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ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2003-10-21 16:42 in General Discussion
I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.

I am using BS1-IC

parallel cable connections:

cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2

cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3

cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4

9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1

9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
I am running Window XP
from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program loaded, I get the
following:
When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen says PIC16C58A when m chip has
printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let me change this. If I hit the space bar
as directed to program the chip and error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found

I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"

what am I doing wrong?? Please help


Thank you,
Brian
brian3812003@y...



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-13 21:10
    In a message dated 10/13/2003 1:07:39 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
    brian3812003@y... writes:
    I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.

    I am using BS1-IC

    parallel cable connections:

    cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2

    cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3

    cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4

    9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1

    9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    I am running Window XP
    from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program loaded, I get
    the following:
    When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen says PIC16C58A when m chip has
    printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let me change this. If I hit the space
    bar as directed to program the chip and error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found

    I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"

    what am I doing wrong?? Please help


    Thank you,
    Brian
    brian3812003@y...
    __________________

    maybe disable FIFO settings on your computer?


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-13 21:35
    I don't know that anyone has made the BS1 editor work in a DOS box under
    XP (XP is very finicky about programs attempting direct port control as
    the BS1 editor does). Don't fear ... we're adding BS1 support to our
    Windows editor (I'll upload a screenshot to the file section to prove
    it) and that makes life a breeze. I've even gone back and started
    cleaning-up programs I wrote 10 years ago -- and having fun!

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office


    Original Message
    From: Brian D [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=F_rIkhqhhkCo7psH9faR7DIA-h6bXGwzYvvGIFKIrsAs3Bi1xJkzaKlJT5nn0YPxJXuinpOdir64u3ZK]brian3812003@y...[/url
    Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help


    I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.

    I am using BS1-IC

    parallel cable connections:

    cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2

    cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3

    cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4

    9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1

    9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    I am running Window XP
    from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program loaded, I
    get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen says
    PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let me
    change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the chip and
    error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found

    I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"

    what am I doing wrong?? Please help


    Thank you,
    Brian
    brian3812003@y...



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-13 21:37
    BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original Parallax
    PIC programmer was available.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office

    Original Message
    From: Brian D [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=0eZFJVEOzy03UIBv6rj7iGFemZb4M71bsT1aCjR3mmCNQitZSg-ADcxexP5FMiQfQM2ZBu_8knJRlGpuSQ]brian3812003@y...[/url
    Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help


    I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.

    I am using BS1-IC

    parallel cable connections:

    cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2

    cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3

    cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4

    9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1

    9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    I am running Window XP
    from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program loaded, I
    get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen says
    PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let me
    change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the chip and
    error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found

    I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"

    what am I doing wrong?? Please help


    Thank you,
    Brian
    brian3812003@y...



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-14 17:26
    Jon,
    What's the ETA on BS1 support under the Windows editor?

    And just so I'm clear, until the Windows version 2.0 supports BS1,
    our only option for programming BS1 stamps is the "BASIC Stamp 1 Editor for
    DOS", right? There is no other software that programs BS1 right?

    *Brian

    > I don't know that anyone has made the BS1 editor work in a
    > DOS box under
    > XP (XP is very finicky about programs attempting direct port
    > control as
    > the BS1 editor does). Don't fear ... we're adding BS1 support to our
    > Windows editor (I'll upload a screenshot to the file section to prove
    > it) and that makes life a breeze. I've even gone back and started
    > cleaning-up programs I wrote 10 years ago -- and having fun!
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > -- Dallas Office
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-14 17:55
    About a month ... but there are no guarantees. You know the saying,
    "It's harder than it looks."

    And yes, for the time being, the only editor/compiler we have for the
    BS1 is the DOS version.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Parallax
    Original Message
    From: Brian Schmalz [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=AJfqfFoMaeXUlEoWl5N1h0Kb91DoVSL5ooByVVNerpx7RQ8PbTw61o1bb14BoTUo-RG3SxnunVVUrgGqLQ]brian.s@l...[/url
    Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 11:26 AM
    To: 'basicstamps@yahoogroups.com'
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help


    Jon,
    What's the ETA on BS1 support under the Windows editor?

