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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2004-07-10 01:01 in General Discussion
I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone have an
opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52? If I use
the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what other
commands do I have to use to read farenheight?

Thanks,

Chris

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 17:34
    Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    and construction notes:
    http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf

    The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The AD590
    (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a thin
    probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra resistor).

    -- Tracy


    >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone have an
    >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52? If I use
    >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what other
    >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 18:16
    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    > and construction notes:
    > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    > http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >
    > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The AD590
    > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a thin
    > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra resistor).
    >
    > -- Tracy
    >
    >
    > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone have an
    > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52? If I
    use
    > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what other
    > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >
    > >Chris
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 18:23
    Tracy,

    Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?


    Thanks,

    Chris



    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877" <CHRIS@R...>
    wrote:
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    > > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    > > and construction notes:
    > > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    > > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    > >
    http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    > >
    > > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The AD590
    > > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    > > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    > > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a thin
    > > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra resistor).
    > >
    > > -- Tracy
    > >
    > >
    > > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    > > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone have
    an
    > > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52? If
    I
    > use
    > > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what other
    > > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    > > >
    > > >Thanks,
    > > >
    > > >Chris
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 19:58
    Hi Chris,

    It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a simple
    one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how to do
    that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the Stamp
    RCtime threshold.

    I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the conversion to
    degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1 degree
    Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version gets to
    1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.

    -- Tracy


    >Tracy,
    >
    >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    >
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >
    >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877" <CHRIS@R...>
    >wrote:
    >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    >> > and construction notes:
    >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    >> >
    >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >> >
    >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The AD590
    >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a thin
    >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra resistor).
    >> >
    >> > -- Tracy
    >> >
    >> >
    >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone have
    >an
    >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52? If
    >I
    >> use
    >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what other
    >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >> > >
    >> > >Thanks,
    >> > >
    >> > >Chris
    >> > >
    >> > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-07 23:50
    In a message dated 7/7/2004 7:42:17 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    CHRIS@R... writes:

    Hi,

    I have an AD590 temp sensor, can anyone tell me what pins are + and -
    . I don't have a pinout or schematic.

    Thanks,

    Chris


    =======================

    Chris did you try _www.google.com_ (http://www.google.com) and search for
    AD590?

    Remembe.....Google is your friend


    [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 02:53
    Hi,

    I have an AD590 temp sensor, can anyone tell me what pins are + and -
    . I don't have a pinout or schematic.

    Thanks,

    Chris
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 03:51
    Tracy,

    I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't work
    correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light on
    this?

    Thanks,

    Chris


    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    > Hi Chris,
    >
    > It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    simple
    > one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how to do
    > that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    > itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    Stamp
    > RCtime threshold.
    >
    > I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the conversion
    to
    > degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    > Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    > The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    degree
    > Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version gets
    to
    > 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    > requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    >
    > -- Tracy
    >
    >
    > >Tracy,
    > >
    > >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    > >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    > >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    > >
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >
    > >Chris
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    <CHRIS@R...>
    > >wrote:
    > >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    wrote:
    > >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    > > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    > >> > and construction notes:
    > >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    > >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    > >> >
    > >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    > >> >
    > >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    AD590
    > >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    > >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    > >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a
    thin
    > >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    resistor).
    > >> >
    > >> > -- Tracy
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    > >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone
    have
    > >an
    > >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52?
    If
    > >I
    > >> use
    > >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what
    other
    > >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    > >> > >
    > >> > >Thanks,
    > >> > >
    > >> > >Chris
    > >> > >
    > >> > >
    > >> > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 07:54
    Hi Chris,

    Do you have a meter that can measure current on the order of 2
    milliamp full scale? Measure the current from your AD590...

    +9 volts
    |AD590|
    |millamp-meter|----common

    It doesn't have to be 9 volts--anything from 5 to 15 volts should do
    with no change in the milliamp reading.

    At room temperature, the reading should be around 300 microamps.
    More specifically, the reading in microamps should equal the
    temperature in Kelvin. Can you do that?

