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amp hour help

TCTC Posts: 1,019
edited 2006-04-26 01:42 in General Discussion
I know this is not a parallax question, but I do not know where to go for help. I am thinking of getting two batteries for my car. But I am having trouble understanding “Amp Hour” The batteries I am looking at are rated at 72Ah, if I understand amp hour right the battery can provide 72 amps for one hour, then I times that by two that would be 144Ah. Also is there a way to estimate discharge. My system can pull up to 190A (one hundred ninety amps). How fast would the batteries discharge if they had a 190A load on them?
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Any help in the right direction would help
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Thanks TC

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  • japerjaper Posts: 105
    edited 2006-04-25 02:23
    hello TC
    batteries are funny first the temp of the environment 75 degrees F ok
    less then not so good
    really check the batteries in real world conditions. it will surprise you!
    most circuit need at least 11.5 volt to work properly
    and of course remember to calculate the proper supply voltage when
    spec-ing out amps to watt conversions
    standard answer
    "x" amp discharge at 80 degrees F in 1 hour
    yea right !
    japer
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2006-04-25 02:39
    72Ah = 72A for 1 hour.· So, 72Ah / 190A = 0.379 h

    Two 72Ah batteries in parallel·= 144Ah.· So, 144Ah / 190A = 0.76 h

    All Ideally-theoretically (Your Results Will Likely Vary)
  • Robert KubichekRobert Kubichek Posts: 343
    edited 2006-04-25 02:49
    PJ Allen said...
    72Ah = 72A for 1 hour. So, 72Ah / 190A = 0.379 h

    Two 72Ah batteries in parallel = 144Ah. So, 144Ah / 190A = 0.76 h

    All Ideally-theoretically (Your Results Will Likely Vary)

    And the above is best case MAX..... smilewinkgrin.gif

    I would say the .4-.5 hour would be a more accurate estimate.. yeah.gif

    bob N9LVU scool.gif
  • pjvpjv Posts: 1,903
    edited 2006-04-25 03:55
    Hi TC;

    You are correct in concept, but not in practicality.

    Two new 72 AH rated car batteries will definitely give you about 144 AH....... perhaps only once while brand new, and under lab conditions, discharging at a 20 hour rate. So that's 7.2 Amps for 20 hours.

    If you need to draw 190 Amps, I would expect the "apparent" capacity of the batteries to be in the order of perhaps 20 percent of their rating. So at that current level, I would suggest 10 or so minutes, perhaps less. Here in Canada we get to crank our cars' starter motors (hundreds of Amps) plenty when its minus 30 or minus 40 degrees C (equals minus 40 F), and under those conditions, which are probably a lot harsher than what you are expecting, we don't get a lot of minutes before the battery is "dead". Do realize that "dead" means different things. As a battery discharges under such large draws, the voltage on it's terminals drops drastically, perhaps to such a low level as to be not useful for you. You would get much more of your battery's capacity, perhaps double my previous estimate, if you could put them in series and operate whatever at 24 volts.

    There are better, albeit much costlier battery technologies available than car batteries, and depending on your application those may be a better choice.

    In summing up; car batteries are great for starting a car....... not much else.


    Cheers,

    Peter (pjv)
  • steve_bsteve_b Posts: 1,563
    edited 2006-04-25 12:57
    Another note....size your wiring according to the draw you're intending.
    190A will heat up a wire pretty quick.

    The AH rating gives an idea of what the battery can handle. If it's rated for 70 AH....don't try and draw 200A's for too long, the plates and such could get damaged and you'll never get the same capacity out of it.

    Take care of your battery and it'll take care of you! haha

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  • Mike GreenMike Green Posts: 23,101
    edited 2006-04-25 15:19
    Also keep in mind that some car batteries are constructed "better" than others in terms of ability to survive repeated high current discharges without damage. Other lead-acid batteries are designed for lower current, longer time discharge with a lower "end point" without damage (deep discharge). Most car batteries are not designed to be completely or even nearly completely discharged. Look at the website for "Optima" batteries for a good description.
  • TCTC Posts: 1,019
    edited 2006-04-25 22:01
    I did not think so many people would reply, thank you, all of youhop.gif· Just for a little info the batteries I am going with is Stingers SP1700 http://www.stingerelectronics.com/web/prods/batteries_power2.asp . The batteries are a deep cycle just like an optima yellow top, just better. I gave 190A as a max the system could pull. And if anyone knows anything about amplifiers (home or auto) an amplifier will pull its max current at full volume. Well for full volume the car will be on and at ¾ or less volume it will be off (car shows). The wire I am going to use is 1/0 AWG welding wire with gold/brass connectors. That will connect the two batteries then from each battery to each amplifier there will be 4 AWG wire (each amplifier pulls a max of 50A each). I do know that battery life depends on load, temp, age, and other things. But that is why I am just looking for an estimate (Ball Park). I am working on a BS2 project to monitor the batteries to get an estimated time left. That is the mane resin for help with amp hour. I did not know understanding Ah would be so simple. The project that I am doing now is monitor the current, volt, and the temp of the battery, then let me know if readings are not normal. Maybe after some time I will redo it to tell me how much time is left on the batteries. If anyone has any other ideas I would like to hear them.
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    Thanks TC
  • PJAllenPJAllen Banned Posts: 5,065
    edited 2006-04-26 01:42
    an amp-hour meter -- measure the voltage across a current shunt (I = E / R) and time; then you could come up with an estimate of current·averaged over·time vs. a current budget.· Making me think too hard.
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