    And just so I'm clear, until the Windows version 2.0 supports
    BS1, our only option for programming BS1 stamps is the "BASIC Stamp 1
    Editor for DOS", right? There is no other software that programs BS1
    right?

    *Brian

    > I don't know that anyone has made the BS1 editor work in a
    > DOS box under
    > XP (XP is very finicky about programs attempting direct port
    > control as
    > the BS1 editor does). Don't fear ... we're adding BS1 support to our
    > Windows editor (I'll upload a screenshot to the file section to prove
    > it) and that makes life a breeze. I've even gone back and started
    > cleaning-up programs I wrote 10 years ago -- and having fun!
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > -- Dallas Office

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-16 02:44
    I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only works with 3.1
    to 98 or
    systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work with millenium
    edition
    havent tried it on windows 2000 though.

    Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original Parallax
    PIC programmer was available.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office

    Original Message
    From: Brian D [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=b0Jct2Q5S95S-F3f5B5LqYTOaPIN18EeogtjGLCpYYPqie3UEzVvUm-qEwzg8-a-2MKe4Cnn_P0aEUqT]brian3812003@y...[/url
    Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help


    I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.

    I am using BS1-IC

    parallel cable connections:

    cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2

    cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3

    cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4

    9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1

    9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    I am running Window XP
    from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program loaded, I
    get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen says
    PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let me
    change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the chip and
    error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found

    I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"

    what am I doing wrong?? Please help


    Thank you,
    Brian
    brian3812003@y...



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-19 18:43
    So what's a guy to do then?

    When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that the
    development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    clue...

    I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back to
    archaic versions of MS software.

    Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?

    Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    retailers shelves?


    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    wrote:
    > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    with millenium edition
    > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    >
    > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    Parallax
    > PIC programmer was available.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > -- Dallas Office
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    >
    >
    > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    >
    > I am using BS1-IC
    >
    > parallel cable connections:
    >
    > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    >
    > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    >
    > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    >
    > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    >
    > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > I am running Window XP
    > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    loaded, I
    > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    says
    > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let
    me
    > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    chip and
    > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    >
    > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    >
    > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    >
    >
    > Thank you,
    > Brian
    > brian3812003@y...
    >
    >
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 06:52
    From: "kggsystem" <kevgor@s...>

    > So what's a guy to do then?
    >
    > [noparse][[/noparse]...]
    > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back to
    > archaic versions of MS software.
    >
    > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    >
    > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > retailers shelves?
    >
    Well, the software is free -- and the BS1 itself isn't obsolete, just not
    the latest model. You might have more fun playing around with the BS2
    because it has more features, but not necessarily. It's fun doing the
    minimalist thing once in a while. Either way, I wouldn't return the BS1
    because of the software issue.

    Like you, I run XP and I don't have the choice of dual-booting into DOS
    because my hardware configuration is not DOS-compatible. (NTFS completely,
    and a RAID drive configuration as well...)

    On the other hand, I'm being patient. The new version of the editor/compiler
    is a very nice product, even though it's still in beta right now. I deleted
    the version in retail distribution because the beta is trouble-free and much
    nicer. Currently that version supports only the BS2 models, but Parallax
    have added support for the older BS1. Unfortunately, that feature is only in
    alpha test right now and not available to customers -- even in beta. I
    understand it will be available in a few weeks.

    Personally, I keep looking at the old machine in the corner and thinking
    about loading the DOS mode BS1 software onto it. Then I remember what a pain
    DOS is, and I only have "a few weeks" to wait. I can't imagine a software
    schedule slipping, can you?<sigh>

    Ah well, the BS2 is keeping me entertained meanwhile.

    Gary
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 12:42
    One idea: create a Windows 98 (or earlier) boot floppy (assuming you
    somewhere have a license for such) and copy the Parallax software to it.
    Boot from the floppy. You won't be able to see your hard drives but you will
    be able to write your code and compile/download it. Just think of it as
    retro.

    If you have a license and don't have a computer that can create the boot
    floppy for you, you could probably find a copy on the Web -- search for
    "boot disk" in google and you should find something.