    -- Tracy




    >Tracy,
    >
    >I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't work
    >correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    >the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    >on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    >correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light on
    >this?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    >> Hi Chris,
    >>
    >> It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    >simple
    >> one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how to do
    >> that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    >> itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    >Stamp
    >> RCtime threshold.
    >>
    >> I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the conversion
    >to
    >> degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    >> Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    >> The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    >degree
    >> Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version gets
    >to
    >> 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    >> requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    >>
    >> -- Tracy
    >>
    >>
    >> >Tracy,
    >> >
    >> >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    >> >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    >> >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Thanks,
    >> >
    >> >Chris
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    ><CHRIS@R...>
    >> >wrote:
    >> >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    >wrote:
    >> >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    >> > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    >> >> > and construction notes:
    >> >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    >> >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    >> >> >
    >> >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    >AD590
    >> >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    >> >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    >> >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a
    >thin
    >> >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    >resistor).
    >> >> >
    >> >> > -- Tracy
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    >> >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone
    >have
    >> >an
    >> >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52?
    >If
    >> >I
    >> >> use
    >> >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what
    >other
    >> >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Thanks,
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Chris
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 13:13
    Tracy,

    I have a meter that can read microamps, I try that today. One thing
    I did notice, I have two .1uf caps but each one, when installed,
    will display completely (70 kelvin) different temps. Both are not
    polarized but one is blue and one is yellow, monolithic I think.
    The blue one displays what I think is just about the correct temp
    and the yellow one, at room temp, will display 245 kelvin.

    Thanks again for the reply,

    Chris


    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    > Hi Chris,
    >
    > Do you have a meter that can measure current on the order of 2
    > milliamp full scale? Measure the current from your AD590...
    >
    > +9 volts
    |AD590|
    |millamp-meter|----common
    >
    > It doesn't have to be 9 volts--anything from 5 to 15 volts should
    do
    > with no change in the milliamp reading.
    >
    > At room temperature, the reading should be around 300 microamps.
    > More specifically, the reading in microamps should equal the
    > temperature in Kelvin. Can you do that?
    >
    > -- Tracy
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > >Tracy,
    > >
    > >I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't
    work
    > >correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    > >the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    > >on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    > >correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light
    on
    > >this?
    > >
    > >Thanks,
    > >
    > >Chris
    > >
    > >
    > >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    wrote:
    > >> Hi Chris,
    > >>
    > >> It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    > >simple
    > >> one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how
    to do
    > >> that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    > >> itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    > >Stamp
    > >> RCtime threshold.
    > >>
    > >> I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the
    conversion
    > >to
    > >> degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    > >> Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    > >> The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    > >degree
    > >> Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version
    gets
    > >to
    > >> 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    > >> requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    > >>
    > >> -- Tracy
    > >>
    > >>
    > >> >Tracy,
    > >> >
    > >> >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the
    link
    > >> >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug
    and
    > >> >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >Thanks,
    > >> >
    > >> >Chris
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >
    > >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    > ><CHRIS@R...>
    > >> >wrote:
    > >> >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen
    <tracy@e...>
    > >wrote:
    > >> >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    > >> > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    > >> >> > and construction notes:
    > >> >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    > >> >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    > >> >> >
    > >>
    >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    > >AD590
    > >> >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    > >> >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the
    AD592
    > >> >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make
    a
    > >thin
    > >> >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    > >resistor).
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > -- Tracy
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> >
    > >> >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have
    some
    > >> >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does
    anyone
    > >have
    > >> >an
    > >> >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-
    52?
    > >If
    > >> >I
    > >> >> use
    > >> >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual,
    what
    > >other
    > >> >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > >Thanks,
    > >> >> > >
    > >> >> > >Chris
    > >> >> > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 15:51
    Tracy,

    Update: I said before that I get different reading with two kinds
    of .1uf caps. One cap gives me 284 kelvin at room temp and the
    other gives me 236 kelvin. I have a uA meter hooked up to it and at
    68 degrees I am getting about 299 uA. I checked that reading with
    both caps and it's the same. Just to make sure, do I insert "kal
    var word" into that code you listed?
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-08 16:52
    Some 0.1 uF capacitors made for bypass use are not very accurate
    either initially nor as a function of temperature. They might have
    the Z5U ceramic, which is +80%/-20% tolerance. Other bypass types
    could be +/- 10%. But for best results, get ahold of a film
    capacitor, like mylar or pps film, which could be +/- 2%.

