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Buy your PC boards with solder paste already on them !

BeanBean Posts: 8,129
edited 2006-05-18 15:55 in General Discussion
Look here: http://www.colonialcircuits.com/new/

A·salesman was in our plant and left a board that uses a process called SIPAD.

Basically the board already has solder paste on it, with a paper protecting it.

You remove the paper and place the componets, the paste is tacky and the parts do stay in place (even if you turn the board upside down).

You then reflow the board and your done.

I don't know how expensive this is, but it would be great for the hobbiest.

It is something I'm going to check into, thought the rest for you guys might be interested too.

Bean.
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Post Edited (Bean (Hitt Consulting)) : 5/17/2006 6:23:12 PM GMT

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2006-05-17 15:17
    Hey Bean:

    What would you suggest for a hobbyist trying to do "reflow". I suspect the microwave is out, and I question if the kitchen oven would be available, as the better half may object to non-foodstuffs in the kitchen. If I could sneak in there on a Saturday, would it work?

    Would a pizza oven work? Are you better off with one of those "rework" stations with the "air gun"?

    I'm asking both for this process and "manual" pasting.

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    John R.

    8 + 8 = 10
  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2006-05-17 16:05
    John,

    Toaster ovens can be used for reflow- don't use a toaster oven that you've used for reflow for food.

    A Google search for "toaster oven reflow" should provide you with some interesting hits.

    Sparkfun has a great writeup on this as well:

    www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/ReflowToaster/reflow-hotplate.htm


    Ryan

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    Post Edited (Ryan Clarke (Parallax)) : 5/17/2006 4:08:36 PM GMT
  • steve_bsteve_b Posts: 1,563
    edited 2006-05-17 16:07
    Put the board on a cookie sheet and use an electric stove.
    Set up three of the burners for varying degrees of heat and move the pan from one to the other and then off.

    In school we used a carousel reflow machine. We were using ceramic substrates, and this arm would swing by, and push the ceramic over 3different hotplates.
    I don't remember what the temps were, but the middle one was the one that reflowed. The first one got'er warmed up and the last one started the cooling
    (one problem with cooling is that the little surface mount resistors would sometimes stand on end; called 'tombstoning').

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  • John R.John R. Posts: 1,376
    edited 2006-05-17 17:42
    Ryan Clarke (Parallax) said...
    John,

    Toaster ovens can be used for reflow- don't use a toaster oven that you've used for reflow for food.

    A Google search for "toaster oven reflow" should provide you with some interesting hits.

    Sparkfun has a great writeup on this as well:

    www.sparkfun.com/tutorial/ReflowToaster/reflow-hotplate.htm


    Ryan

    I would think with RoHS, it should be fine to eat the condensate from the fumes devil.gif· (not really).

    Thanks for the pointers.

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    8 + 8 = 10
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2006-05-17 19:46
    www.sparkfun.com did an article on this, all of their experiences.· The winner was using a WalMart non-stick electric fry pan.
  • Ryan ClarkeRyan Clarke Posts: 738
    edited 2006-05-18 14:50
    PJ Allen said...
    www.sparkfun.com did an article on this, all of their experiences. The winner was using a WalMart non-stick electric fry pan.

    Yes, that's why I included a link to their article in my original post [noparse];)[/noparse]

    Ryan

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  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2006-05-18 15:41
    · RC -- Oh, yeah, there it is.·
    · Oh, me.·
    · Well, everybody started going ga-ga about toaster ovens (don't use toaster ovens for this stuff,·or for toast.)
    · What this country really needs... is an affordable, effective, reflow oven (per se.)
  • steve_bsteve_b Posts: 1,563
    edited 2006-05-18 15:53
    a reflow oven for making toast??· That's loco!! [noparse];)[/noparse]
    PJ Allen said...
    · RC -- Oh, yeah, there it is.·
    · Oh, me.·
    · Well, everybody started going ga-ga about toaster ovens (don't use toaster ovens for this stuff,·or for toast.)
    · What this country really needs... is an affordable, effective, reflow oven (per se.)
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    Steve

    "Inside each and every one of us is our one, true authentic swing. Something we was born with. Something that's ours and ours alone. Something that can't be learned... something that's got to be remembered."
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2006-05-18 15:55
    The attraction people find in toaster ovens is when you have them modified with a different control circuitry, sparkfun sells these controllers. By using them you can set the 4 phases used in reflow to approach a more industry standard method of reflow. By also incorporating a solenoid to pop the door open at the cool down phase, you can set the system up, walk away and return much later to a completed board. This isn't possible with a hotplate where you have to stand over it an visually inspect the board for when reflow occurs.

    I still prefer doing hand soldering for prototypes, dual side population is much easier than having to deal with epoxies (which finding·the·exact type appropriate for reflow·isn't easy). Im still waiting for someone to come up with low resistance, single plane conduction tape. That way you can just stick some tape on the board, place the part and the connection is complete. Since electricty only conducts perpendicular to the plane of the tape, pins would·only conduct with the pad they are directly over. If the tape were clear, placing the parts wouldn't be difficult.

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    Post Edited (Paul Baker) : 5/18/2006 4:04:05 PM GMT
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