    Regards,

    Al Williams
    AWC
    *Electronic Kits - http://www.al-williams.com/kits.htm



    >
    Original Message
    > From: kggsystem [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=9Fy7KTYmU3crir-6PJj1Gm930pGbpmvN3XWECU58qxK0HuevWxxeJrqdF4KDja6DdS6f66JDtY67]kevgor@s...[/url
    > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:44 PM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help
    >
    >
    > So what's a guy to do then?
    >
    > When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    > salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    > erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that the
    > development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    > clue...
    >
    > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back to
    > archaic versions of MS software.
    >
    > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    >
    > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > retailers shelves?
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    > wrote:
    > > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    > works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    > with millenium edition
    > > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    > >
    > > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    > Parallax
    > > PIC programmer was available.
    > >
    > > -- Jon Williams
    > > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > -- Dallas Office
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    > >
    > >
    > > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    > >
    > > I am using BS1-IC
    > >
    > > parallel cable connections:
    > >
    > > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    > >
    > > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    > >
    > > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    > >
    > > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    > >
    > > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > > I am running Window XP
    > > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    > loaded, I
    > > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    > says
    > > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let
    > me
    > > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    > chip and
    > > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    > >
    > > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    > >
    > > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    > >
    > >
    > > Thank you,
    > > Brian
    > > brian3812003@y...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Do you Yahoo!?
    > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 13:22
    Of course you must to what you think is best for you. That said, the
    hardware you purchased is not obsolte -- I've got a BS1 running a little
    slave process for a BS2 on my desk this minute that I detail in my Nuts
    & Volts article in December. I programmed the BS1 from a laptop running
    XP Pro using an alpha version of our compiler that supports the BS1.
    Our goal is to release a beta version of that software within a month,
    so if you'll hold on just a bit you'll be able to program your BS1 with
    your computer through a standard serial port (we've made a little
    adapter for the serial line, and will provide the schematic if you want
    to build your own [noparse][[/noparse]it's fairly simpl]).

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office

    Original Message
    From: kggsystem [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Ycb0erLiFX77YgdZj5edJuBrrlw9Z2BOKr43a9-nZrmvnt5eKMjwD0_sFqJ1H4XXszCeJnqW]kevgor@s...[/url
    Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:44 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    So what's a guy to do then?

    When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that the
    development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    clue...

    I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back to
    archaic versions of MS software.

    Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?

    Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    retailers shelves?


    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    wrote:
    > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    with millenium edition
    > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    >
    > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    Parallax
    > PIC programmer was available.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > -- Dallas Office
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    >
    >
    > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    >
    > I am using BS1-IC
    >
    > parallel cable connections:
    >
    > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    >
    > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    >
    > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    >
    > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    >
    > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > I am running Window XP
    > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    loaded, I
    > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    says
    > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let
    me
    > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    chip and
    > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    >
    > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    >
    > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    >
    >
    > Thank you,
    > Brian
    > brian3812003@y...
    >
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 14:34
    Like this;
    http://www.bootdisk.com/

    > If you have a license and don't have a computer that can create the
    > boot floppy for you, you could probably find a copy on the Web --
    > search for "boot disk" in google and you should find something.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 15:16
    Basically, once Parallax created the BS2, they
    didn't see a lot of demand for the BS1. Out
    of the goodness of their hearts, and because
    the BS1 platform is cheaper, they continue
    to make them, and 'support' (answer questions)
    the BS1 for legacy applications.

    They would like to port the DOS based
    compiler to windows, but as I said, if there
    is little demand for it, it doesn't make a
    lot of sense to expend much effort on
    this. So they havn't got the product out
    yet.

    The best solution for you is probably to
    return the BS1 kit to your vendor, and
    upgrade to a BS2 kit. It's a MUCH more
    capable module, and you'll probably be
    happier with it in the long run.

    Note I am NOT an employee of Parallax,
    I've just been on the Forum for a year,
    and have seen this question a few times.

