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Prop II maybe Prop III ??

SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
edited 2007-09-06 00:14 in Propeller 1
Sorry my bad English but I have 2 Questions / Suggestion

Look pictures !!

More crazy suggestion’s to next generation “Propeller chip”

Ps.
It is customers that buy this chip so giv him good product.

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Sapieha

Post Edited (Sapieha) : 9/8/2007 11:10:11 PM GMT
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  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-03 23:25
    It is only one idea.

    In Shift Reg's.jpg - Sys clok /X else PLL *X
    It speech for it self (Versalite Serie Communikation)

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    Sapieha
  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2007-09-04 01:42
    Sorry Sapieha, your questions are riddles....
    Can you ask in some other language: The people here speak German, Dutch, Spanish and even more languages and can most likely translate.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 02:02
    My lagage is Polisz and Swedish only

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    Sapieha
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 03:34
    Hej. Mr. deSilva

    Du har skrivit att jag kan skriva i en annan spr
  • lrumlerlrumler Posts: 5
    edited 2007-09-04 06:33
    Sapela,

    I don't read Swedish... so I put your text into an online translator. Here is the result:

    hi Mr. design You have clerical error that self able write in an other language. Problem with Propeler Tools 1.05.5 am exposing themselves on two ulika s
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2007-09-04 06:41
    Sapieha, we are aware there is an issue with BlueTooth modules and the Tool, we are working on a solution but do not have a satifiscatory means of dealing with it we are happy with. Can you disable your BlueTooth module, that should take care of the problem in the meantime.

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    Paul Baker
    Propeller Applications Engineer

    Parallax, Inc.
  • HenrikHenrik Posts: 10
    edited 2007-09-04 06:45
    Sapieha said...
    Hej. Mr. deSilva

    Du har skrivit att jag kan skriva i en annan spr
  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2007-09-04 07:12
    lrumler said...
    ... so I put your text into an online translator. Here is the result:

    O dear! Back-changing the text to our common Germanic roots and adding the German vowel shifts gives a much clearer idea what he wants than this!!!
    But I like the piece: "Mr. Design" smile.gif

    @Christoffer

    What I now understand is that you made a suggestion to add a fast internally clocked SHIFT-IN and SHIFT-OUT logic

    My personal opinion is this:
    (a) You can easily use the Video Logic for "shift-out"
    (b) "shift-in" is something many have already missed, for reading video signals or a fast serial protocol generated by another Propeller, or for just simplifying the code of slow seriel protocols. It will improve the serial SPIN drivers considerably!

    Regarding machine code in the COG: As you have to use the input data somehow, which will take - say - 50 ticks on the current Propeller = 620 ns. Shifting-in 32 bits can be done by 20 ns/Bit = 50 MHz at most.
    (c) Though it is not in the "spirit" of the Propeller to add "specific silicon" I should suport your request!

    Post Edited (deSilva) : 9/4/2007 7:30:46 AM GMT
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 07:19
    Henrik Tack. f
  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-09-04 07:34
    Translated using an automated tool, so don't laugh, please...

    Wy nie jesteście pierwsza osoba pytać o ten (to). Z nadzieją *Parallax* będzie dodawać ten (to) *functionality* do następnej wersji *Propeller* Narzędzie (obrabia&#263[noparse];)[/noparse].

    Du
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 07:44
    Mr. deSilva
    Yes. It is my suggestion to add a fast internally clocked SHIFT-IN and SHIFT-OUT logic.
    It is only one suggestion to very fast seriel comunikation Prop-Master to Prop-Slave and much more bat only if it have variation in length (4 to 32 bits in waitShift IN-OUT flag test)

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  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 08:03
    Mr.deSilva You ... said...

    Regarding machine code in the COG: As you have to use the input data somehow, which will take - say - 50 ticks on the current Propeller = 620 ns. Shifting-in 32 bits can be done by 20 ns/Bit = 50 MHz at most


    Bat You mising PLL funktion in my suggestion (Sys Clock * X ) = (80MHz*X) On maybe 2 ticks on the current Propeller for Shifting-in 32 bits

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  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2007-09-04 08:45
    Please skip the "Mr." I am just "deSilva" smile.gif

    The problem is not the clock speed but the processing. Just shifting data in is - as the Americans say (do they?) - "pissing in the wind" smile.gif In makes little sense to be much faster than the processing. A little bit faster is fine, as you have an asynchronious protocol here which needs synchronisation by other means (start bit = "attention bit", either on the same line or a different line), which can vary considerably...

    Of course, the "word-length" of the signal is also very important and must be flexible; this is when the instruction stops, or - even better - it should be arranged in the same way as the Video Logic: Waiting only at the following SHIFTIN instruction.
  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2007-09-04 08:56
    Me said...
    Waiting only at the following SHIFTIN instruction

    Oh well, this is nasty. You have to know or course, when the SHIFTIN has completed to process the word.
    Polling it is way to slow. (2 instructions!) And how? A new flag? Shudder! But blocking the instruction flow is no good either....
  • AribaAriba Posts: 2,685
    edited 2007-09-04 09:22
    Sapieha

    Look at this Thread:
    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=665055

    in posting number 10, you can find a little tool, that solves your problem with the bluetooth device.

