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Trouble with midi selecting drum set 1-9

metron9metron9 Posts: 1,100
edited 2006-10-09 03:34 in General Discussion
I have a Roland sound canvas general midi device. I am able to send notes to channel 10 and get the default drumset #1

When I try and send a program change 1100 1010 The modual says NO KIT, where it normally says d -1 ... d -9 it reads d - 0

Anyone know how to do this. I would think most other general midi devices would have the same codes or is it in the BANK CHANGE that this selection is done?

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  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2006-10-08 19:57
    Most MIDI Devices I have seen require the typical (standard) kit numbers to be sent.· I would try sending those and see what happens.· For example:

    000 - Standard

    008 - Room

    016 - Power

    024 - Electronic

    025 - TR-808

    032 - Jazz

    040 - Brush

    048 - Orchestra

    056 - SFX

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    Chris Savage
    Parallax Tech Support
  • metron9metron9 Posts: 1,100
    edited 2006-10-09 01:43
    Thank's that works, I bought the Complete MIDI 1.0 Detailed Specification second edition manual I cant find any listing or reference to drum kits, it's a pretty lame manual actually for the price, Parallax makes better manuals for free.

    Searching google now I found this list so I guess there is no real standard in this area.

    The Program numbers you show work great, thank's again.


    Program # Drum Kit
    1 Standard Drum Kit
    9 Room Drum Kit
    17 Power Drum Kit
    25 Electric Drum Kit
    26 Rap TR808 Drums
    33 Jazz Drum Kit
    41 Brush Kit

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  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2006-10-09 02:44
    metron9,
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    ·· No problem…In case you can’t tell I am into MIDI as well.· I play keyboard and drums and my keyboard is really a MIDI Controller.· It’s the computer or rather, my Sound Card that generates the MIDI.· But for every keyboard I had with drum kits following MIDI standard, they used similar numbers to what I posted.· Take Care.

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  • ForrestForrest Posts: 1,341
    edited 2006-10-09 03:28
    Actually, there is a standard called General Midi 1.0, but the problem is GM 1 only allows for 1 drum kit. The same year GM1 (1991) was announced, Roland came up with GS - which is an extended version of GM with multiple drum kits (among other things) and a Yamaha introduced a different extension called XG. Here's a chart with all the gory details en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_MIDI_standards - check the Wiki for more links.

    Apple licensed many of the instruments in GS from Roland back in 1994 and included it in QuickTime. Originally they were just 8-bit samples that sounded pretty bad but Apple fixed this years ago and QuickTime now includes descent sounding instruments.
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2006-10-09 03:34
    Forrest,
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    ·· The Roland stuff may have used 8-bit samples for a long time, but Creative Labs has made it easy for some time now to create your own instrument patches through what are called, “Sound Fonts”.· The Piano sound I use on my system is 25MB due to the length and quality of each sample used to make the instrument.· And that is just one instrument!· Of course, when loaded it takes 25MB of memory, but at 2GB I don’t mind it.

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