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "kggsystem" <kevgor@s...> wrote:
    > So what's a guy to do then?
    >
    > When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    > salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    > erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that
    the
    > development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    > clue...
    >
    > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back
    to
    > archaic versions of MS software.
    >
    > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    >
    > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > retailers shelves?
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    > wrote:
    > > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    > works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    > with millenium edition
    > > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    > >
    > > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    > Parallax
    > > PIC programmer was available.
    > >
    > > -- Jon Williams
    > > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > -- Dallas Office
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    > >
    > >
    > > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    > >
    > > I am using BS1-IC
    > >
    > > parallel cable connections:
    > >
    > > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    > >
    > > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    > >
    > > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    > >
    > > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    > >
    > > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > > I am running Window XP
    > > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    > loaded, I
    > > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    > says
    > > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot
    let
    > me
    > > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    > chip and
    > > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    > >
    > > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    > >
    > > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    > >
    > >
    > > Thank you,
    > > Brian
    > > brian3812003@y...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 15:20
    Maybe he should have got in on the $5 BS1 Rev. D deal ??


    > Basically, once Parallax created the BS2, they
    > didn't see a lot of demand for the BS1. Out
    > of the goodness of their hearts, and because
    > the BS1 platform is cheaper, they continue
    > to make them, and 'support' (answer questions)
    > the BS1 for legacy applications.
    >
    > They would like to port the DOS based
    > compiler to windows, but as I said, if there
    > is little demand for it, it doesn't make a
    > lot of sense to expend much effort on
    > this. So they havn't got the product out
    > yet.
    >
    > The best solution for you is probably to
    > return the BS1 kit to your vendor, and
    > upgrade to a BS2 kit. It's a MUCH more
    > capable module, and you'll probably be
    > happier with it in the long run.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 15:25
    OK, having read through ALL the posts now, it
    looks like they WILL be issuing a BS1 compiler
    in the next month. You might as well hold on
    to it and use it then.

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Allan Lane" <allan.lane@h...>
    wrote:
    > Basically, once Parallax created the BS2, they
    > didn't see a lot of demand for the BS1. Out
    > of the goodness of their hearts, and because
    > the BS1 platform is cheaper, they continue
    > to make them, and 'support' (answer questions)
    > the BS1 for legacy applications.
    >
    > They would like to port the DOS based
    > compiler to windows, but as I said, if there
    > is little demand for it, it doesn't make a
    > lot of sense to expend much effort on
    > this. So they havn't got the product out
    > yet.
    >
    > The best solution for you is probably to
    > return the BS1 kit to your vendor, and
    > upgrade to a BS2 kit. It's a MUCH more
    > capable module, and you'll probably be
    > happier with it in the long run.
    >
    > Note I am NOT an employee of Parallax,
    > I've just been on the Forum for a year,
    > and have seen this question a few times.
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "kggsystem" <kevgor@s...> wrote:
    > > So what's a guy to do then?
    > >
    > > When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and
    the
    > > salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    > > erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that
    > the
    > > development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    > > clue...
    > >
    > > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back
    > to
    > > archaic versions of MS software.
    > >
    > > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    > >
    > > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > > retailers shelves?
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    > > wrote:
    > > > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    > > works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > > > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does
    work
    > > with millenium edition
    > > > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    > > >
    > > > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > > > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    > > Parallax
    > > > PIC programmer was available.
    > > >
    > > > -- Jon Williams
    > > > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > > -- Dallas Office
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    > > >
    > > > I am using BS1-IC
    > > >
    > > > parallel cable connections:
    > > >
    > > > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    > > >
    > > > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    > > >
    > > > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    > > >
    > > > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    > > >
    > > > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > > > I am running Window XP
    > > > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    > > loaded, I
    > > > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the
    screen
    > > says
    > > > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot
    > let
    > > me
    > > > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    > > chip and
    > > > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    > > >
    > > > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    > > >
    > > > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Thank you,
    > > > Brian
    > > > brian3812003@y...
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
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    > > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 16:27
    It's not accurate to say that the demand for the BS1 diminished, sure a
    bit, but the BS2 grew our customer base. Even with the BS2 family we
    have steadily sold BS1 modules all this time. You may be wondering
    about the "fire sale" on BS1 Rev D modules. The answer is simple: to
    make room for the new version, the Rev Dx.

