Looking to start, need help
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Just last night I had a melt down. Here is the story,· http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?p=599324
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I would like to start working with the propeller but I don’t know if it would be in the best interest for me. I was thinking of getting the Propeller Demo Board to learn. My question is. Compared to the Basic Stamp, is it allot more complicated to learn to program, or is it about the same? I understand this question I pretty vague, but I would like to know how much of a change was it for you?
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I would like to start working with the propeller but I don’t know if it would be in the best interest for me. I was thinking of getting the Propeller Demo Board to learn. My question is. Compared to the Basic Stamp, is it allot more complicated to learn to program, or is it about the same? I understand this question I pretty vague, but I would like to know how much of a change was it for you?
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The propeller is much more advanced than the BASIC Stamp. You are dealing with the actual silicon and you have 8 microcontrollers plus a task master in the same chip. You can start off simple using a single COG and then use additional COGs as you feel more confident. Download SPIN and the Propeller manual and write & compile a couple programs tomake sure you get a feel for the difference in how the Propeller is programmed compare to PBASIC. I didn't ave any problems but I've been doing this for 30 years so I am not a typical case because I've also been writing software for the past 30 years as well.
Regards,
Oliver
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Who says you have to have knowledge to use it?
I've killed a fly with my bare mind.
In the issue of Nuts and Volts that just came out, Jon Williams does a nice piece on taking Stepper Motor Controller code in PBASIC and translating it to SPIN. That will give you a good idea of the conceptual differences.
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cheers ... brian riley, n1bq, underhill center, vermont
See the K107 Serial LCD Controller at
www.wulfden.org/k107/
have done most of the stuff that the demo does with the propstick and a breadboard, just tear out the previous experiment and go to it... i havent had years of bs experence, but it's not been extremely hard, what with the experince and willingness of the forum members to answer questions..( as long as you define the question)
dan
I will have to wait for Parallax to have it on there site. But thank you.
Sawmiller,
I just ordered the PROPSTICK today, can’t wait for it to come in.
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We all make mistakes when we are young………That’s why paste is edible!
I find either is a good stress reliever, and great for toolin around with, but i'd pick the Propeller over ANY stamp anyday!
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We all make mistakes when we are young………That’s why paste is edible!
I'd say just jump right in and get your feet wet with SPIN! I've had my hands on the BS1, BS2 (like the best) and I've done quite a bit with the SX chip, these are all 'top down' traditional BASIC chips, each one has their own 'nuances', the wave of the future is here, it's OOP (Object Oriented Programming), I've been programming for 25 years now, COBOL, FORTRAN, PASCAL, you name it, I've programmed in it, sure basic is easy, yet I feel that more and more I need to spend less time trying to figure out the nuances of the language and spend more and more time getting the product from the mind blackboard to the prototyping blackboard to a finished product, with 'objects', objects can be written, saved and used in other projects without the need to re-write everything!
The Propeller development board is a great place to start! - it gives you video and VGA outputs, a mic input and a bunch of little flashy thingies that go beep in the NIGHT! - WOW Parallax, nice job!
John
I put the fun in dysfunctional....
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Thanks for your reply. I decided to go with the PropStick. I figured if I do something wrong and blow the Propeller chip, I would only have to spend $25 compared to $99. Also I don’t ever think I would use the VGA, keyboard, mouse, mic, audio, or video output. I am in to things that flash. I have a project on my mind blackboard where the propeller would do moving pictures on a VFD display. But that is just one idea, more will come
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We all make mistakes when we are young………That’s why paste is edible!
I have been wanting to build a robot ever since I was in high school. Now (about 30 years later), components are finally down in the reasonable price range where I can actuallly afford to work with this great stuff. I've had electronics ever since I was in high school, and a year of vocational education also plus have programmed in at least 6 different computer languages. I wrote a mouse in maze simulator in APL when I was just out of high school.
I've looked at all the various microcontrolllers in the stamp family and the only one that really interested me is the Javelin Stamp. I don't care for programming in any dialect of BASIC or BASIC like language. I did not even ralize what the Propeller was until one day when I was bored I started looking at other chips, including the SX. I will eventually get a board with a Javelin Stamp also, but right now I want to focus all my energies on learning SPIN and using the Propeller for robotic control.
After reading about the Propeller and finding a couple articles on it, I knew it is the microcontroller for controlling my robot - an Octapod with a wheeled base to rolll on for speed and legs to walk on when it needs to climb or go through difficult terrain. I've ordered a PRC kit, a robot base kit (Octapod II by Budget Electronics), and its first sensor (an IRPD for object avoidence - electronic bumper).
The Propeller will be the heart of this robot as well as other Octapods I will eventually build (a round one and a long one similar to a hexapod). I don't think I have ever been so excited about electronics, programming, etc, and I am even learning about all the mechanical stuff I will have to do.
I am just getting into the part of the Propeller manual where it is talking about the SPIN language. I am all for object oriented programming like SPIN and Java. Kudos to Parallax for going out on a limb to provide something new and different for microcontrollers.
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