    The calibration step should account for all the errors unless they
    are out of the bounds that the math can work with. Use components
    with low drift with temperature. The vagaries of the RCtime circuit
    limit the accuracy of this approach to about 2 Kelvin.

    -- Tracy


    >Tracy,
    >
    >I have a meter that can read microamps, I try that today. One thing
    >I did notice, I have two .1uf caps but each one, when installed,
    >will display completely (70 kelvin) different temps. Both are not
    >polarized but one is blue and one is yellow, monolithic I think.
    >The blue one displays what I think is just about the correct temp
    >and the yellow one, at room temp, will display 245 kelvin.
    >
    >Thanks again for the reply,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:
    >> Hi Chris,
    >>
    >> Do you have a meter that can measure current on the order of 2
    >> milliamp full scale? Measure the current from your AD590...
    >>
    >> +9 volts
    |AD590|
    |millamp-meter|----common
    >>
    >> It doesn't have to be 9 volts--anything from 5 to 15 volts should
    >do
    >> with no change in the milliamp reading.
    >>
    >> At room temperature, the reading should be around 300 microamps.
    >> More specifically, the reading in microamps should equal the
    >> temperature in Kelvin. Can you do that?
    >>
    >> -- Tracy
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >> >Tracy,
    >> >
    >> >I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't
    >work
    >> >correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    >> >the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    >> >on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    >> >correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light
    >on
    >> >this?
    >> >
    >> >Thanks,
    >> >
    >> >Chris
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen <tracy@e...>
    >wrote:
    >> >> Hi Chris,
    >> >>
    >> >> It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    >> >simple
    >> >> one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how
    >to do
    >> >> that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    >> >> itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    >> >Stamp
    >> >> RCtime threshold.
    >> >>
    >> >> I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the
    >conversion
    >> >to
    >> >> degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    >> >> Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    >> >> The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    >> >degree
    >> >> Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version
    >gets
    >> >to
    >> >> 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    >> >> requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    >> >>
    >> >> -- Tracy
    >> >>
    >> >>
    >> >> >Tracy,
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the
    >link
    >> >> >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug
    >and
    >> >> >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Thanks,
    >> >> >
    >> >> >Chris
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    >> ><CHRIS@R...>
    >> >> >wrote:
    >> >> >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen
    ><tracy@e...>
    >> >wrote:
    >> >> >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    >> >> > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    >> >> >> > and construction notes:
    >> >> >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    >> >> >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    >> >> >> >
    >> >>
    >>http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    >> >AD590
    >> >> >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    >> >> >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the
    >AD592
    >> >> >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make
    >a
    >> >thin
    >> >> >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    >> >resistor).
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > -- Tracy
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> >
    >> >> >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have
    >some
    >> >> >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does
    >anyone
    >> >have
    >> >> >an
    >> >> >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-
    >52?
    >> >If
    >> >> >I
    >> >> >> use
    >> >> >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual,
    >what
    >> >other
    >> >> >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > >Thanks,
    >> >> >> > >
    >> >> >> > >Chris
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-09 20:25
    Hi,

    I am a student of Mechanical Engineering at University of South
    Florida.I have a limited background of electronics and through a
    friend of mine working on BAsic Stamps, I learnt about this group.