    Yes, a lot of our efforts have been focused on the BS2 and until XP, we
    could use the DOS compiler in the Windows environment. This has forced
    our hand and we've solved the problem and are in final development and
    testing now. You can take a look at a screenshot here:

    http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/cPiTP1zvf_L3PMDpI5cq3GC9gclGyjOiAn-_Iw3oa41
    rUgtQeuKF8XH2S2C3m2YJv2HzhcKnVZrgivG3_Jf8cQSszU0X3Q/BS1_In_Windows.jpg

    I am an employee of Parallax and I can tell you that contrary to the
    belief of some, the BS1 is not dead. Stay tuned, gang, new BS1 products
    are just around the corner. The BS1 is a very capable little module and
    I for one, am very excited that I can program it in the Windows
    environment.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    -- Dallas Office

    Original Message
    From: Allan Lane [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=q34FzN8raxSICIu5ZwSKsjTpagWHS4e1JAg8BtQ8MVXa8uSKhktc1YeYWuRzxnvuGAaPC7gZty5ojSXMaPeqDzW-BmqFjOw]allan.lane@h...[/url
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 9:17 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    Basically, once Parallax created the BS2, they
    didn't see a lot of demand for the BS1. Out
    of the goodness of their hearts, and because
    the BS1 platform is cheaper, they continue
    to make them, and 'support' (answer questions)
    the BS1 for legacy applications.

    They would like to port the DOS based
    compiler to windows, but as I said, if there
    is little demand for it, it doesn't make a
    lot of sense to expend much effort on
    this. So they havn't got the product out
    yet.

    The best solution for you is probably to
    return the BS1 kit to your vendor, and
    upgrade to a BS2 kit. It's a MUCH more
    capable module, and you'll probably be
    happier with it in the long run.

    Note I am NOT an employee of Parallax,
    I've just been on the Forum for a year,
    and have seen this question a few times.

    --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "kggsystem" <kevgor@s...> wrote:
    > So what's a guy to do then?
    >
    > When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    > salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    > erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that
    the
    > development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    > clue...
    >
    > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back
    to
    > archaic versions of MS software.
    >
    > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    >
    > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > retailers shelves?
    >
    >
    > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    > wrote:
    > > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    > works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    > with millenium edition
    > > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    > >
    > > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    > Parallax
    > > PIC programmer was available.
    > >
    > > -- Jon Williams
    > > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > -- Dallas Office
    > >
    > >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    > >
    > >
    > > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    > >
    > > I am using BS1-IC
    > >
    > > parallel cable connections:
    > >
    > > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    > >
    > > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    > >
    > > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    > >
    > > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    > >
    > > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > > I am running Window XP
    > > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    > loaded, I
    > > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    > says
    > > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot
    let
    > me
    > > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    > chip and
    > > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    > >
    > > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    > >
    > > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    > >
    > >
    > > Thank you,
    > > Brian
    > > brian3812003@y...
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > Do you Yahoo!?
    > > The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 18:31
    Dans un e-mail dat
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 18:37
    Sorry, the direct link to the photo didn't work out. Go here:

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/basicstamps/

    Then select Files from the menu an click on BS1_In_Windows.JPG -- that
    is a screen shot from my computer showing the BS1 in the editor with
    syntax highlighting and a memory map; something that doesn't exist in
    the DOS BS1 editor (was introduced in the BS2).

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Parallax

    Original Message
    From: Csouche@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=aqfuk3Qv2fqmQA4C4MGq66JbV10WYovJE70oiehFXqxI3f1X5g1Vo-GtJCcI6eyh_v37_ZEwUvHWIg]Csouche@a...[/url
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 12:31 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help

    Is it possible to have the real link suggested by Jon.

    Thanks a lot.


