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subsumptive programing for robot

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2004-03-25 19:06 in General Discussion
HI all: Does anyone have any program code for subsumptive robot control?
I read all I can about it, but if I find any webpages they always deal with
other CPU's in various languages not basic.
I have a robot now with various sensors. Sonar, and IR. I would like to know
how to implement them in the subsumption method.
Any advice or code examples would be appreciated.
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-24 22:24
    Uh huh. And what might 'subsumptive' control mean?
    References? Authors? Book titles?

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > HI all: Does anyone have any program code for subsumptive robot
    control?
    > I read all I can about it, but if I find any webpages they always
    deal with
    > other CPU's in various languages not basic.
    > I have a robot now with various sensors. Sonar, and IR. I would
    like to know
    > how to implement them in the subsumption method.
    > Any advice or code examples would be appreciated.
    > Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    > Brig. Gen. Johnston Pettigrew
    >
    > Admin@M...
    > WWW server hosting [url=Http://mntnweb.com]Http://mntnweb.com[/url]
    > Kerry Barlow
    > p.o. box 21
    > kirkwood ny
    > 13795
    > 607-775-1575
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-24 22:48
    In a message dated 3/24/2004 2:26:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    allan.lane@h... writes:
    Uh huh. And what might 'subsumptive' control mean?
    References? Authors? Book titles?


    Subsumoptive is a hardware solution to programming with hieracheal levels of
    priority.

    Brooks developed the subsumption architecture, where higher layers of
    behaviour subsume lower ones as and when appropriate. Start off with the
    simplest
    underlying behaviour -- avoid -- that stops the robot running into obstacles,
    and
    makes it dodge moving ones. Overlay a more complex one -- wander -- which
    adds random movement, but doesn't have to worry about avoiding things: that's
    already been taken care of. Then add another one -- explore -- to make the
    wandering behaviour less random. Then add another one -- map -- so the robot can

    revisit previously explored places (but keeping the map highly distributed, and
    using it to navigate without planning a route). And so on.
    AGAINST+++++++++++++
    No learning No natural language No 3-D surface recovery No modeling of other
    agents No creating analogies
    Pitfalls of Subsumption Architecture
    Yuhang Wang
    CS104 Artificial Intelligence
    Dartmouth College
    What is Subsumption Architecture
    A control architecture for autonomous mobile robots
    A radical departure from the old sense-plan-act (SPA) approach
    A failure of imagination of AI workers
    A Little History
    Prior to 1985, dominant view: SPA (sensing-plan-act) approach



    By 1985, it was clear that SPA had many shortcomings
    Planning and world modeling: Very Hard Problems
    Sensor
    Processing
    World
    Modelling
    Planning
    Plan
    Execution
    Actuators
    Sensors
    Idea of Subsumption Architecture
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-24 22:55
    In a message dated 3/24/2004 2:26:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    allan.lane@h... writes:
    Uh huh. And what might 'subsumptive' control mean?
    References? Authors? Book titles?
    http://www.restena.lu/convict/Jeunes/Subsumption.htm

    http://www.restena.lu/convict/Jeunes/navigator/subsumption_compass.htm

    http://www.restena.lu/convict/Jeunes/Subsumption_II.htm


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-24 23:21
    Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my question.
    I am still looking for examples in the basic language. Hopefully for a basic
    stamp.
    -kerry

