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ExpressPCB and Double Sided PCBs

hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
edited 2006-03-20 05:16 in General Discussion
Guys, I'm working on a power supply for my MMC and I'm using ExpressPCB and a laser printer to make the board. The problem I have with it is that the top copper layer needs to be reversed when I print. Express PCB does not give me an option to do this. Short of doing a print-screen and having a resizing nightmare, how do you all handle this?

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Luke

The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.

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  • Jon WilliamsJon Williams Posts: 6,491
    edited 2006-03-19 07:15
    Uh... order board from ExpressPCB? The provide that software at no charge so that they can build the boards for you.

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    Jon Williams
    Applications Engineer, Parallax
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-19 07:22
    Jon Williams (Parallax) said...
    Uh... order board from ExpressPCB? The provide that software at no charge so that they can build the boards for you.

    John,

    I realize that, but I'd like to "print" the PCB here at home once for QC'ing before I spend the cash on havng them build one professionally. For my normal PCB stuff, I use a program in Linux that is amazingly called "PCB", but I decided to do this one in ExpressPCB for the simple fact that I could just order the board from the program, but like I said, I'd like to QC the board myself before I spend money on it.

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • Robert KubichekRobert Kubichek Posts: 343
    edited 2006-03-19 15:15
    hackman127 said...
    Guys, I'm working on a power supply for my MMC and I'm using ExpressPCB and a laser printer to make the board. The problem I have with it is that the top copper layer needs to be reversed when I print. Express PCB does not give me an option to do this. Short of doing a print-screen and having a resizing nightmare, how do you all handle this?

    Screen capture the layout, pop it into a GOOD paintbrush program, flip it, resize it to correct output size, print the flipped image.... smilewinkgrin.gif

    Bob N9LVU scool.gif
  • Jon WilliamsJon Williams Posts: 6,491
    edited 2006-03-19 15:56
    Express PCB does allow one to print to paper for "QC'ing" -- does that not work? And I've found that with the integration of ExpressSCH, errors are less likely to crop up (assuming one starts with a good schematic, of course.

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    Jon Williams
    Applications Engineer, Parallax
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-19 20:50
    Robert Kubichek said...
    hackman127 said...
    Guys, I'm working on a power supply for my MMC and I'm using ExpressPCB and a laser printer to make the board. The problem I have with it is that the top copper layer needs to be reversed when I print. Express PCB does not give me an option to do this. Short of doing a print-screen and having a resizing nightmare, how do you all handle this?

    Screen capture the layout, pop it into a GOOD paintbrush program, flip it, resize it to correct output size, print the flipped image.... smilewinkgrin.gif

    Bob N9LVU scool.gif

    Bob,

    I was hoping to avoid having to do that. I was hoping that someone knew a way that I could print the native PS and just have it print flipped.

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-19 20:53
    Jon Williams (Parallax) said...
    Express PCB does allow one to print to paper for "QC'ing" -- does that not work? And I've found that with the integration of ExpressSCH, errors are less likely to crop up (assuming one starts with a good schematic, of course.

    Jon,

    I like to "print" one off, use it and see how it is to work with. I'm a firm believer in designing something twice, because the you will (almost) always come out with a better product the second time, which is why I didn't want to spend the money on the proto board the first time.

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • Harrison.Harrison. Posts: 484
    edited 2006-03-19 21:11
    Did you take a look at all of your printer's settings?· My laser has a setting that allows me to flip, rotate, or mirror the printout.· I have used express pcb to do what you did before, and it worked fine.

    If you do the printscreen route, make sure you resize the image to be exactly the normal size or else components won't fit (I found that out the hard way).

    Harrison
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-19 21:36
    hpham said...
    Did you take a look at all of your printer's settings? My laser has a setting that allows me to flip, rotate, or mirror the printout. I have used express pcb to do what you did before, and it worked fine.


    If you do the printscreen route, make sure you resize the image to be exactly the normal size or else components won't fit (I found that out the hard way).



    Harrison

    My print driver has an option to mirror the print job, but it never works. I'm using an HP LaserJet 4050 (PostScript). I also have a PDF Writer that uses a PostScript driver. What printer/driver are you using?

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • Harrison.Harrison. Posts: 484
    edited 2006-03-20 01:30
    Try installing the PCL version of your printer driver.· My printer is a Brother that supports PCL.· I have found PS to be somewhat iffy with some applications (namely adobe products).

    Harrison
  • ForrestForrest Posts: 1,341
    edited 2006-03-20 01:57
    Hmm, that last message just doesn't sound right. Adobe invented Postscript - so all Adobe product work perfectly with printers that have Adobe Postscript. The problem is some lowend printer manufacturer's don't want to pay the licensing fee for Adobe Postscript - so they've used a less expensive (and less compatable) Postscript interpreter that works most of the time, but not all of the time.
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-20 02:18
    Forrest said...
    Hmm, that last message just doesn't sound right. Adobe invented Postscript - so all Adobe product work perfectly with printers that have Adobe Postscript. The problem is some lowend printer manufacturer's don't want to pay the licensing fee for Adobe Postscript - so they've used a less expensive (and less compatable) Postscript interpreter that works most of the time, but not all of the time.
    Forrest,

    That's what I was thinking. My HP LaserJet 4050 has Postscript installed which was an option over PCL because PS·is much more advanced. Nevertheless though, the mirroring function in my PS driver does not work. Maybe I should try the latest driver from HP themselves instead of relying on the M$ driver. smilewinkgrin.gif

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • Harrison.Harrison. Posts: 484
    edited 2006-03-20 05:16
    Well, I know it sounds very odd that adobe's products (primarily PS based) do not work well with certain PS printers.· The school that·I attend·utilizies HP laserjet 4050s all the way to the new laserjet 4250s and certain adobe products refuse to print out the whole page.· What we had to do was install PCL drivers on all the MACs, PCs, etc to get good printing support.

    Again, if it doesn't work with PS, then try PCL.· One is bound to work (at least in my experiences with printer drivers).

    Harrison

    Post Edited (hpham) : 3/20/2006 5:19:17 AM GMT
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