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 19:45
    From: "Trygve Henriksen" <trygve.henriksen@v...>
    >
    > Why not just make a boot diskette for the PC?
    > A 1.44MB holds a 'mini' install of DOS, the BS1 IDE and all your .BS
    > program files with lots of space to spare...
    >

    And from: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
    >
    > One idea: create a Windows 98 (or earlier) boot floppy (assuming
    > you somewhere have a license for such) and copy the Parallax
    > software to it.

    Good grief.

    Yes, we have licenses and source around somewhere for everything since about
    DOS 2.1 including some of the exotic offshoots. What I don't have apparently
    is a memory worth a hoot. My own that is. It completely escaped me that it
    once was possible to have a running operating system and your working files
    on a single floppy.

    And here I'm busy programming for a computer with a grand total of 32 bytes
    of ram and 2k of non-volatile storage. Maybe it's my mind that's going<g>.

    > Boot from the floppy. You won't be able to see your hard drives but
    > you will be able to write your code and compile/download it. Just think
    > of it as retro.
    >
    That's pretty retro alright. Only one thing worries me... how much will the
    remnants of my brain suffer from the radiation effects of the DOS command
    interface on a 21" monitor?

    Thank you both for pointing out what should have been obvious.

    Gary
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 19:56
    From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    > [noparse][[/noparse]...] final development and
    > testing now. You can take a look at a screenshot here:
    >
    Beautiful. Just what I was hoping for, Jon.

    Well, almost. It says PBasic 1.0 in that directive and I was so hoping to
    use select-case statements to program my BS-1's. Doggone it.

    Gary
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 23:12
    That will take additional time, and SELECT-CASE is such a memory hog
    that it probably won't make it anyway -- remember, we only have 256
    bytes for tokens in the BS1.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Parallax

    Original Message
    From: Gary W. Sims [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=Q5mbLwAmrzdTRipvToE_H8kvls68Fcbko3_1mhg-wpkMeyQIQ9en3fPeYU-iDClLd2ncy8geDn9apvt-]simsgw@c...[/url
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:56 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    > [noparse][[/noparse]...] final development and
    > testing now. You can take a look at a screenshot here:
    >
    Beautiful. Just what I was hoping for, Jon.

    Well, almost. It says PBasic 1.0 in that directive and I was so hoping
    to use select-case statements to program my BS-1's. Doggone it.

    Gary



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 23:34
    > From: "Trygve Henriksen" <trygve.henriksen@v...>
    > >
    > > Why not just make a boot diskette for the PC?
    >
    > And from: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
    > >
    > > One idea: create a Windows 98 (or earlier) boot floppy [noparse][[/noparse]...]
    >
    > Thank you both for pointing out what should have been obvious.
    >
    And it worked like a dream. Here's the procedure for anyone else whose daily
    driver is picky about sharing ports, like XP:

    1. Put a 1.44MB floppy in the drive.

    2. Open My-Computer.

    3. Right-click on the drive title, which will be something like "1.44MB
    Floppy" unless you accidentally grabbed a floppy with a name.

    4. Select "format"; click "Make a bootable disk"; and click "Start".

    5. Turn off system and immediately turn it back on.

    6. At the boot, catch the BIOS set-up entry. For my system, I hold down the
    delete key. From here, you're on your own in setting the boot sequence to
    include the floppy drive BEFORE the hard drive, but it should be fairly
    obvious from the menus. If you're new to the BIOS I don't suggest you
    randomly change anything else. I strongly recommend you do NOT. My charge
    for house calls is terrifying -- and you may not have a bootable computer to
    look for help on the internet if you mess with random entries here.

    7. Save the new BIOS setting, and let it continue the re-boot. If you made
    the right change, it will now go to the floppy drive for boot.

    8. Curse. In as many languages as you have handy. Restart XP and repeat from
    Step 1. This time make three floppy disks that are hypothetically bootable,
    because your blank floppies have been sitting there gathering dust for three
    years, and half of them will cause a "DISK I/O ERROR" when the BIOS attempts
    to read the boot program. Turn off system again and reboot with one of these
    new floppies in the drive.

