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NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
edited 2005-03-09 20:22 in General Discussion
Just to break the monotony, I thought we could have a little contest.

Tomorrow, Monday, as near to 12:00 EST as I can make it, I will post a question on this thread.· The first person with the most complete answer will receive a 64Kbyte AT25F512 piggyback EEPROM.

Entries will be judged on accuracy, spelling, grammar and punctuation.

If you would like to post an answer but do not need the EEPROM, plase indicate this in your response.

Tracy, you are not eligible - you are too smartyeah.gif

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  • Jim McCorisonJim McCorison Posts: 359
    edited 2005-03-07 03:36
    Sid,

    Neat idea, but spelling and grammar might be a penalty for some of the foreign members of the forum.

    Jim
  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-07 13:01
    Jim, I thought about that while I was writing the post.· Things will "bend" just a bit for those who are not English-speaking.

    Sid
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-07 13:37
    Can we pretend to be ESL (english as a second language) to get leiniency? smilewinkgrin.gif
  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-07 13:39
    Did you mean "leniency"?

    Sid
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-07 13:48
    See, I need special consideration blush.gif

    Paul
    *commonly referred to as the dumbest smart person anyone has ever known*
    (I had absolutely no common sense growing up, and I'm still deficient)
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-03-07 16:10
    Paul,

    Now wait a minute!!... I thought I was the dumbest smart person anyone has ever known with occational dyslexia flare-ups.

    (Not only am I the dumbest smart person I am also the smartest dumb person)


    uaeB,

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    Post Edited (Beau Schwabe) : 3/7/2005 4:13:24 PM GMT
  • steve_bsteve_b Posts: 1,563
    edited 2005-03-07 16:57
    Hey....not that I like competing to see who the dumbest is....well, ok I do...

    Back in the BBS days, I logged on to one and they had an IQ test on the board.· COOL....press Ctrl-Alt-Del....I suck! lol

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    Steve
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    "Inside each and every one of us is our one, true authentic swing. Something we was born with. Something that's ours and ours alone. Something that can't be learned... something that's got to be remembered."
  • Jim McCorisonJim McCorison Posts: 359
    edited 2005-03-07 16:57
    Gee Beau, you did pretty good. I can't even spell lsydexia. smile.gif

    Jim
  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-07 17:04
    OK - here is the question.· Surprise!· Surprise!

    "An atom of plutonium has an atomic weight of 244.· An atom is split and produces one atom of Palladium and one atom of Tin.· The combined atomic weight of· the Palladium atom and the Tin atom is 224.73 leaving a difference of· 19.27.· What is this difference called?· What happened to it?"

    Sid
  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-07 18:12
    Paul, please re-post your answer.· I think everyone should see all the answers.· A lot of people are going to learn something new.

    Thanks

    Sid

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  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-07 18:26
    OK here's my stab at it: I don't know what modern physicists call it, but when Neils Bohr first described it, he called it nuclear deformation and drew an analogy to splitting a liquid drop and the associated surface tension of the original drop when compared to the smaller drops. In fission the resultant excess of energy is released as beta rays, which later decay to neutrons.

    Did I win?

    btw the information is contained here: http://fangio.magnet.fsu.edu/~vlad/pr100/100yrs/html/chap/fs2_05035.htm
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-07 18:31
    Ok that is the original post without any modifications. I removed the prior post to remove the hint I gave to achieving a "more correct" answer. Though in retrospect, I should have just removed the addendum I inserted. Oh well, its too late to go back and fix it.

    Post Edited (Paul Baker) : 3/7/2005 6:34:41 PM GMT
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-07 22:28
    Come on people, no one else will venture a guess? I've already indicated that even if I've hit the mark, there is still room to split my arrow. No one has any use for a 64KB flash memory? Criminy, I even showed where I got the info. (Being a professional search artist has its merits, I found the info in less than a minute [noparse]:)[/noparse]

    Post Edited (Paul Baker) : 3/7/2005 10:33:22 PM GMT
  • upand_at_themupand_at_them Posts: 61
    edited 2005-03-07 23:54
    Neutrinos.

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  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-08 00:21
    upand_at_them said...
    Neutrinos.

    smile.gif 19.27/.013699895 = 1432.6 neutrinos smile.gif· but actually its true that when a unstable nuecleus undergoes beta·emission, an antineutrino with equal energy and momentum of the beta particle is released. My head is spinning so I'll stop.
  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-08 01:06
    Paul, wht is this?