    I am working in the field of Robotics and am making a robot arm
    gripper. I need to control three DC gearmotors and ensure the work in
    a synchronised fashion using a Motor Mind B. I had a few questions as
    to how to do it.
    1. Is it possible to control three DC Motors using a single Motor
    Mind?
    2.The operating voltage for each motor is 0.29 A and a peak voltage
    is about 0.65 A. Is this voltage too high for the Motor Mind B?
    3. How do I connect the leads of three motors to the Motor Mind B and
    how do I connect it to the Basic Stamp?

    I tried running one motor using a sample program as provided in the
    S3 manual. It worked fine. Now I am trying to run a single motor in a
    reversible manner using a centre-off toggle switch. What values do I
    specify in the program? I mean do I specify a -1,0,1 values for
    Reverse-Stop-Forward or do I need a 1,0,2 Values for the same?

    I understand that this being my first email and am asking too many
    questions. And its quite likely I may be too vague and unspecific
    about my queries If someone can provide me some help, I can finish my
    projects really quickly.

    Regards,
    Koushik



    Tracy Allen <tracy@e...> wrote:Hi Chris,

    Do you have a meter that can measure current on the order of 2
    milliamp full scale? Measure the current from your AD590...

    +9 volts
    |AD590|
    |millamp-meter|----common

    It doesn't have to be 9 volts--anything from 5 to 15 volts should do
    with no change in the milliamp reading.

    At room temperature, the reading should be around 300 microamps.
    More specifically, the reading in microamps should equal the
    temperature in Kelvin. Can you do that?

    -- Tracy




    >Tracy,
    >
    >I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't work
    >correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    >the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    >on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    >correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light on
    >this?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen wrote:
    >> Hi Chris,
    >>
    >> It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    >simple
    >> one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how to do
    >> that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    >> itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    >Stamp
    >> RCtime threshold.
    >>
    >> I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the conversion
    >to
    >> degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    >> Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    >> The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    >degree
    >> Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version gets
    >to
    >> 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    >> requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    >>
    >> -- Tracy
    >>
    >>
    >> >Tracy,
    >> >
    >> >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    >> >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    >> >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Thanks,
    >> >
    >> >Chris
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    >
    >> >wrote:
    >> >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen
    >wrote:
    >> >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    >> > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    >> >> > and construction notes:
    >> >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    >> >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    >> >> >
    >> >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    >AD590
    >> >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    >> >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    >> >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a
    >thin
    >> >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    >resistor).
    >> >> >
    >> >> > -- Tracy
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    >> >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone
    >have
    >> >an
    >> >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52?
    >If
    >> >I
    >> >> use
    >> >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what
    >other
    >> >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Thanks,
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Chris
    >> >> > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-10 01:01
    To answer your questons:

    1) No...MMB's are designed to only control one motor at a time...running more than one motor in parallel or series will most likely damage the MMB.

    2) Do you mean your Currents are .29 and .65 Amps? If so..No, the MMB can easily handle this.

    3) You will have to figure this out yourself (VERY easy to do at http://www.solutionscubed.com/ and at http://www.parallax.com/

    Looks like your project may take a little while longer..hope this helps

    Regards,
    John Baker

    koushik barhale <don_clericuzio2000@y...> wrote:
    Hi,

    I am a student of Mechanical Engineering at University of South
    Florida.I have a limited background of electronics and through a
    friend of mine working on BAsic Stamps, I learnt about this group.

    I am working in the field of Robotics and am making a robot arm
    gripper. I need to control three DC gearmotors and ensure the work in
    a synchronised fashion using a Motor Mind B. I had a few questions as
    to how to do it.
    1. Is it possible to control three DC Motors using a single Motor
    Mind?
    2.The operating voltage for each motor is 0.29 A and a peak voltage
    is about 0.65 A. Is this voltage too high for the Motor Mind B?
    3. How do I connect the leads of three motors to the Motor Mind B and
    how do I connect it to the Basic Stamp?

    I tried running one motor using a sample program as provided in the
    S3 manual. It worked fine. Now I am trying to run a single motor in a
    reversible manner using a centre-off toggle switch. What values do I
    specify in the program? I mean do I specify a -1,0,1 values for
    Reverse-Stop-Forward or do I need a 1,0,2 Values for the same?

