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cbmeekscbmeeks Posts: 634
edited 2006-05-21 10:38 in General Discussion
Sorry if I go OT with this.

I love Parallax products but I also use ATMEL, PIC, etc.

Are there any forums that deal with all this stuff? The reason I ask is that I would like to share my ROM programming project but for now, it doesn't use any Parallax products. Just dip switches. But I can't find a proper place to put it here (I also frequent XGS's site but it's not as active)

BUT, I do plan on making another ROM programmer that uses an SX28.

Anyway, just thought I would ask.

Thanks!

cbmeeks

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  • Jon WilliamsJon Williams Posts: 6,491
    edited 2006-05-18 01:49
    I'm sure there are great forums for all of those products -- just not here.

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  • ForrestForrest Posts: 1,341
    edited 2006-05-18 03:04
    Try the Yahoo Groups:
    AVR-Chat
    Piclist
  • James NewtonJames Newton Posts: 329
    edited 2006-05-18 05:47
    PICLIST.COM is the official homepage of the MIT hosted PICList.

    The little known secret is that the PICList also hosts dicussions for the AVR, PIC, and SX processors.

    There is a LOT of common ground and you keep running into the same people in different places when it comes to those chips, so why not provide one place to talk about them all?

    The PICList uses topic tags ([noparse][[/noparse]PIC] [noparse][[/noparse]SX] [noparse][[/noparse]AVR] [noparse][[/noparse]EE] [noparse][[/noparse]AD] [noparse][[/noparse]BUY] [noparse][[/noparse]OT]) which you add to the start of the subject line of your post to let people know what general area it is about.
    EE is "Everything Engineering" and applies to things that would be equally applicable to any uC. AD and BUY are for selling and buying. OT is Off Topic and exists because quite often, people who work with these chips enjoy the non-work related conversation of others who also work with these chips.

    The list server·is able to filter out the posts you get depending our your settings. If you don't want to hear about PIC's it won't send you those posts.

    The PICList is the MOST wonderfull group of people in the world and is the best forum I have ever subscribed to.

    ...did I mention that I admin the list for MIT and that piclist.com is my web site? <grin>

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    Post Edited (James Newton) : 5/18/2006 5:52:17 AM GMT
  • kjennejohnkjennejohn Posts: 171
    edited 2006-05-18 16:43
    Try this site. They try to be all things to people interested in micrcontrollers:

    www.electro-tech-online.com/micro-controllers/

    End two cents.
    kenjj
  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2006-05-18 17:55
    Parallax hasn't said, so I will:

    I would hope that these (Parallax) forums get as much "air time" on them (external forums) as they have here...

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  • cbmeekscbmeeks Posts: 634
    edited 2006-05-18 18:06
    Oh, I'm not looking to leave. I'm just looking for a place to discuss things that I don't use Parallax for....things like my "Hand ROM Programmer"

    http://galaxy.signaldev.com/hardware/rom_programmer/

    smile.gif

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  • kjennejohnkjennejohn Posts: 171
    edited 2006-05-18 21:54
    Strangely enough, I see very few other people mention Parallax or the Stamp line, except to complain it is too slow and they want a faster solution. A lot. I visit several processor related sites, some infrequently. When a poster complains of slow speed in a project I usually point them to the SX and extoll the virtues of the people in the forums and at Parallax. But, I am a big fan of another processor line, unnamed here, so I am just as likely to steer them there AFTER said person says he/she is interested that way.

    I recently visited a site (don't remember where) where someone asked if parallel processing would be beneficial to their project. I pointed him to the Propeller and outlined its parallel processing capability. Over the next few days a few of the regulars took a quick look at the info available and declared the chip too wierd, implausible, a waste of time, etc.... Total jerks. An extreme case of "Unknown Therefor Useless", yuh know? Some people are just dumb enough to butter both sides of their toast.

    Myself, I am waiting for the Propeller-64. I can't wait to see what the development board for THAT looks like. Then again, maybe I'll get antsy and order the -40 in a couple of months. I'd like to see lots of these in stock when I purchase so I don't find myself weeping at the web machine because all this neat stuff is on backorder!

    End two cents.
    kenjj
  • James NewtonJames Newton Posts: 329
    edited 2006-05-18 22:15
    John R. said...
    Parallax hasn't said, so I will:

    I would hope that these (Parallax) forums get as much "air time" on them (external forums) as they have here...

    I certainly try to point people to SX chips when they need small fast processing. Can't always do it because a lot of people can't manage the concept of vertual peripherals. "You mean you have to bit bang EVERYTHING!" But SX/B helps with that a lot for serial and other standard I/O.· Also, larger projects tend to scare people away, but I like to show them the video game system and the SX/B examples for that.