    Andy
  • deSilvadeSilva Posts: 2,967
    edited 2007-09-04 09:25
    Ariba, how come you know all threads by heart??
  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-09-04 09:29
    deSilva said...
    Ariba, how come you know all threads by heart??
    I bet he secretly works for Google.

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  • AribaAriba Posts: 2,685
    edited 2007-09-04 09:30
    No, Google was working for me...
  • ErNaErNa Posts: 1,749
    edited 2007-09-04 09:40
    To me, sunrise would be the implemetation of a channel mechanism like known from Occam and Transputers. This would be great and btw, it the transputer links survived in ad#s sharc, blackfin etc. This would open a way to numbercrunching. Just:

    out channel# data

    and then

    in channel# data

    a separate definition table defines the linking of the channels. and it will not make a difference, if the cogs are located in separated chips!

    will the dark days twindle?
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 09:56
    Ariba Thanks.

    However D-Link is not only problem.
    If I start my "second" programs it is same problem but bluetooth device is not in computer.
    However Com port is not blocked, if it is blocked by my "second program" Propeler tools funktions OK! and talking "Com port not accessible"

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  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2007-09-04 10:00
    Paul Baker (Parallax) said...
    Sapieha, we are aware there is an issue with BlueTooth modules and the Tool, we are working on a solution but do not have a satifiscatory means of dealing with it we are happy with. Can you disable your BlueTooth module, that should take care of the problem in the meantime.

    Paul, could you not have a Lock to Port Setting in PropTool, so people can just set the port once, and just lock it to that port, it's a sure fire way to·fix the bluetooth bug [noparse]:)[/noparse] and I'm sure you'll agree, it's a quick and easy hack/fix.

    Baggers
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 10:14
    deSilva Thanks.

    It was only basically idea.
    But have many capabilites.

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  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-04 23:36
    Thanks Baggers.

    It is my suggestion but I think BOTH Setings maybe.
    One people want have AUTO and other manually.

    I'm sure you'll agree !!

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  • Fred HawkinsFred Hawkins Posts: 997
    edited 2007-09-05 00:17
    deSilva said...
    Ariba, how come you know all threads by heart??
    Probably he bookmarks them to a folder named 'useful prop stuff'.
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2007-09-05 22:12
    Hi Sepieha, Im still having a little difficulty with the language barrier, but when I was talking about disabling the bluetooth device I mean to go into Windows Control Panel, System Utility, Hardware Tab, Device manager. Find the Bluetooth device then right click and choose disable. This will make the bluetooth disapear to windows and should solve the problem. It's a hack, but it should work.

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    Parallax, Inc.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-05 22:44
    Hi Paul.

    I plan to use bluetooth device in my construktion. I can disable it but dis is wrong way.

    Only way I accept is one more option in Propeler Tool – RUN – Yow have now.
    1. Compile Curent
    2. Compile Top
    3. Identify Hardware

    Give me one option
    4. Manual Port Seting

    Thanks

    Ps. Paul I can’t help language barrier. I have never teach English i school and Forum is my forst attempt to writing in English. Sorry

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    Post Edited (Sapieha) : 9/5/2007 11:24:02 PM GMT
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2007-09-05 23:27
    No, it's ok that your English isn't perfect, heck your English is a million times better than my Sweedish [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    We are familiar with the problems bluetooth devices have with the Propeller Tool. The amusing thing is that it use to work with bluetooth devices much better, but we had so many requests to support USB to Serial adapters that do not follow the standard protocol for registration, that when we made it so they would work, the bluetooth devices started causing problems. At some point we will have a solution to the problem, but the guy who does the coding for it has been so busy with other responsibilities he hasn't had much time to work with the Tool for a while now. But we will get to the problem.

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    Parallax, Inc.

    Post Edited (Paul Baker (Parallax)) : 9/5/2007 11:31:55 PM GMT
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-05 23:39
    Hi Paul

    Thanks for replay.

    I understand.
    If I can manually set up Propeller Tool to ComPort I will have then I have no problem !!

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  • AribaAriba Posts: 2,685
    edited 2007-09-05 23:54
    Sapieha

    Have you tried out, the PropUp Tool (I have posted the link before in this Thread) ?
    You can manually set 4 COM ports to 4 different Propellers. If you upload the code with this Tool, there will be no Search on the COM ports, it only uses the defined Port number.

    Andy
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2007-09-06 00:14
    Hi Ariba

    This tool is OK but will have control over Program, no program control my.
    I will completely stop Auto search. I have other program’s in my computer whom still have problem with Auto serch.

    Ps. In Sweden spoken we ”I living in free country and nothing have power over my”

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    Post Edited (Sapieha) : 9/6/2007 12:22:33 AM GMT
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