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Implantable RFID chips!

GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
edited 2007-09-10 09:01 in Robotics
Hi I have the project toImplant a Implantable RFID chips on my body for robotic use.

I want to Know if it's a good idea and what can i do whit a RFID chips. And what kind of RFID chips and RFID reader should I use?

And there is 2 type of ship: 125 KHz and 13.56 KHz what's the diference?

Here is some link:

Parallax RFID chips: www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=28149

Trossenrobotics RFID chips: www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3618-Extra-Small-Glass-Ampoule-Tag.aspx

Wiki page on RFID chips: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RFID

RFID Reader Module: www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=28140

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Post Edited (Ghostintherobot) : 8/20/2007 3:55:15 AM GMT

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  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2007-08-20 03:52
    I guess the first question is what do you expect to accomplish by doing this? People have been implanted for several reasons in the past but it has been for research or reasons akin to 'I think I'll get a tatoo/body piercing/brand today'

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  • GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
    edited 2007-08-20 03:58
    Your right Franklin i want to implant a ship to open door,light, to be able to turn on robot... every thing a robot fan whish to smile.gif

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  • GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
    edited 2007-08-20 14:39
    Can someone help me smile.gif ???

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  • willy1067willy1067 Posts: 107
    edited 2007-08-20 14:47
    Why not simply wear the RFID chip as a Dogtag?

    No marks to show, I guess... or just too easy. but it will be easy to replace the battery.

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  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-08-20 14:53
    If you implant something like that, make sure you put it in a spot where the tag is not likely to migrate to another part of your body. You don't want it anywhere near a nerve or you could end up with chronic pain or tingling.

    Gr,
    Mightor

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2007-08-20 20:02
    Mightor said...
    If you implant something like that, make sure you put it in a spot where the tag is not likely to migrate to another part of your body. You don't want it anywhere near a nerve or you could end up with chronic pain or tingling.

    Gr,
    Mightor

    Or infection, blood flow blockage/restriction, joint problems, etc.· The list of potential side effects could go on forever.

    A better question might be "who" will do the implanting.· This is nothing short of a medical procedure.

    It is likely for these reasons that others are reluctant to help you with "how".

    Setting that foolishness aside, You may also be disapointed in the results even if you did manage to get it done.· The read distance with any tag that small is pertty short, and this may also limit "where" you could put the tag, and still read it.

    You might want to search the forums for "biometrics".· I vaguely recall someone talking about finding a thumbprint scanner that could interface with a microprocessor.


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  • Skywalker49Skywalker49 Posts: 172
    edited 2007-08-20 20:43
    without joking .. most animals (MUST) have one these days. So talk to the vet. to get more info.

    good luck and keep us posted.

    Ed
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2007-08-20 20:59
    What is acceptable for pet use is not the same as human use, in the US products such as the subcutaneous RFID tag must be authorized and inspected by the FDA. Use of any mechanized means of insertion must also be approved. While you are not in the United States, I am sure France or whereever you live has an equivalent body to inspect and approve medical devices. There is a very good reason both Parallax and Trossen clearly state not to use the tags as medical devices, my advice is to use willy's suggestion and get a wearable tag.

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  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2007-08-20 21:02
    Ghostintherobot,

    In case you elect to take one of our RFID devices to a doctor and you talk him into an injection, count on everything going wrong. Know that our tags·are not approved for·such use, and that Parallax isn't responsible for anything you decide to do with our tags. Just for the record -·and I·don't like particularly care for attorney·tactics - here's our first legal exhibit.
    1. Parallax products are not intended for any kind of medical use.
    2. The consumer is responsible for any medical problem created as a result of using our products outside of their recommended use.
    3. Parallax RFID products are not designed for any kind of human-implanted uses.
    4. Using the RFID products for any kind of human ID or medical use (such as by injection) is done so solely at the risk of the consumer.
    5. Impanting our RFID tags into your body could make you sick, cause infections or disease, and could even kill you. Count on this happening.

    Finally, those little tags have a short reception distance with our RFID reader. I don't even think they'll work through your skin. Would be a shame to go through all the hassle just to find out your project doesn't work. And this is a bad idea. Aside from being a discussion point for a cocktail party, it's probably useless except for personal uses. Cool, I guess so, but functional, no. People have done it anyway and you can find them on the internet.

