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Having never owned a PDA, I would like some advice on....

denodeno Posts: 242
edited 2006-07-17 11:33 in General Discussion
which one to buy.·

I would like to buy a PDA that I could write PBASIC on using Parallax's 2.5 Editor on and then go into the field and download the program, actually changes to the existing program and upload some data from the eeprom that was stored there to the DEBUG window or hyperterminal.

Will any PDA do this, or does someone have a recommendation.· I am not interested in the device that Parallax offers to download a program in the field.· As stated above, I would like to be able to use the PBASIC 2.5 Editor on the PDA to write stamp code aswell.

Does a PDA come with a programming cable that will connect on the PDA side, and use the DB-9 on the stamp side?

Thanks...Deno

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  • crgwbrcrgwbr Posts: 614
    edited 2006-07-06 13:39
    First, PDAs run on eather a Windows or Palm operating system.· The stamp editor is designed for a PC running windows, so you should be able run it on a Windows PDA.· However, interfacing with the Basic Stamp could be a problem, every PDA I've seen uses a propriatary conector for I/O operations with a PC, not a usb or serial conection.· There might be an adapter for this but I'm not sure.

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  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2006-07-06 14:07
    PDAs that run Windows use a special version of Windows called "Windows CE" that's incompatible with PC Windows. The system calls (API) are different so you can't take a program (even a source program) written for PCs and just recompile it. You certainly can't take a compiled program and run it. The processor chips are different.

    Many PDAs have optional cables that have a DB-9 on one end and they can talk RS232.

    Given that the Stamp interpretive code format is proprietary and they're not providing tokenizers for anything other than a PowerPC Mac or Intel Windows or Linux, we're not likely to be able to edit or compile PBasic code on any PDA in the near future.
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2006-07-06 14:17
    This thread is being moved from the·BASIC Stamp·Forum to the·Sandbox Forum.

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2006-07-06 14:53
    I have a Palm Zire72 and have had a Sony Clie and a Palm Tungsten. These are the newer generation that 'obsoleted' the RS-232 interface and they use USB. I have not seen anything to support the creation of an RS-232 port and I have doubts that I ever will.

    Most recently, Palm has been completely overrun by the Microsofts 'Windows CE' because half of using a Palm is storing backup and useful information on your PC [noparse][[/noparse]which is Windows, of course]. So I would consider a Microsoft CE based PDA in the future, more software longevity.

    If you want an RS-232 interface, you will have to E-Bay a Palm III or such. If you want to I/O the newer models, consider IRda, Bluetooth, or other RF data transfers and consider buying software in C or Java to program the device.

    Having said all that, you still cannot write programs on your PDA and download them to a BS.··It seems easier and cheaper·to buy the device that Parallax sells for field programing.
    The Stache Field Programmer.· See http://www.parallax.com/detail.asp?product_id=27330
    I believe it can store up to 15 programs and plug into any availalbe laptop or PC via RS-232.
    You could carry an SDcard with PBasic in a zip file and all your programs.

    By the way, the PDA won't work with any IDE.· It doesn't matter if you get another vendors product, they just don't support people that tinker with microprocessors.

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    Post Edited (Kramer) : 7/10/2006 11:19:11 AM GMT
  • stamptrolstamptrol Posts: 1,731
    edited 2006-07-06 15:01
    deno,

    An inexpensive option is to get an old HP 200LX palmtop computer. I have used mine for years to program Stamps, although you will have to use the DOS version of the Stamp software. It has the serial port and a bunch of other software (including a terminal program) on board as well. I use mine with a 64meg Compact Flash card to store the programs.
    I think Thaddeus Computing is the best source of tested, recycled units.

    Cheers
  • steve_bsteve_b Posts: 1,563
    edited 2006-07-06 16:24
    Just wait another year and the IPOD XIV (like the rocky series) they'll eventually add cellphone/pda capabilites! But still no serial connector!

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  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2006-07-06 20:51
    Maybe Apple will release a Core Duo InteliPod! It would run XP, and be Vista ready...
  • Brian CarpenterBrian Carpenter Posts: 728
    edited 2006-07-08 22:56
    try the Samsung Q1. Mine works well

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  • James AndersonJames Anderson Posts: 52
    edited 2006-07-12 22:40
    id get a nice new usb palm and the usb board of education.

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  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2006-07-17 11:32
    stamptrol said...
    deno,

    An inexpensive option is to get an old HP 200LX palmtop computer. I have used mine for years to program Stamps, although you will have to use the DOS version of the Stamp software. It has the serial port and a bunch of other software (including a terminal program) on board as well. I use mine with a 64meg Compact Flash card to store the programs.
    I think Thaddeus Computing is the best source of tested, recycled units.

    Cheers
    The HP200LX or 700LX (The one with a slot for a Nokia 2110 phone in the lid) is the way to go.

    Be warned that these machines still fetch a relatively high price on eBay as they are very useful beasties.
    A friend of mine·set his 200LX to wake up every few hours and download what is called a WeatherFax (ask any 'hardcore' sailor about this) and automatically display the result.
    (It needed a simple interface to the radio to be able to do it)

    There's the Toshiba Libretto, also, and it runs Win95, but getting hold of one with good batteries? (I can't remember if it used a pack, or can use disposables.)
    Besides, it's a PC compacted together as much as possible, and suffers from it.

    There's also a slightly larger Olivetti(can't remember the model name) which is about 1.1Kg, and is best suited for DOS usage. (Another oldie)

    Psion PDAs(which are my favorites)·can't do it, even if·you run the XTM PC emulator(emulates a IBM PC XT machine. Unfortunately), it doesn't seen to be able to handle the serial port timing.


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  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2006-07-17 11:33
    wannabe uber-geek said...
    id get a nice new usb palm and the usb board of education.

    That won't work.
    Both are USB slaves, and will not be able to communicate with each other.


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