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Free CAD program to design (simple) robot bodies

MightorMightor Posts: 338
edited 2007-08-16 23:01 in General Discussion
Hey there peeps,

I am looking to make a mini-sumo robot body out of Plexiglas material but I am not sure if using 5mm blocked paper and a pencil is the way to go here. I have no budget worth speaking of so anything commercial is out. Are there any good free alternatives out there that people have used and found to be good? I'll resort to paper if I have to but that's just sooooo 4000BC.

Gr,
Mightor

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2007-07-31 16:45
    There's nothing wrong with "trialware" for simple, one-off projects. With the trial version of RhinoCAD, for example, you get up to 25 saves and no time limit. For something truly free, Google's SketchUp may prove adequate.

    -Phil
  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2007-07-31 17:09
    See the Alibre web site. They offer a truely free version of their higher end products. There are limits to what the free version can do, but it might meet your needs:

    www.alibre.com/xpress/software/alibre-design-xpress.asp

    Also try and "google" feeware CAD. There are a few other options out there.

    Also, if you use CAD at work, most of the licenses allow you to load the software at home. You should make sure that your company policy, as well as the software license, allows this.

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  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-07-31 18:07
    I don't use any CAD products at work so no freebies for me [noparse]:)[/noparse] I will look at SketchUp, Alibre and RhinoCAD. Thanks for that!

    Gr,
    Mightor

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  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2007-07-31 18:24
    You might also be interested in Blender: www.blender.org
  • LawsonLawson Posts: 870
    edited 2007-07-31 18:47
    heh, Need a high end CAD system? Well, a cheap system I've use for updating existing designs and quickie prototypes is Cardboard Aided Design. (yep CAD, pun intended) simply cut and fold a piece of cardboard into the final shape. Once everything fits right, unfold it and draw out a more precise print.

    Hm... one thing CAD software does make easier is weight estimates. Anywho, paper and pencil may be old tech, but they still work just fine.

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  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-07-31 19:01
    Lawson said...
    heh, Need a high end CAD system? Well, a cheap system I've use for updating existing designs and quickie prototypes is Cardboard Aided Design. (yep CAD, pun intended) simply cut and fold a piece of cardboard into the final shape. Once everything fits right, unfold it and draw out a more precise print.

    Hm... one thing CAD software does make easier is weight estimates. Anywho, paper and pencil may be old tech, but they still work just fine.
    I had been thinking of using SPAD/CAM, Squared Paper Aided Design, Cardboard Aided Manufacturing. The 5mm squared paper is the only thing at work that was remotely usable for robotics. Draw on the squared paper, glue that on the cardboard and then stick it together [noparse]:)[/noparse] I am not too worried about weight, tbh, the amount of plastic I intend to use will not amount to much.

    If paper was good enough for the Egyptians to build their pyramids with mm precision, I guess I'll manage designing a 10x10cm robot with it.

    Gr,
    Mightor

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2007-07-31 19:22
    Mightor said...
    If paper was good enough for the Egyptians to build their pyramids with mm precision, ...
    Um, wouldn't that be mc (millicubit) precision?
  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-07-31 19:29
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) said...
    Mightor said...
    If paper was good enough for the Egyptians to build their pyramids with mm precision, ...
    Um, wouldn't that be mc (millicubit) precision?
    Of course, my bad [noparse]:)[/noparse]

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  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2007-08-01 00:31
    You might try this site www.emachineshop.com/

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  • SawmillerSawmiller Posts: 276
    edited 2007-08-01 02:16
    i know you said your budget is non-exsistant,but....
    i got turbocad deluxe v11 off ebay (brandnew) for $11 including shipping. i use it to draw projects for my cnc router.... for· the price /power i dont think it can be beat.
    dan
    ps it has the ability to draw house plans too, sometimes a good justifcation
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  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-08-01 03:49
    I like this emachineshop concept! I wonder if anyone's ever thought of opening something like that in Europe. For one thing it would mean customers wouldn't have to pay the 19% import tax. I will check out the program to see what it's like though. Who knows, I may not end up making use of their services, but at least I get a free program out of it!

    Sawmiller, as for using the house excuse, haha, I am not sure it would fly. We own an apartment right now and the chance of us owning a house, let alone designing and building one in the next couple of years is slim to none [noparse]:)[/noparse] Thanks for trying though.
    I will, however, check out EBay to see if I can find TurboCAD. Are these kinds of programs hard to use? I have never used a CAD program tbh.

    Gr,
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  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2007-08-01 06:08
    If you can get a copy of TurboCAD 11 or better, there are some free & not free training videos available for not too much money at www.cadcourse.net.

    Also, cadcourse.net is selling TurboCAD Deluxe v14 for $99, and it comes with a training CD for 2D CAD. The CD is only available in the non-upgrade editions, so purchasing an older version via ebay won't get you the training cd, but you could get the v14 Deleuxe upgrade for $50.

