I think we Germans would also set him on top, disregarding our political orientation..
Helmuth Schmidt and Helmuth Kohl were extremely successful, each in his own fashion, but it will be diffcult to decide what they did, or the "zeitgeist".

Going back to Weimar some will remember Gustav Stresemann (maybe because of his suit?) and Friedrich Ebert, but both had little time to form history.

That was different with Otto von Bismarck during the "Second Kaiserreich" - and I am sure ALL Americans know his name, if any.

Chris Savage

This thread is being moved from the Propeller Forum to the Sandbox Forum.

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Chris Savage
Parallax Tech Support

PJAllen

How much longer should this go on before I throw in my two farthings?

Paul Baker

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
I find it remarkable that deSilva would name Zachary Taylor whom, I would wager, nine out of ten Americans know almost nothing about. At least I didn't. How many German chancellors could most of us name or recognize? (I could probably pick Willy Brandt out of a lineup, but that's about it — sadly.)

-Phil

Cheating by looking at a list, I could have named 5 (3 I already knew), the ones I already knew are Merkel, Schroder and Hitler, the names I recognize but couldn't think of immediately are Goebbels and Hermann Muller. Can you see the pattern of my knowledge? The recent ones and the war Chancellors.

PJ, as long as it's not too political, chime in.

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Paul Baker
Propeller Applications Engineer

Parallax, Inc.

sam_sam_sam

Hi, Every One

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Post Edited (sam_sam_sam) : 12/22/2007 2:36:03 AM GMT

Paul Baker

Sam, thats a little·too political for the forums. Let's refrain from getting into a political agument, we all have our views but this isn't the appropriate venue for them.

Thanks,

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Paul Baker
Propeller Applications Engineer

Parallax, Inc.

deSilva

Oops, what a pity I missed Sam's remarks

As history is one of my favourite hobbies, "rating" famous (or let's say: well known) persons is a most entertaining game. Long range and short range accomplishments generally become shaded by gossip and myth. My pet examples for these are King Arthur and Napoleon Bonaparte...