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electromagnetic fields erasing programs?

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2004-07-05 13:09 in General Discussion
Hi folks,

I´m using a stamp 2sx in a project and in some cases it erases
partially or totally the program after some time. I already checked
the supply quality and I/O pins, no noise, no spikes. I already
checked the program, no loops or constant eeprom recordings. Do
somebody already faced the same problem? Someone knows were may I
found some info about sensitivity of the eeprom for eletric fields?
thanks in advance

Luiz Alberto - Brazil
feijojr@h...

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 03:33
    This may (or may not) relate to your problem.

    When I have a roomfull (8 - 10) Lego Mindstorm
    programming 'bricks' in use - we DO get program
    erasure caused by cell-phone signals.

    If we keep all cell phones out of the room - then no problem.

    When someone walks into the room, and one of the
    cpu's quits working right, that student will yell
    at the intruder to 'Get that cell-phone outa
    here!)

    The problem probably arises from having fairly
    long unshielded wires running to sensors and
    motors.

    Cell phone wavelengths would certainly to use these 6" wires as antennas.

    IS it possible for a micro-processor to get
    scrambled in this way? Not permanently fried,
    just scrambled.

    At 8:05 PM +0000 6/15/04, feijojr1 wrote:
    >I´m using a stamp 2sx in a project and in some cases it erases
    >partially or totally the program after some time. I already checked
    >the supply quality and I/O pins, no noise, no spikes. I already
    >checked the program, no loops or constant eeprom recordings. Do
    >somebody already faced the same problem?

    --
    I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to
    provide the conditions in which they can learn.
    - Albert Einstein
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 11:55
    would it do it in it's operating state....
    I could understand that while you were programming it, that noise on your
    programming lines could cause issues....
    But noise on a sensor line would just give you garbage more times than
    not....no?


    Original Message
    From: "Chuck Britton" <britton@a...>
    To: "feijojr1" <feijojr1@y...>; <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, July 04, 2004 10:33 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] electromagnetic fields erasing programs?


    This may (or may not) relate to your problem.

    When I have a roomfull (8 - 10) Lego Mindstorm
    programming 'bricks' in use - we DO get program
    erasure caused by cell-phone signals.

    If we keep all cell phones out of the room - then no problem.

    When someone walks into the room, and one of the
    cpu's quits working right, that student will yell
    at the intruder to 'Get that cell-phone outa
    here!)

    The problem probably arises from having fairly
    long unshielded wires running to sensors and
    motors.

    Cell phone wavelengths would certainly to use these 6" wires as antennas.

    IS it possible for a micro-processor to get
    scrambled in this way? Not permanently fried,
    just scrambled.

    At 8:05 PM +0000 6/15/04, feijojr1 wrote:
    >I´m using a stamp 2sx in a project and in some cases it erases
    >partially or totally the program after some time. I already checked
    >the supply quality and I/O pins, no noise, no spikes. I already
    >checked the program, no loops or constant eeprom recordings. Do
    >somebody already faced the same problem?

    --
    I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to
    provide the conditions in which they can learn.
    - Albert Einstein



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-07-05 13:09
    hmmmm, what you say sounds logical.

    These babies are programmed via their IR port.

    Might the IR port wiring be picking it up?



    At 6:55 AM -0400 7/5/04, SB wrote:
    >would it do it in it's operating state....
    >I could understand that while you were programming it, that noise on your
    >programming lines could cause issues....
    >But noise on a sensor line would just give you garbage more times than
    >not....no?

    --
    I never teach my pupils; I only attempt to provide the conditions in
    which they can learn.
    - Albert Einstein
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