    Sincerely,

    Ken Gracey
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2007-08-20 21:10
    I'd try to embed a tag into a ring.
    Wear the ring, and you have the tag.
    I never take my wedding band off (I don't even think I could now my fingers are larger than they used to be). So I guess my ring is just about as good as implanted.

    Also I think the really small tags are glass. Just think what would happen if you got into a car accident and it broke. NOT FUN.

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  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2007-08-20 21:34
    Bean (Hitt Consulting) said...
    I'd try to embed a tag into a ring.
    Wear the ring, and you have the tag.
    I know that law inforcement has developed a similar system for pistols. The officers wears a ring that allows him/her to fire their pistol. If their gun is taken from them, the other person cannot fire it.

    The tag in a ring seems a more reasonable approach!

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  • GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
    edited 2007-08-20 23:07
    Thanks everybody for giving your idea.

    But i saw on a forum that a LOT of person had a implant tag like this: www.trossenrobotics.com/store/p/3618-Extra-Small-Glass-Ampoule-Tag.aspx and they say it work perfecly.(through the skin toosmile.gif)(The glass of the trossenrobotic ampoule is special for implant)

    and they say that a percing profecional can make it for me.
    Ken Gracey (Parallax) said...
    Ghostintherobot,

    In case you elect to take one of our RFID devices to a doctor and you talk him into an injection, count on everything going wrong. Know that our tags are not approved for such use, and that Parallax isn't responsible for anything you decide to do with our tags. Just for the record - and I don't like particularly care for attorney tactics - here's our first legal exhibit.


    * Using the RFID products for any kind of human ID or medical use (such as by injection) is done so solely at the risk of the consumer.

    * Impanting our RFID tags into your body could make you sick, cause infections or disease, and could even kill you. Count on this happening.

    That's why a profecional will sterilize it before injection and nobody need to know that i got a RRFIDsmilewinkgrin.gif

    and the Tag is usual implanted in the hand.

    I dont want to be bad weed all of you weed this reply i just want to be sure that it's a realy a bad idea (because ild love to be taged) eyes.gif

    Here is a Faq to RFID Tag implant tagged.kaos.gen.nz/faq/

    and a forum for www.rfidtoys.net/forum/

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    Post Edited (Ghostintherobot) : 8/20/2007 11:21:54 PM GMT
  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2007-08-21 01:48
    Some reading www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1756577,00.asp

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  • GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
    edited 2007-08-21 04:28
    Nice pic:www.flickr.com/photos/28129213@N00/127293920/

    Some tagged person:tagged.kaos.gen.nz/showthread.php?t=26

    Quick HowTo LOL:pyrodisiacs.com/tag/

    USB reader :www.rfidshop.com/index.asp?function=DISPLAYPRODUCT&productid=1120

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    Post Edited (Ghostintherobot) : 8/21/2007 4:52:11 AM GMT
  • allanlane5allanlane5 Posts: 3,815
    edited 2007-08-21 14:15
    Even the link you called out for the glass ampoule RFID tag has a disclaimer that the company does not support its being implanted.

    And even the tag reader you gave the link for says the reading distance is like 3 CENTIMETERS.

    Point being -- this stuff is NOT magic, it requires the tag to be put really-really close to the reader for it to work. Yes, it might be nice for your home automation system to read your RFID tag as you go through doors and always know where you are in the house. But the current RFID hardware does not support that application.
  • GhostintherobotGhostintherobot Posts: 16
    edited 2007-08-22 22:38
    Somebody said...
    Even the link you called out for the glass ampoule RFID tag has a disclaimer that the company does not support its being implanted.

    Peaple did implant it ant there is no problem rolleyes.gif
    Somebody said...
    And even the tag reader you gave the link for says the reading distance is like 3 CENTIMETERS.

    3cm is good rolleyes.gif
    Somebody said...
    and always know where you are in the house

    I know but it could be cool smile.gif

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2007-09-10 09:01
    While it might be cool, those considering this might want to read the following:

    news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070909/ap_on_re_us/chipping_america_ii_2

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