    I've also tried to explain to people that power consumption can actually go DOWN with an SX in turbo mode at 3V vice a PIC at its lowest voltage. I helped on a project for a major golf club mfgr where we increased the download·baud rate of a club·swing data logger from 1200 to 9600 while extending the·battery life·by almost double and all we did was take the 16F54 hex file and program it into an SX18 then change the power supply from 5V to 3V. Drop in replacement. We also changed some other components for the power supply I think...

    Anyway, yes, when possible, PICList members hear about Parallax SX chips. From me and from others as well.


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  • RsadeikaRsadeika Posts: 3,837
    edited 2006-05-18 23:00
    I vote that sxlist.com create a forum area, so that way we could name other company products, talk about the SX, and or other processors that could be better suited in certain situations. I think people would feel less restrained to point out the short commings, if they came across some. I think that would be benaficial to everybody.

    Ray
  • James NewtonJames Newton Posts: 329
    edited 2006-05-18 23:54
    Thanks for the suggestion Ray... Here is the thing... I already did make such a forum at SXList.com! It has always been there and is being used on a regular basis. Go see the link...

    But as others have pointed out on this thread, the SX is not the only solution in the world and there are other chips that are simular and interesting and even when you work only with the SX, there are issues that other users face with other chips that apply to the SX just as well. So I made the SX forum on SXList.com a PART of the MIT PICList forum. It makes sense because SX18/28 chips are clones of PIC16C54/57 chips and the SX48 is a big version of that. Same instruction set, same hex files, you can even use MPASM to write SX code.

    It is an email forum, but has a web page to manage your subscription. And you can tell the list server to filter out posts about PICs or AVRs if you just want to hear about SX's. There is a real time archive (back to 1993) to browse and search. That archive also has a built in syntax converter for microchip menomics to SX / Parallax menomics.

    Microchip has a PIC forum that is company run. It's great for getting help directly from Microchip people and for showing how great a microchip consultant you are. Parallax has a forum that is company run and it is great for getting help direction from Parallax people and showing off your related products. The PICList is about people who like embedded engineering getting together and helping each other out and having a good chat.

    Or that is how I see it...

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  • cbmeekscbmeeks Posts: 634
    edited 2006-05-19 12:48
    kjennejohn said...
    ...
    Myself, I am waiting for the Propeller-64. I can't wait to see what the development board for THAT looks like. Then again, maybe I'll get antsy and order the -40 in a couple of months. I'd like to see lots of these in stock when I purchase so I don't find myself weeping at the web machine because all this neat stuff is on backorder!...
    kenjj

    Yeah, not to change topic but I am ordering a propeller asap. (my wife is going on vacation and I don't get to go...so I think I can justify a little money for me. smile.gif )

    Anyway, I love the idea of multiprocessing. I am still a little concerned, though, that the propeller will take away from my "retro style" computer I am building. But then again, I was going to use SX chips for the GPU/Audio. So, I guess as long as I continue to use the 6502 for the CPU, I can still call my computer retro. smurf.gif

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  • PJMontyPJMonty Posts: 983
    edited 2006-05-20 10:29
    CBMeeks,

    Ah, the 6502! Great stuff. I cut my programming teeth writing assembly language on my Vic-20 and Commodore 64 computers. I also built a custom 6502 PCB board that I used for a bunch of projects which were also done in assembly. Aside from wishing it had a few more registers, I really liked programming the 6502. Also, knowing 6502 assembly made switching to the 68HC11 almost like falling off a log.
      Thanks, PeterM
  • cbmeekscbmeeks Posts: 634
    edited 2006-05-20 18:39
    oh yeah...one of the best cpu's in my opinion.

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  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2006-05-20 19:34
    Yeh! I had an Apple II, did a lot of assembly programming, built some peripheral boards ... all very easy to do with the 6502 and the simple memory-mapped I/O bus.
  • cbmeekscbmeeks Posts: 634
    edited 2006-05-21 00:45
    Oh yeah? I've often wondered what a good project for the Apple ][noparse][[/noparse] would be. I love the open nature of it.

    What have you done with it?

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  • Guenther DaubachGuenther Daubach Posts: 1,321
    edited 2006-05-21 10:38
    My first microprocessor system was a KIM-1 single-board with the 6502, the tremendous amount of 1 KByte RAM, a hex keypad and display and a cassete interface. It was amazing how much you could do with just 1 K of RAM for program and data. I had to hand-assemble all my programs on paper in order to type in the op-codes in hex.

    Maybe, this is the reason why I like micro controllers, like the SX smile.gif .

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