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Which caps for serial com?

ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
edited 2003-08-14 00:27 in General Discussion
Hi All,

What type of caps do folks like for the programming input on a BS2p,
meaning the 100V/.1uF ones? I'll probably use DigiKey, if anyone has a part
# handy. Through hole mount as small as possible would be ideal.

Thanks,

Jonathan

www.madlabs.info

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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 21:13
    In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:49:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    jpeakall@m... writes:


    > What type of caps do folks like for the programming input on a BS2p,
    > meaning the 100V/.1uF ones? I'll probably use DigiKey, if anyone has a part
    > # handy. Through hole mount as small as possible would be ideal.
    >
    > Thanks,
    >

    BC1160CT, .1uf, 50WVDC, .100 centers

    Sid Weaver
    W4EKQ
    Port Richey, FL


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 21:34
    Sid,

    So it is ok to use a cap rated for 50V? What about 35V? I have some tantalum
    .1uF/35V caps handy.

    Thanks for the help!

    Jonathan

    www.madlabs.info

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    > In a message dated 8/13/2003 3:49:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    > jpeakall@m... writes:
    >
    >
    > > What type of caps do folks like for the programming input on a BS2p,
    > > meaning the 100V/.1uF ones? I'll probably use DigiKey, if anyone has a
    part
    > > # handy. Through hole mount as small as possible would be ideal.
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    >
    > BC1160CT, .1uf, 50WVDC, .100 centers
    >
    > Sid Weaver
    > W4EKQ
    > Port Richey, FL
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 21:36
    In a message dated 8/13/2003 4:34:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    jpeakall@m... writes:


    > So it is ok to use a cap rated for 50V? What about 35V? I have some
    > tantalum
    > .1uF/35V caps handy.
    >
    > Thanks for the help!
    >

    Jonathan, do NOT use tantalum. One of the caps is for coupling, the other
    for by-pass. Use a ceramic or metal film cap that is not polarized. The part
    numbers I gave you works well in all my applications.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 21:42
    Thanks Sid!

    Jonathan

    www.madlabs.info

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    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 1:36 PM
    Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Which caps for serial com?


    > In a message dated 8/13/2003 4:34:10 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    > jpeakall@m... writes:
    >
    >
    > > So it is ok to use a cap rated for 50V? What about 35V? I have some
    > > tantalum
    > > .1uF/35V caps handy.
    > >
    > > Thanks for the help!
    > >
    >
    > Jonathan, do NOT use tantalum. One of the caps is for coupling, the other
    > for by-pass. Use a ceramic or metal film cap that is not polarized. The
    part
    > numbers I gave you works well in all my applications.
    >
    > Sid
    >
    >
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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 21:48
    In a message dated 8/13/2003 4:41:33 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    jpeakall@m... writes:


    > Thanks Sid!
    >
    >

    You're welcome, Jonathan. Anytime.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-13 23:50
    Hello Sid,
    On Wednesday, August 13, 2003, at 04:36 PM, Newzed@a... wrote:

    > Jonathan, do NOT use tantalum. One of the caps is for coupling, the
    > other
    > for by-pass. Use a ceramic or metal film cap that is not polarized.

    Maybe you could fill in the blanks for those us who don't know about
    tantalum VS. other caps.

    Thanks,

    Ben
  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-14 00:12
    In a message dated 8/13/2003 6:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, ben@c...
    writes:


    > Maybe you could fill in the blanks for those us who don't know about
    > tantalum VS. other caps.
    >

    Tantalums are basically electrolytics and as such are polarized. They should
    never be used in a circuit where the "positive" lead could be subjected to a
    voltage below ground, i.e., any negative voltage. They are normally used as
    filter caps in circuits where the voltage is a pulsating DC, i.e. again, where
    the voltage never goes below ground. Reverse polarity, if of sufficient
    magnitude can cause a tantalum - or any other electrolytic - to explode. If you

    look at the tops of aluminum or tantalum caps in the larger sizes, you will see
    crossed indentations in the metal top. These are to allow the cap to expand
    and vent when reverse voltage is applied and avoid an actual "explosion". This
    works pretty well except in cases of extreme over-voltage.
    Non-polarized capacitors - ceramic, film, foil - are not polarity sensitive
    and they don't care which leads go to ground. This type should be used
    whenever a coupling or bypass requirement exists, or in any
    frequency-determining
    circuit.

    I hope this helps.

    Sid


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  • ArchiverArchiver Posts: 46,084
    edited 2003-08-14 00:27
    To embellish on Sid's excellent comments:

    For A.C. passing audio applications, an electrolytic in the wrong place will
    cause asymmetrical current to flow, with awful sounding audio the result.
    And those little relief vents on electrolytic caps won't work in a
    high-current reversal, which can result in molten aluminum confetti all over
    your circuit. The reason why is that electrolytic caps pack a lot of farads
    in a small space due to an oxide layer between the two foil segments. This
    forms an insulating barrier between the conductive plates which can be is
    very thin.... But this oxide layer will short out with any reverse polarity
    resulting in catastrophic(!) failure.

    Also be aware that for high-frequency switched power supplies, the
    jelly-roll winding of a standard electrolytic has too much inductance to
    work. So a folded high-frequency capacitor that's usable to 50 kHz or so is
    selected for the job. Never substitute a standard electrolytic for a
    switcher power supply capacitor. Bad things will happen....

    Mike Sokol

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    To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 7:12 PM
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    > In a message dated 8/13/2003 6:51:26 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    ben@c...
    > writes:
    >
    >
    > > Maybe you could fill in the blanks for those us who don't know about
    > > tantalum VS. other caps.
    > >
    >
    > Tantalums are basically electrolytics and as such are polarized. They
    should
    > never be used in a circuit where the "positive" lead could be subjected to
    a
    > voltage below ground, i.e., any negative voltage. They are normally used
    as
    > filter caps in circuits where the voltage is a pulsating DC, i.e. again,
    where
    > the voltage never goes below ground. Reverse polarity, if of sufficient
    > magnitude can cause a tantalum - or any other electrolytic - to explode.
    If you
    > look at the tops of aluminum or tantalum caps in the larger sizes, you
    will see
    > crossed indentations in the metal top. These are to allow the cap to
    expand
    > and vent when reverse voltage is applied and avoid an actual "explosion".
    This
    > works pretty well except in cases of extreme over-voltage.
    > Non-polarized capacitors - ceramic, film, foil - are not polarity
    sensitive
    > and they don't care which leads go to ground. This type should be used
    > whenever a coupling or bypass requirement exists, or in any
    frequency-determining
    > circuit.
    >
    > I hope this helps.
    >
    > Sid
    >
    >
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