    9. When the classic a:> prompt appears, give a cheer. Now you know the drive
    works and the floppy is bootable, so restart XP to do what a less skeptical
    person might have done after step 4: put the Parallax CD in its drive and
    copy "stamp.exe" from the software folder over to the floppy. I created a
    directory called "stamp" (aka a "folder") for this purpose. Just for fun
    copy "debug.bas" as well so you have something to load and execute. Now
    restart the system again, letting it boot from that floppy.

    10. Connect the cable and press a 9V battery into the BS1's connector.

    11. Start the editor, press alt-L and select "debug.bas". Press alt-R to run
    the program. Now a couple more times just in case. Curse. Invent some
    languages to curse more extensively. Rummage in wife's miscellaneous drawer
    for a 9V battery that actually has some electrons.

    12. Install the battery manufactured in this century and run "debug.bas".
    Applaud quietly and run yourself. Apologize to wife for delay while dealing
    with life-critical problem when you promised to leave for shopping ten
    minutes ago.

    Elapsed time: twenty minutes. And worth every second. Boy, those DOS fonts
    look big on a 21" monitor, but I had grabbed one of my BS1's at random and
    it cheerfully counted to ten for me when I ran "debug.bas". Lovely. I'm in
    business.

    Gary
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 23:40
    Actually, I didn't check the memory available on the BS1, Jon, so I did not
    know -- but I was joking in any case.<g> I think it's amazing we can program
    these things in anything at all except assembler.

    Gary
    Original Message
    From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:12 PM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    > That will take additional time, and SELECT-CASE is such a memory hog
    > that it probably won't make it anyway -- remember, we only have 256
    > bytes for tokens in the BS1.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Parallax
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Gary W. Sims [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=SllYGwd6d6oK1_03dRD7R3g4AILpamoMF7iJRREM7xmAn9tTpTe3AuZ_nHAexeye70pFsqi1yjykEJrfkTM]simsgw@c...[/url
    > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:56 PM
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    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help
    >
    >
    > From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    > > [noparse][[/noparse]...] final development and
    > > testing now. You can take a look at a screenshot here:
    > >
    > Beautiful. Just what I was hoping for, Jon.
    >
    > Well, almost. It says PBasic 1.0 in that directive and I was so hoping
    > to use select-case statements to program my BS-1's. Doggone it.
    >
    > Gary
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-20 23:48
    Well, all kidding aside, our compiler engineer and I had a chat the
    other day about an update to PBASIC 1.0 (which will also allow modules
    for the Mac and Linux crowd). We feel quite certain that we can't make
    the kinds of updates we did when moving from PBASIC 2.0 to 2.5, but we
    can make a couple simple changes that will make programming just a bit
    easier for those less used to embedded BASIC.

    -- Jon Williams
    -- Parallax

    Original Message
    From: Gary W. Sims [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=n2217Hvqp23jngb4t6fTl9gne-lsXbuRbzGYJuIqG3T3SNLwxzZhdyhZjXgRNonfCZoUcEvN2Vq5lNyNxOoRlLA]simsgw@c...[/url
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 5:40 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    Actually, I didn't check the memory available on the BS1, Jon, so I did
    not know -- but I was joking in any case.<g> I think it's amazing we can
    program these things in anything at all except assembler.

    Gary
    Original Message
    From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 3:12 PM
    Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help


    > That will take additional time, and SELECT-CASE is such a memory hog
    > that it probably won't make it anyway -- remember, we only have 256
    > bytes for tokens in the BS1.
    >
    > -- Jon Williams
    > -- Parallax
    >
    >
    >
    Original Message
    > From: Gary W. Sims [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=n2217Hvqp23jngb4t6fTl9gne-lsXbuRbzGYJuIqG3T3SNLwxzZhdyhZjXgRNonfCZoUcEvN2Vq5lNyNxOoRlLA]simsgw@c...[/url
    > Sent: Monday, October 20, 2003 1:56 PM
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    > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help
    >
    >
    > From: "Jon Williams" <jwilliams@p...>
    > > [noparse][[/noparse]...] final development and
    > > testing now. You can take a look at a screenshot here:
    > >
    > Beautiful. Just what I was hoping for, Jon.
    >
    > Well, almost. It says PBasic 1.0 in that directive and I was so hoping

