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Making PCBs with a laser printer

PJMontyPJMonty Posts: 983
edited 2006-03-14 09:37 in General Discussion
This webpage shows a simple way to make single sided boards using a laser printer, regular paper, and an iron to create the etch resist:

max8888.orcon.net.nz/pcbs.htm
    Thanks, PeterM

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2006-02-24 15:09
    I find it a bit cleaner to print a transparency on my Inkjet and just expose it to photo-sensitive circuit board.
    That 'iron-on' sometimes become a mess.

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  • denodeno Posts: 242
    edited 2006-02-24 20:49
    Just as a footnote...if you place a clean paper towel over the artwork before you start to rub the iron around you won't scourch the paper that the art work is on. This also allows a better/even transfer of heat to the toner that is on the paper, and the iron doesn't drag.

    Deno
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2006-02-25 12:30
    Kramer, you may be right in that, but...

    Some of us have junked their inkjets(and bought cheap lasers instead because of their higher reliability and much lower running costs) and doesn't have the equipment necessary for photo-exposures.

    PJmonty, Deno: Any particular heat-setting on the iron?
    ( *, **, or *** )

    BTW: anyone else considering junking their inkjets should remember that they are a good source of precision parts(cogs, belts, wheels), several steppers AND matching driver-ICs...

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  • bobledouxbobledoux Posts: 187
    edited 2006-02-25 14:08
    Look at Pulsar.gs for a simple laser printer technique for circuitboards. Yahoo has a forum on pcb's with lots of experimentation. Many are using inkjet paper with laser printers to create toner transfers. There's no need to use classic exposure/developing techniques to get 12 mil wide traces.
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-11 05:06
    I just tried this method for etching a board and came out with what I would consider to be sub-par results. I printed the artwork out on an HP LaserJet 4050 at 1200·DPI with Econo mode off. I used a layer of paper towel between the artwork and the iron as suggested and the toner transfered to the board looked like it was speckeled. My assumption is the paper I am using. Anyone have any hints for good paper to try this with? Special weights? You can look at my results here:
    http://www.adamthree.com/images/gallery/mmc_io.jpg

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  • bobledouxbobledoux Posts: 187
    edited 2006-03-11 14:00
    I never had dependable results using a laundry iron. I'm using a cheap laminator and every board comes out good.
  • ForrestForrest Posts: 1,341
    edited 2006-03-11 14:02
    Those results are fairly typical - based on what I've done. If you try adjusting the amount of pressure you use on the iron and the amount of time you use the iron - you'll get somewhat better results. Also use a magnifying glass to inspect the image BEFORE etching and use a black fine tip permanent marker to go over all the area's where you see copper specs on the circuits. After etching, the black marker spots can be removed with acetone (nail polish remover) and a brush.
  • bobledouxbobledoux Posts: 187
    edited 2006-03-11 14:20
    Here is a board I made Saturday. Sorry, but it doesn't have a Stamp in it. It is a Behavior Based Robot controller with 8-eight pin behavior PIC's on the left, two motor/output controllers on upper right, two 14 pin PIC's middle lower, and a 74HC151 multiplexer upper middle. Prototype area is on lower right.

    Each chip mounts in wirewrap socket. Wire wrap makes inter-chip connections other than Vdd and ground. Most chips have pads for smt pull up or pull down resistors and by pass cap. Wire wrap is performed on bottom of board. six pin headers, next to the chips are used to carry wires from and to the board.

    This is my most complex through hole board, to date. It was made using cheap laminator, Expresspcb software, pulsar.gs transfer paper and green film, and two ounces of etchant and a sponge.

    By the way, I only drill holes as needed. This works if I add new functions working from the center out.

    This is intended to give an idea of what you can produce with a lo-tech, low cost approach.

    I've made other smt only boards with this method, but not this complex.
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-11 14:42
    bobledoux said...
    I never had dependable results using a laundry iron. I'm using a cheap laminator and every board comes out good.
    What's your procedure for using a laminator? Just a typical laminator that I'd get a Wal-Mart class store? Do I have to run the board through a few times? Thanks for the input.

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    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-11 14:45
    Forrest said...
    Those results are fairly typical - based on what I've done. If you try adjusting the amount of pressure you use on the iron and the amount of time you use the iron - you'll get somewhat better results. Also use a magnifying glass to inspect the image BEFORE etching and use a black fine tip permanent marker to go over all the area's where you see copper specs on the circuits. After etching, the black marker spots can be removed with acetone (nail polish remover) and a brush.
    I have done boards of this quality in the past, I just figured that if I find a diferent type of paper that may be finer that I would get a better transfer. Thank you for the tip on the perminant marker.

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    Luke

    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • bobledouxbobledoux Posts: 187
    edited 2006-03-11 14:56
    hackman127 said...
    bobledoux said...