    At 05:48 PM 3/24/04 EST, you wrote:
    >In a message dated 3/24/2004 2:26:28 PM Pacific Standard Time,
    >allan.lane@h... writes:
    >Uh huh. And what might 'subsumptive' control mean?
    >References? Authors? Book titles?
    >
    >
    >Subsumoptive is a hardware solution to programming with hieracheal levels of
    >priority.
    >
    >Brooks developed the subsumption architecture, where higher layers of
    >behaviour subsume lower ones as and when appropriate. Start off with the
    simplest
    >underlying behaviour -- avoid -- that stops the robot running into
    obstacles, and
    >makes it dodge moving ones. Overlay a more complex one -- wander -- which
    >adds random movement, but doesn't have to worry about avoiding things: that's
    >already been taken care of. Then add another one -- explore -- to make the
    >wandering behaviour less random. Then add another one -- map -- so the
    robot can
    >revisit previously explored places (but keeping the map highly distributed,
    and
    >using it to navigate without planning a route). And so on.
    >AGAINST+++++++++++++
    >No learning No natural language No 3-D surface recovery No modeling of other
    >agents No creating analogies
    >Pitfalls of Subsumption Architecture
    >Yuhang Wang
    >CS104 Artificial Intelligence
    >Dartmouth College
    >What is Subsumption Architecture
    >A control architecture for autonomous mobile robots
    >A radical departure from the old sense-plan-act (SPA) approach
    >A failure of imagination of AI workers
    >A Little History
    >Prior to 1985, dominant view: SPA (sensing-plan-act) approach
    >
    >
    >
    >By 1985, it was clear that SPA had many shortcomings
    >Planning and world modeling: Very Hard Problems
    >Sensor
    >Processing
    >World
    >Modelling
    >Planning
    >Plan
    >Execution
    >Actuators
    >Sensors
    >Idea of Subsumption Architecture
    >
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 03:34
    Kerry,

    I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google" it you may
    find some examples.

    ken



    Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my question.
    I am still looking for examples in the basic language. Hopefully for a basic
    stamp.
    -kerry


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 13:03
    go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of programming
    techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few examples for control
    applications.
    http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    jim

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    Kerry,

    I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google" it you may
    find some examples.

    ken



    Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my question.
    I am still looking for examples in the basic language. Hopefully for a basic
    stamp.
    -kerry


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 16:07
    Thankyou, but a link for selling basic stamp parts was NOT what I am looking
    for!
    I have been all over the parallax site, and subscribe to nuts and volts as
    well. I have not seen any articles describing subsumptive programming on the
    parallax site.
    Apparently this line of query was a bust on this forum.
    -kerry

    At 08:03 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
    >go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of programming
    >techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few examples for control
    >applications.
    >http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    >jim
    >
    >
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    >
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    >Kerry,
    >
    >I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google" it you may
    >find some examples.
    >
    >ken
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my question.
    >I am still looking for examples in the basic language. Hopefully for a basic
    >stamp.
    >-kerry
    >
    >
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    -Yours with much regard
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    -Kerry
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 16:21
    Perhaps. What you'll find in life is that not all answers are dished up
    nicely on a silver platter or Internet forum. This is reality.

    That said, with the links provided and the code examples available, you
    should in fact be able to solve your problem.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office


    Original Message
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    Thankyou, but a link for selling basic stamp parts was NOT what I am
    looking for! I have been all over the parallax site, and subscribe to
    nuts and volts as well. I have not seen any articles describing
    subsumptive programming on the parallax site. Apparently this line of
    query was a bust on this forum. -kerry

    At 08:03 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
    >go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of
    >programming techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few
    >examples for control applications.
    >http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    >jim
    >
    >
    Original Message
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    >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:35 PM
    >To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    >Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    >
    >
    >Kerry,
    >
    >I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google" it
    >you may find some examples.
    >
    >ken
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my
    >question. I am still looking for examples in the basic language.
    >Hopefully for a basic stamp. -kerry
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 16:29
    Hi,
    have you checked out this article?
    http://www.bluebelldesign.com/Robot%20Subsumption%20DLC.pdf
    Maybe it helps you somewhat further
    Regards
    Adrian
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 17:04
    To bad a single valid link had not been provided however. I am very sorry I
    was asking for any more then thousands of others had asked for as well. A
    simple start and nothing more. I also apologize for not being a genius like
    everyone else apparently is.
    SO far, asking for a BASIC code program example of subsumptive programing ON
    A basic only forum has generated.
    1) a 3 page disertation on what subsumptive programing is with no examples.
    2) a link to an example written in C code.
    3) a link to robot parts the person was trying to get me to buy
    4) a link to the parallax website which has nothing of value.
    5) I am told that all answers cannot be handed up on a silver platter and
    that from the links above I should be able to figure it out!
    -Kerry