    I understand that this being my first email and am asking too many
    questions. And its quite likely I may be too vague and unspecific
    about my queries If someone can provide me some help, I can finish my
    projects really quickly.

    Regards,
    Koushik



    Tracy Allen wrote:Hi Chris,

    Do you have a meter that can measure current on the order of 2
    milliamp full scale? Measure the current from your AD590...

    +9 volts
    |AD590|
    |millamp-meter|----common

    It doesn't have to be 9 volts--anything from 5 to 15 volts should do
    with no change in the milliamp reading.

    At room temperature, the reading should be around 300 microamps.
    More specifically, the reading in microamps should equal the
    temperature in Kelvin. Can you do that?

    -- Tracy




    >Tracy,
    >
    >I hooked up the 590 like it says on your website but it doesn't work
    >correctly. My Kelvin temp is about 60 degrees too low. Even with
    >the max number for cal it's still too low. The pins aren't marked
    >on the sensor but I am relatively sure I have it hooked up
    >correctly. I'm not sure what else to try, can you shed any light on
    >this?
    >
    >Thanks,
    >
    >Chris
    >
    >
    >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen wrote:
    >> Hi Chris,
    >>
    >> It's "plug and play" except for the fact that you have to do a
    >simple
    >> one-point calibration to get best results. The URL shows how to do
    >> that. The calibration accounts for the tolerance of the AD590
    >> itself as well as component variations in the capacitor and the
    >Stamp
    >> RCtime threshold.
    >>
    >> I corrected a couple of typos in the URL and put in the conversion
    >to
    >> degrees Fahrenheit. The first result is in Kelvin, so
    >> Fahrenheit = Kelvin * 9/5 - 460
    >> The basic RCtime routine there captures the temperature to 1
    >degree
    >> Kelvin, or about 2 degrees Fahrenheit. The extended version gets
    >to
    >> 1 degree Fahrenheit, and that is pushing it for RCtime, which
    >> requires good circuit layout to minimize noise.
    >>
    >> -- Tracy
    >>
    >>
    >> >Tracy,
    >> >
    >> >Thanks for the reply. If I use the code that's listed on the link
    >> >you gave me along with the AD590 will it esentially be plug and
    >> >play? Also, is it possible to get farenheight from that code?
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >Thanks,
    >> >
    >> >Chris
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >
    >> >--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "christopher41877"
    >
    >> >wrote:
    >> >> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Tracy Allen
    >wrote:
    >> >> > Check out Stamp app notes on the AD590 at this URL:
    >> > > > http://owlogic.com/OL2heat.htm#AD590
    >> >> > and construction notes:
    >> >> > http://owlogic.com/tk_fab.htm
    >> >> > Also Earth Measurements (now Applied Sensors), chapter 3.
    >> >> >
    >> >http://www.parallax.com/dl/docs/books/edu/AppliedSensors1_3.pdf
    >> >> >
    >> >> > The flat pack is usually hard to get and expensive. The
    >AD590
    >> >> > (different accuracy grades) are often available surplus.
    >> >> > Alternatives with much the same characteristics are the AD592
    >> >> > (TO92--used in Applied Sensors), the TMP17 (SO8-can make a
    >thin
    >> >> > probe) and the LM334 (TO92 cheap but requires extra
    >resistor).
    >> >> >
    >> >> > -- Tracy
    >> >> >
    >> >> >
    >> >> > >I have done some research on the AD590 and now I have some
    >> >> > >questions. I would like to use the AD590 but does anyone
    >have
    >> >an
    >> >> > >opinion between the the flat pack as opposed to the TO-52?
    >If
    >> >I
    >> >> use
    >> >> > >the standard RCtime that is listed in the BS2 manual, what
    >other
    >> >> > >commands do I have to use to read farenheight?
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Thanks,
    >> >> > >
    >> >> > >Chris
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