    I never had dependable results using a laundry iron. I'm using a cheap laminator and every board comes out good.
    What's your procedure for using a laminator? Just a typical laminator that I'd get a Wal-Mart class store? Do I have to run the board through a few times? Thanks for the input.

    I'm using a GBC 9 inch laminator I bought at Staples, on sale for $30. WalMart has a Duck brand laminator for $24. It might work. I used 10 passes on this last board, just to make certain good toner transfer took place. The board should be too hot to hold when its finished.

    Note that these cheap laminators might limit you to .032 thick board. The board above is .032, that's why it has five mount points.
    Also note it is a single sided board. The red traces are actually for jumpers.
  • JavalinJavalin Posts: 892
    edited 2006-03-11 15:10
    Just to through my two pence (UK!) worth in.

    I use the press-n-peal system (www.maplin.co.uk) direct link (http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=17352&criteria=Etching%20Equipment&doy=11m3)

    This is a good guide: http://www.semis.demon.co.uk/PCB/PCB.html

    I use a standard iron (it does my shirts as well), a laser printer and a clean piece of MDF (quite thick)

    My tips:
    1) Iron should be ~300C thats somewhere near *** on mine.
    2) Clean the PCB very well first with a PCB polishing block. Clean the residue from the polishing block off with damp kitchen towl - ensure you dry the board well!!
    3) Use the MDF (must not be laminated etc - bare wood) on the ironing board. Place the pcb and the press-n-peal on the it.
    4) Lightly (very) iron the press-n-peal on so it "sticks" to the pcb
    5) Place the iron on the board (most of mine completely fit under the iron). Wait ~20 secs for the board to take the heat
    6) Rub the board all over with the middle edge of the iron (makes sure of good connection).· Use the weight of the iron, dont need to press much here.
    7) Remove the iron and move the PCB board to another section of the MDF. Allow to cool so you can hold it.
    8) Very Gently take the corner of the press-n-peal off. If it hasn't stuck - repeat steps 4 onwards above

    And whalla - (old) Picture attached of what this achieves! (I've done better since....)

    From the picture from hackman above, I would guess your PCB was dirty, or "shop soiled".

    James

    Post Edited (Javalin) : 3/11/2006 3:19:33 PM GMT
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  • John BondJohn Bond Posts: 369
    edited 2006-03-13 11:34
    Hey you know, I'm with Herzog (Kramer), Stencil, Expose, Develop, Etch.

    We all want a quick fix so I read this post in the hope that "Print-Iron-Etch" would give acceptable results but the little board I etched last night using Herzog's method seems neater and less hastle than all the posts put up on this forum except the Maplin system. The tracks on this board are 0.01" 0.25mm. Just one break. Mind you, Photo etching also takes some experimentation.

    By the way Javilin, that double sided board must have taken some alignment. I am impressed!!!

    Kind Regards from Kwa Dukuza (You know you live in a remote area when you town isn't shown on GoogleEarth)

    John Bond
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2006-03-13 14:39
    The way to do double sided boards is to drill a couple of holes that can be used to register the negatives on both sides.

    Diagonally [noparse][[/noparse]opposite corners] and farest apart are best. These would be based on two registration marks or actual required holes.

    It really is not a big deal and really gives you pride in your workmanship.

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    Post Edited (Kramer) : 3/13/2006 2:45:13 PM GMT
  • JavalinJavalin Posts: 892
    edited 2006-03-13 15:25
    John,

    The trick with the double sided is quite simple!!

    Cut the press-n-peal to EXACTLY the edges of the board. Cut the PCB board as precisely.

    Use a second bit of wood on the MDF with a straight edge (use a G clamp to keep it still), and use it to align a the film & the PCB edges. Takes a bit of practice, but I get it to within 1/2mm these days.

    James
  • hackman127hackman127 Posts: 34
    edited 2006-03-13 17:27
    Javalin said...

    From the picture from hackman above, I would guess your PCB was dirty, or "shop soiled".

    James
    I don't think the board was dirty. I polished it with some 000 steel wool to a nice shine to clean any corrosion or surface dirt off, then cleaned it with rubbing alcohol.



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    The perversity of nature is nowhere better demonstrated by the fact that, when
    exposed to the same atmosphere, bread becomes hard while crackers become soft.
  • Vertex78Vertex78 Posts: 51
    edited 2006-03-13 21:54
    here's a tutorial i made awhile ago on how to make circuit boards using toner

    http://ilocker.bsu.edu/users/zashutters/WORLD_SHARED/tutorial.doc
  • John BondJohn Bond Posts: 369
    edited 2006-03-14 09:37
    Thanks for those tips on double sided boards Javelin & Herzog

    Kind regards

    John Bond
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