    19.27/.013699895 = 1432.6 neutrinos

    A neutrino has about 1 millionth the mass of an electron.

    19.27 is atomic mass units -amu - where 1 amu ~= the mass of a hydrogen atom.



    Sid
  • JonbJonb Posts: 146
    edited 2005-03-08 02:18
    The mass loss should match radiation detected in the form of neutrons released from the split according to the formula E=mc2.

    Based on text @ : http://www.skirball.org/exhibit/einstein_answers_energy.asp

    Jon

    If I'm right Paul can have the eeprom smile.gif

    Post Edited (Jonb) : 3/8/2005 2:26:36 AM GMT
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-03-08 02:26
    Hmmmm...

    Periodic Chart

    Pu(94) 244
    Pd(46) 106.42
    Sn(50) 118.69

    The difference here seems to be 18.89 and NOT 19.27

    I'm foncused

    E=mc2
    E is in Joules if m is in grams

    m = 18.89 / 6.022*1023 = 3.1368*10-23
    c = 299,792,458 meters per second

    E = 9.4040e-15

    For 1 gram of Pu would be 5.6631 Giga Joules of released Energy ....
    So there! that proves I know absolutely nothing about what I am talking about!

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  • StarManStarMan Posts: 306
    edited 2005-03-08 02:36
    I should know this but I don't.· I worked in the nuclear industry about 15 years ago.· I even have a patent on a Californium 252 source handling device.· But I forgot nearly everything and I no longer have my reference books.

    So I'll guess.

    I believe the only subatomic products of a nuclear decay that have any appreciable mass are protons, neutrons and alpha particles.··Since there is a net gain of 2 protons in the reaction (Tin has 50, Palladium has 46, Plutonium has 94), I'm guessing that an alpha particle gets thrown in and about 21 neutrons are scattered (assuming the Tin and Palladium are stable isotopes).·

    What do you call it?· I dunno.
  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-08 04:23
    Newzed said...

    Paul, wht is this?

    19.27/.013699895 = 1432.6 neutrinos

    A neutrino has about 1 millionth the mass of an electron.

    19.27 is atomic mass units -amu - where 1 amu ~= the mass of a hydrogen atom.



    Sid

    .013699895 is the calculated standstill mass of neutrinos, I triple checked the value. I agree, it seems massive thats why I looked several places.
  • KenMKenM Posts: 657
    edited 2005-03-08 07:33
    The difference is called 'the difference'

    What happened to it? It got real small

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  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-08 13:11
    Beau, you are correct.· I looked at the periodic table wrong.



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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-03-08 16:07
    Sid Weaver said...
    Beau, you are correct.
    Sid, you might clarify... The smart dumb dyslexic might think he won smilewinkgrin.gif

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  • NewzedNewzed Posts: 2,503
    edited 2005-03-08 16:43
    Beau, I was referring to your calculation of the weight difference.· A difference of 19.27 was not correct, your difference of 18.89 is correct.

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  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,568
    edited 2005-03-08 16:55
    I know

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    500 Pinnacle Court, Suite 525
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  • MacGeek117MacGeek117 Posts: 747
    edited 2005-03-08 18:23
    A neutrino cannot be still.
    bugg

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  • Paul BakerPaul Baker Posts: 6,351
    edited 2005-03-08 19:05
    that is true (actually I think they can be we just don't·know how to slow them down since they are so small and have no charge)·but physicists have formulas associating the mass of a particle with the velocity of the particle·and can extrapolate what the mass for a stationary particle would be, a stationary particle is orders of magnitude more massive than a particle near the speed of light.

    Post Edited (Paul Baker) : 3/8/2005 7:09:58 PM GMT
  • MacGeek117MacGeek117 Posts: 747
    edited 2005-03-08 19:33
    Did you hear that we have slowed light down to 37 mph?
    bugg

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  • jdoleckijdolecki Posts: 726
    edited 2005-03-08 23:36
    How did you get infromation from my "WORLD DOMINATION PLAN" now i shall send the FEMBOTTS out to get you (Yes they are powered by Bs2).
  • NateNate Posts: 154
    edited 2005-03-08 23:55
    Please Dr. Evil, he is just a young child!!!!!!

    Or was you Domination plan simply to possess the EEPROM?
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