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Motors and Locomotion

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2003-09-26 12:00 in General Discussion
Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )

Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )

We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle
the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have to
be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.

Any help would be appreciated.


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-22 23:15
    Bryan,

    You probably need to supply a little more information here...

    What Power Source do you have at your convenience?
    What is the maximum grad of inclination that your '100 pound'
    lawn mower is expected to traverse? Declination - Brakes?
    Will this lawn mower bag the grass? If so, is that weight
    figured in with the 100 pounds? Wet grass can be very heavy
    depending on the volume in which is being bagged.

    Curious:
    Where did you come up with 50 rpm? 21.4mph is a bit fast for
    a lawn mower.

    -Beau Schwabe

    >Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
    >i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )
    >
    >Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
    >found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
    >http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )
    >
    >We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
    >don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle
    >the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have to
    >be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.
    >
    >Any help would be appreciated.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-23 01:25
    100 lbs? The RL500 from www.friendlyrobotics.com weighs 78 lbs (50 lbs
    mower and 28 lbs battery pack). Maybe that's a carbon-fiber racing
    version [noparse]:)[/noparse].
    Dennis

    Original Message
    From: Bryan Smith [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=OszQla3Jx1dmgcrC67I2Y1HvK59MFWTHiW3yu9H1vzeIh0sZ7pBI4henCJjUfGCRQmyfZyX4ONaJ]bsmith@w...[/url
    Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 2:32 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Motors and Locomotion


    Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
    i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )

    Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
    found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
    http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )

    We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
    don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle
    the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have to
    be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.

    Any help would be appreciated.


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-23 11:58
    In a message dated 9/22/03 3:35:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
    bsmith@w... writes:


    > Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
    > i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )
    >
    > Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
    > found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
    > http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )
    >
    > We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
    > don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle
    > the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have to
    > be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated.
    >

    Brian,

    For my robot I used a two motor form Surplus Center 1-800-488-3407. Part
    number 5-1252. My robot lawn mower weighs over a 100 lbs. They are $32.50 and
    very very powerful.

    Tim
    Denver


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-23 15:35
    Thanks for your reply. I could not find the part number on their web
    site. Did you gear the motor down ? If so, how much ?

    Original Message
    From: Trkeenan@a... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=yBRQmmphNI4mKRWor05FAXQsE3b2LLgez1Uc9jxTCZwly8_ypO1lmi9f-eHjkZJ_a1tBrnHv]Trkeenan@a...[/url
    Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2003 5:59 AM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Motors and Locomotion


    In a message dated 9/22/03 3:35:00 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
    bsmith@w... writes:


    > Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
    > i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )
    >
    > Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
    > found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
    > http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )
    >
    > We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
    > don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle

    > the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have
    > to be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.
    >
    > Any help would be appreciated.
    >

    Brian,

    For my robot I used a two motor form Surplus Center 1-800-488-3407.
    Part
    number 5-1252. My robot lawn mower weighs over a 100 lbs. They are
    $32.50 and
    very very powerful.

    Tim
    Denver


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-23 15:51
    We will probably use 12 volts for our battery. The yard is pretty level
    - bumps of course. The blade will be so efficient that we won't need to
    bag any grass. We are planning on using a L298N for an H-Bridge along
    with a PAK-VIII for PWM. We purchased an electric lawn-mower that
    weighs 90 lbs. But with batteries and stuff it will be at least 100
    lbs. We are currently planning for the wheels to be 12 inches in
    diameter. How did you come up with the 21 miles per hour ? Our formula
    is as follows: 12 inch diameter * 3.14 * 50 rpm * 60 minutes in an hour
    / 12 inches in a foot / 5280 feet in a mile equals 1.78 miles per hour.
    Are we missing something ?

    Have you worked with pulling a 100 lb load ( i.e. heavy load ) ? If so,
    did you gear it down ? And where did you get your motor and gear
    reduction ?

    Original Message
    From: Beau Schwabe [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=bixCpSF_fAPP99SltRJdf66fWtAQaHA42kXT2aDIBGnFFTk_DQ2CZEMCyosPUhWO5Mr4eiqn4dc8TvG9KZck]bschwabe@a...[/url
    Sent: Monday, September 22, 2003 5:15 PM
    To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Motors and Locomotion


    Bryan,

    You probably need to supply a little more information here...

    What Power Source do you have at your convenience?
    What is the maximum grad of inclination that your '100 pound' lawn mower
    is expected to traverse? Declination - Brakes? Will this lawn mower bag
    the grass? If so, is that weight figured in with the 100 pounds? Wet
    grass can be very heavy depending on the volume in which is being
    bagged.

    Curious:
    Where did you come up with 50 rpm? 21.4mph is a bit fast for
    a lawn mower.

    -Beau Schwabe

    >Where are people using to power their robots having a heavy load ? (
    >i.e. DC Motors with pulley, sprocket, gears )
    >
    >Where are people buying their motors, gears, sprockets, etc. ? We
    >found a place on the web for motors - but they seem expensive. (
    >http://www.robotcombat.com/marketplace_motors_ame.html )
    >
    >We are wanting to push a 100 pound load for our robot lawn mower. We
    >don't think that the smaller geared motors we already have will handle
    >the load. We want to purchase a motor, and figure that it will have to

    >be reduced down to 50 rpm for our 12 inch wheels.
    >
    >Any help would be appreciated.



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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-23 16:12
    At 09:51 AM 9/23/03 -0500, you wrote:
    >We will probably use 12 volts for our battery. The yard is pretty level
    >- bumps of course. The blade will be so efficient that we won't need to
    >bag any grass. We are planning on using a L298N for an H-Bridge along
    >with a PAK-VIII for PWM. We purchased an electric lawn-mower that
    >weighs 90 lbs. But with batteries and stuff it will be at least 100
    >lbs. We are currently planning for the wheels to be 12 inches in
    >diameter.


    Diameter * Pi = Circumfrence
    12 in * 3.14 = 37.68 in

    Oops!... I used 37.68 feet!
    ...Anyway continuing with the equation...

    rpm / 60 = rps
    50 rpm / 60 = .8333 rps

    rps * Circumfrence = in/sec
    .8333 rps * 37.68 in = 31.4 in/sec

    ft/sec = {in/sec} / 12
    = 2.6167 ft/sec

    MPH = ( 3600 * {ft/sec} ) / 5280

    MPH = 1.78

    Sorry for the ERROR!

    -Beau Schwabe


    >How did you come up with the 21 miles per hour ? Our formula
    >is as follows: 12 inch diameter * 3.14 * 50 rpm * 60 minutes in an hour
    >/ 12 inches in a foot / 5280 feet in a mile equals 1.78 miles per hour.
    >Are we missing something ?
    >
    >Have you worked with pulling a 100 lb load ( i.e. heavy load ) ? If so,
    >did you gear it down ? And where did you get your motor and gear
    >reduction ?

    At one time I had a 70 pound 1/5 scale RC car that used two wheelchair
    direct drive pancake motors with a 24V supply.
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-09-26 12:00
    In a message dated 9/23/03 8:37:47 AM Mountain Daylight Time,
    bsmith@w... writes:


    > Thanks for your reply. I could not find the part number on their web
    > site. Did you gear the motor down ? If so, how much ?
    >
    >

    No, I used the motor connected directly to the wheel. Mine goes a top speed
    of 3 MPH using 6" wheels.

    Tim


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