    There is also a 2D only version of v14 called TurboCAD Designer v14, which can be found in some retail stores (in the US), and a few places online. It retails for $40, but it also has the same training CD as the deluxe version.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2007-08-01 06:34
    Mightor,

    The eMachineShop website looks like a clearing house for multiple service providers. I doubt that they do any machining themselves. That said, there's no reason to assume they don't have service providers in Europe.

    I looked at several of their tutorials this evening and came away rather impressed. Most design work is done in two steps: a CAD drawing, followed by the CAM post-processing. This can make the CAM part very difficult, since so much has to be inferred from the original drawing. What's neat about their approach is that the CAD and CAM steps are blended together. As you create the drawing, what you're actually creating are the machining steps required to produce the desired shape. This makes the CAM part (which you never see) much easier for the service providers and, consequently, less expensive.

    I used to produce my own printed circuit boards. But internet-based service providers have rendered that a senseless endeavor — even for one-off protos. I still own a CNC mill, but I now wonder how much longer it will make sense to machine my own parts!

    -Phil
  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-08-01 07:03
    I will mail them and ask if they have European providers. I had a look at a tutorial this morning and I have to agree, they do make it rather easy to make a part.

    Gr,
    Mightor

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  • Robotics IndiaRobotics India Posts: 4
    edited 2007-08-01 08:05
    Try Doga L2
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2007-08-01 10:09
    Doga is really a Renderer/animator program, not a CAD program in the classic sense, and it may be difficult to get proper drawings from it.

    It IS fun to play with, though...
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  • OSOKOSOK Posts: 35
    edited 2007-08-01 16:43
    Emachineshop is great... it just costs an arm and a leg if you want to do anything just for you. Just try making a simple plate, and see how much it'd cost. That concept is better if you plan on making on hundreds of something.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2007-08-02 11:03
    I also, think you should take a look at Google SketchUp. The basic version is a free download and I think it will do what you want.

    Go here to see some examples of what it can do:

    3D Warehouse





    edit: spelling and such

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  • MightorMightor Posts: 338
    edited 2007-08-02 11:15
    RDL2004 said...
    I really think you should take a look at Google SketchUp. It's basic version is a free download and I think it will do what you want.
    here is a link to it, read some and see what you think.

    http://sketchup.google.com/

    Go here to see some examples of what it can do:

    http://sketchup.google.com/3dwarehouse/
    Yeah, I checked out the tutorials, they're great and the examples look awesome.

    Gr,
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  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2007-08-02 15:43
    Hey Everyone,

    For those of you using Google Sketch Up, are you using any of the bonus packs?

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  • DgswanerDgswaner Posts: 795
    edited 2007-08-02 21:10
    I can't recommend Sketchup enough epically if you don't have CAD experience. the main point of Sketchup is to basically give you a virtual pencil for conceptual drawing. The program is Free, they have online video tutorials, and a great forum. actually using sketchup just makes sense, no commads to memorize or wierd terms. I'd give it a go at least. once you get down the road you can export anything you make into a cad program and make the actual part blueprints.

    I find that 99% of the stuff on 3dwharehouse is junk. you have to pay but I prefer getting models from sites like www.formfonts.com

    if you end up using sketchup, Id invest in a few plugins at www.smustard.com also if you had any question about how to use sketchup feel free to ask.

    It's on my to do list to make a lot of the common of the shelf robotics components, batteries, servos, parallax modules. so when designing a bot Its easy to know if a part will fit and how it will look. I'd love to make this a community effort.

    good luck.

    Whit, I do use the bonus packs but not that much. I use sketchup for work and that's where I really use them.

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  • CAD-UserCAD-User Posts: 1
    edited 2007-08-15 13:53
    I happend to come across a free 3D CAD Software called

    CoCreate OneSpace Modeling Personal Edition (PE)

    which I can recommend to you.

    Check out: www.CoCreate.com/free

    Best Regards,

    >CAD-User
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2007-08-16 06:10
    Mightor,

    An old program that I have used in the past is called DRAFT Choice... The version I have is really old .. version 1.51a (<- read old DOS program), and I would probably still use it if it would allow me to print to a USB printer.
    One day perhaps I'll try to come up with a workaround.· For now, I still use it every now and then mostly·to work an idea out of my head.

    What was nice, is that I could print out an exact scale on a piece of paper and 77-spray (<- Spray adhesive) the paper to whatever material I wanted to use... Wood, plastic, metal, etc. Then it was off to the band-saw, grinder, drill-press, etc.

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2007-08-16 23:01
    Beau;

    Try the following to get at your USB printer:

    * Turn on File and Print Sharing.

    * Share the printer on the USB port.

    * Connect to the printer via the following command line:

    net use lpt1: \\MyComputer\PrinterShareName

    I've used this trick with several types of programs that didn't support newer printer connections and/or "normal" print connections.

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