    > to use select-case statements to program my BS-1's. Doggone it.
    >
    > Gary
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-10-21 16:42
    hi al, somehow i received your message by mistake. however i have a question
    for you, awhile back you had shift button" idea for one of your monthly
    projects, i lost it and have been trying to find it on your website, could
    you point me in the right direction?

    thanks, mark


    >From: "Al Williams" <alw@a...>
    >Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    >To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    >Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help
    >Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2003 06:42:27 -0500
    >
    >One idea: create a Windows 98 (or earlier) boot floppy (assuming you
    >somewhere have a license for such) and copy the Parallax software to it.
    >Boot from the floppy. You won't be able to see your hard drives but you
    >will
    >be able to write your code and compile/download it. Just think of it as
    >retro.
    >
    >If you have a license and don't have a computer that can create the boot
    >floppy for you, you could probably find a copy on the Web -- search for
    >"boot disk" in google and you should find something.
    >
    >Regards,
    >
    >Al Williams
    >AWC
    >*Electronic Kits - http://www.al-williams.com/kits.htm
    >
    >
    >
    > >
    Original Message
    > > From: kggsystem [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=H2PWWM5tP_9luzJW71TSC9A-5oWsclNoOj-ECvRqvz3shKvg2_MxGarZfbMiJA44HspW0m2X7g]kevgor@s...[/url
    > > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 12:44 PM
    > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: New to BS1 Help
    > >
    > >
    > > So what's a guy to do then?
    > >
    > > When I first bought my BS1 Starter kit, I went to the store and the
    > > salesman didn't tell me that you need to go back to software you
    > > erased off your computer three years ago, he didn't tell me that the
    > > development system is only DOS based. Frankly I doubt he had a
    > > clue...
    > >
    > > I'm using Windows XP, I have NTFS partitions, I am not going back to
    > > archaic versions of MS software.
    > >
    > > Should I just return the stuff (BS1 Starter kit) to the retailer?
    > >
    > > Why would Parallax even allow obsolete stuff like this to stay on
    > > retailers shelves?
    > >
    > >
    > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kyle Cooper <crazykurby@y...>
    > > wrote:
    > > > I did the same thing so I called and asked and the program only
    > > works with 3.1 to 98 or
    > > > systems with full dos but it doesnt work with xp but it does work
    > > with millenium edition
    > > > havent tried it on windows 2000 though.
    > > >
    > > > Jon Williams <jwilliams@p...> wrote:
    > > > BTW ... ALT I was used to program PIC16C58 when the original
    > > Parallax
    > > > PIC programmer was available.
    > > >
    > > > -- Jon Williams
    > > > -- Applications Engineer, Parallax
    > > > -- Dallas Office
    > > >
    > > >
    > > >
    Original Message
    > > > From: Brian D [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:brian3812003@y...]
    > > > Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:49 PM
    > > > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] New to BS1 Help
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > I just discovered basic stamps and need a little help.
    > > >
    > > > I am using BS1-IC
    > > >
    > > > parallel cable connections:
    > > >
    > > > cable # 25 to BS1 Pin 2
    > > >
    > > > cable #11 to BS1 Pin 3
    > > >
    > > > cable # 2 to BS1 Pin 4
    > > >
    > > > 9 volt + to BS1 Pin 1
    > > >
    > > > 9 volt - to BS1 Pin 2
    > > > I am running Window XP
    > > > from with in the Command Prompt, Basic program and my program
    > > loaded, I
    > > > get the following: When I hit ALT I to program the IC the screen
    > > says
    > > > PIC16C58A when m chip has printed on it PIC16C56A, it will mot let
    > > me
    > > > change this. If I hit the space bar as directed to program the
    > > chip and
    > > > error "PIC16CXX-PGM not found
    > > >
    > > > I hit ALT R and I get : error message "hardware not found"
    > > >
    > > > what am I doing wrong?? Please help
    > > >
    > > >
    > > > Thank you,
    > > > Brian
    > > > brian3812003@y...
    > > >
    > > >
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