    At 08:21 AM 3/25/04 -0800, you wrote:
    >Perhaps. What you'll find in life is that not all answers are dished up
    >nicely on a silver platter or Internet forum. This is reality.
    >
    >That said, with the links provided and the code examples available, you
    >should in fact be able to solve your problem.
    >
    >-- Jon Williams
    >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    >-- Dallas Office
    >
    >
    >
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    >To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
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    >
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    >Thankyou, but a link for selling basic stamp parts was NOT what I am
    >looking for! I have been all over the parallax site, and subscribe to
    >nuts and volts as well. I have not seen any articles describing
    >subsumptive programming on the parallax site. Apparently this line of
    >query was a bust on this forum. -kerry
    >
    >At 08:03 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
    >>go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of
    >>programming techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few
    >>examples for control applications.
    >>http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    >>jim
    >>
    >>
    Original Message
    >>From: smartdim@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=WBYDN9bu7ai8f0-MwP-TYlphgMm2G1e9gS6SQqO7c34gTSJYM7n_xYa7D0VeDbdFXC-WO8pWKTi4]smartdim@a...[/url
    >>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:35 PM
    >>To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    >>Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    >>
    >>
    >>Kerry,
    >>
    >>I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google" it
    >>you may find some examples.
    >>
    >>ken
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>
    >>Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer my
    >>question. I am still looking for examples in the basic language.
    >>Hopefully for a basic stamp. -kerry
    >>
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 17:06
    Adrien: Thankyou very much for an example. I truly appreciate it.
    -Kerry

    At 04:29 PM 3/25/04 -0000, you wrote:
    >Hi,
    >have you checked out this article?
    >http://www.bluebelldesign.com/Robot%20Subsumption%20DLC.pdf
    >Maybe it helps you somewhat further
    >Regards
    >Adrian
    >
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    Very respectfully, your obedient servant.
    Brig. Gen. Johnston Pettigrew

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2004-03-25 18:58
    Good summary. Sorry about that.
    The short answer is no, I don't think anyone
    has done subsumptive programming using a BS2.

    The 'Robotics' text does have an example of
    implementing a simple collision aviodance
    behavior, utilizing an IR 'whisker' to detect
    when obstacles get close -- but that's as
    complicated as it gets, as far as I know.

    If you want layers on top of that one, I
    don't think they exist for a processor as
    simple as the BS2.

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > To bad a single valid link had not been provided however. I am very
    sorry I
    > was asking for any more then thousands of others had asked for as
    well. A
    > simple start and nothing more. I also apologize for not being a
    genius like
    > everyone else apparently is.
    > SO far, asking for a BASIC code program example of subsumptive
    programing ON
    > A basic only forum has generated.
    > 1) a 3 page disertation on what subsumptive programing is with no
    examples.
    > 2) a link to an example written in C code.
    > 3) a link to robot parts the person was trying to get me to buy
    > 4) a link to the parallax website which has nothing of value.
    > 5) I am told that all answers cannot be handed up on a silver
    platter and
    > that from the links above I should be able to figure it out!
    > -Kerry
    >
    >
    > At 08:21 AM 3/25/04 -0800, you wrote:
    > >Perhaps. What you'll find in life is that not all answers are
    dished up
    > >nicely on a silver platter or Internet forum. This is reality.
    > >
    > >That said, with the links provided and the code examples
    available, you
    > >should in fact be able to solve your problem.
    > >
    > >-- Jon Williams
    > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > >-- Dallas Office
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >From: admin@m... [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:admin@m...]
    > >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:08 AM
    > >To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    > >
    > >
    > >Thankyou, but a link for selling basic stamp parts was NOT what I
    am
    > >looking for! I have been all over the parallax site, and subscribe
    to
    > >nuts and volts as well. I have not seen any articles describing
    > >subsumptive programming on the parallax site. Apparently this line
    of
    > >query was a bust on this forum. -kerry
    > >
    > >At 08:03 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
    > >>go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of
    > >>programming techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few
    > >>examples for control applications.
    > >>http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    > >>jim
    > >>
    > >>
    Original Message
    > >>From: smartdim@a... [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:smartdim@a...]
    > >>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:35 PM
    > >>To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >>Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Kerry,
    > >>
    > >>I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google"
    it
    > >>you may find some examples.
    > >>
    > >>ken
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer
    my
    > >>question. I am still looking for examples in the basic language.
    > >>Hopefully for a basic stamp. -kerry
    > >>
    > >>
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    edited 2004-03-25 19:06
    Just for grins I entered the following text into Google:

    +subsumption +"basic stamp"

    Eleven pages of hits came up. Amazing what can be turned up with a
    little bit of effort....

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office



    Original Message
    From: Allan Lane [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=osqlDKEy6Nf-dTNBOoe8LitcsK51rfw6sHzekCT22F8O_FVyirgysp03xjsc-3FmyziJy5-XQcMzeRxQcIaDNVhpggp8cHw]allan.lane@h...[/url
    Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 12:58 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot


    Good summary. Sorry about that.
    The short answer is no, I don't think anyone
    has done subsumptive programming using a BS2.

    The 'Robotics' text does have an example of
    implementing a simple collision aviodance
    behavior, utilizing an IR 'whisker' to detect
    when obstacles get close -- but that's as
    complicated as it gets, as far as I know.

    If you want layers on top of that one, I
    don't think they exist for a processor as
    simple as the BS2.

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kerry Barlow <admin@m...> wrote:
    > To bad a single valid link had not been provided however. I am very
    sorry I
    > was asking for any more then thousands of others had asked for as
    well. A
    > simple start and nothing more. I also apologize for not being a
    genius like
    > everyone else apparently is.
    > SO far, asking for a BASIC code program example of subsumptive
    programing ON
    > A basic only forum has generated.
    > 1) a 3 page disertation on what subsumptive programing is with no
    examples.
    > 2) a link to an example written in C code.
    > 3) a link to robot parts the person was trying to get me to buy
    > 4) a link to the parallax website which has nothing of value.
    > 5) I am told that all answers cannot be handed up on a silver
    platter and
    > that from the links above I should be able to figure it out! -Kerry
    >
    >
    > At 08:21 AM 3/25/04 -0800, you wrote:
    > >Perhaps. What you'll find in life is that not all answers are
    dished up
    > >nicely on a silver platter or Internet forum. This is reality.
    > >
    > >That said, with the links provided and the code examples
    available, you
    > >should in fact be able to solve your problem.
    > >
    > >-- Jon Williams
    > >-- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > >-- Dallas Office
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > >From: admin@m... [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:admin@m...]
    > >Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:08 AM
    > >To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    > >
    > >
    > >Thankyou, but a link for selling basic stamp parts was NOT what I
    am
    > >looking for! I have been all over the parallax site, and subscribe
    to
    > >nuts and volts as well. I have not seen any articles describing
    > >subsumptive programming on the parallax site. Apparently this line
    of
    > >query was a bust on this forum. -kerry
    > >
    > >At 08:03 AM 3/25/2004 -0500, you wrote:
    > >>go to the parallax web site. You will find numerous examples of
    > >>programming techniques there. Or, visit this web site for a few
    > >>examples for control applications.
    > >>http://www.geocities.com/jimforkin2003/
    > >>jim
    > >>
    > >>
    Original Message
    > >>From: smartdim@a... [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:smartdim@a...]
    > >>Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:35 PM
    > >>To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > >>Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: subsumptive programing for robot
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Kerry,
    > >>
    > >>I don't have any basic language examples. Perhaps if you "google"
    it
    > >>you may find some examples.
    > >>
    > >>ken
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>
    > >>Thankyou for the theory and links. However this does not answer
    my
    > >>question. I am still looking for examples in the basic language.
    > >>Hopefully for a basic stamp. -kerry
    > >>
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