Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
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I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
Ian
anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
Ian
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The wierd multi pin square port is actually a SCSI port (Apple
propritary connector, standard SCSI protocol)
You can find a manual for this laptop at:
<http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/0306899
APWRBK190UG.PDF>
You could get a PCMICA serial card for it.
Hope this helps,
Kevin
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To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> Ian
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with the stamp?
Ian
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From: Kevin Lavigne [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=L-VMJTwCSHNSQnAPfJJPJEER-vA2zmAuDaY9NwcpRoNTpQHqsp7XFBJ42T21JPq4hMD2NPeBcAeKObbz]klavigne@c...[/url
Sent: February 18, 2003 11:39 AM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
Hi Ian,
The wierd multi pin square port is actually a SCSI port (Apple
propritary connector, standard SCSI protocol)
You can find a manual for this laptop at:
<http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/030
6899
APWRBK190UG.PDF>
You could get a PCMICA serial card for it.
Hope this helps,
Kevin
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From: <iphillips@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:54 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> Ian
>
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I do not use a Mac but in one of my past careers worked at a PC retailer
and managed to pick up on hardware/interface differences.
Check the files section of this board and search the past messages.
There are a bunch of Mac based Stamp people out there and there have been
numerous posts on this subject.
Have a good day,
Kevin
Original Message
From: "Ian Phillips" <iphillips@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:34 PM
Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
> Thanks for the PC card idea, hadn't thought of that. Have you used a Mac
> with the stamp?
> Ian
>
>
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> From: Kevin Lavigne [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=qcAS2AemiR3ffypilb9RgcCNc6-w_6Uy9X--fNFQvqMNxUqAkFi9PU-uWYVFNuTgzgEgHGYWkRzs-YrpIV4]klavigne@c...[/url
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> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
>
> Hi Ian,
> The wierd multi pin square port is actually a SCSI port (Apple
> propritary connector, standard SCSI protocol)
> You can find a manual for this laptop at:
> <http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/030
> 6899
> APWRBK190UG.PDF>
> You could get a PCMICA serial card for it.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Kevin
>
>
Original Message
> From: <iphillips@s...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:54 AM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
>
>
> > I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> > anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> > be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> > One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> > multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> > Ian
> >
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The PB190 does have a serial port.
However, it is RS422 - not RS232.
With a little adapter cable you can talk to RS232 based devices.
However, you will not be able to program a Stamp with it, but you can talk
to a stamp with it during run time (I do it all the time on my Powerbook).
The RS422 port is the one with a printer/modem icon.
Cheers,
Ben.
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Crofton Downs
Wellington
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> From: "iphillipsca <iphillips@s...>" <iphillips@s...>
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:54:11 -0000
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
>
> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> Ian
>
>
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Mac Serial ports are 8 pin mini-din connectors(1) (little round 8-pin ps/2
size connector). This laptop has one serial port, it's labeled with two
icons, a telephone handset (modem port) and a printer (looks like an Apple
Imagewriter II to me.) The port performed double duty. The versions of
MacOS that I've run on the 5300 call this the "Printer/Modem port".
Search on Google for "Basic Stamp Mac" will turn up a bunch of results for
how to program stamps from such a computer.
Here's one that explains software and pin-outs of Macintosh Serial ports.
http://www.43south.co.nz/stamps/
I'd advise you to find a copy of SoftPC. It will run reasonably on this
machine. Virtual PC will be overkill.
The "multipin square port" is the SCSI port. Check out this link for more
information on the laptop. (Manuals, Specifications, Software). You can
download MacOS 7.5.3 and the update to MacOS 7.5.5 for free from this site.
http://www.apple.com/support/
Joshua
(1) well, there are 9 pin mini-din geoport connectors, these provide power
for the geoport modem. Could be useful for small projects, powering the
stamp from the laptop instead of its battery while programming, but that's
for another discussion.
--On Tuesday, February 18, 2003 2:54 PM +0000 "iphillipsca
<iphillips@s...>" <iphillips@s...> wrote:
> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> Ian
>
>
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basicstamps@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> Ian
>
>
>
>
Ian,
Your powerbook *has* a serial port. Your pronter port (round 8 pin port) is a
rs485 serial port. a conversion dongle TO RS232 can be easily obtained- I use
one from a Palm Mac connect Kit which costs about $10. I use it for a lot of
PC software that I run on a PC emulator.
The only remaining problem is software. Neither Parallax nor anyone else has
published software that I have seen that is reliable on a broad spectrum of
Macs.
One continues to hope, but I don't think it has happened yet. You read
occasional reports of someone being able to make the transition to
programming from a Mac with emulator software, but there have been many more
failures in this respect that successes. There are timing issues with Stamp
connect software that Parallax has never properly addressed. I can write
programs just fine, but they just won't load, no matter what efforts are
made.
Lately, with the release by Parallax of compiler software, some folks have
done conversions for OS 9 and OS 10, but your machine (and mine ) won't run
these and they invariably depend on USB ports.
Your best bet is to get someones throwaway PC and curse Parallax's
indifference to the Mac or seek other Pic solutions.
Larry
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Ben here again.
1. Visit that url that was given before for 43south.co.nz. It is run by a
workmate of mine (we both work for Apple Computer here in NZ), and he (James
Tolchard) is pretty switched on .
I have never tried his suggestions on any Macs, but they should work.
The PB140 is a 68LC040 based Mac, which will run OS8.1 maximum (therefore,
USB PC Cards are not an option if you were thinking of using a Keyspan USB
to RS232 adapter).
2. If you manage to get a (free?) G3 or higher based Mac, then go with my
ideas on my web site - they work well for me.
Cheers,
Ben.
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http://www.lennard.net.nz/
Ben Lennard, NCEE, Dip EE
Electronics R&D - Kiwi Made, Innovative Electronics.
Hm: +64 4 972 7567
Mb: +64 21 536 627
87 Spencer Street
Crofton Downs
Wellington
New Zealand
"To the optimist, the glass is half full. To the pessimist, the glass is
half empty. To the engineer, the glass is twice as big as it needs to be."
No animals were harmed in the transmission of this email, although the
Dog next door is living on borrowed time, let me tell you! Those of you
with an overwhelming fear of the unknown will be gratified to learn that
there is no hidden message revealed by reading this warning backwards.
> From: LJGeib@a...
> Reply-To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:46:48 EST
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
>
> In a message dated 2/18/03 6:55:26 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> basicstamps@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
>>
>> I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
>> anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
>> be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
>> One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
>> multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
>> Ian
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Ian,
>
> Your powerbook *has* a serial port. Your pronter port (round 8 pin port) is a
> rs485 serial port. a conversion dongle TO RS232 can be easily obtained- I use
> one from a Palm Mac connect Kit which costs about $10. I use it for a lot of
> PC software that I run on a PC emulator.
>
> The only remaining problem is software. Neither Parallax nor anyone else has
> published software that I have seen that is reliable on a broad spectrum of
> Macs.
> One continues to hope, but I don't think it has happened yet. You read
> occasional reports of someone being able to make the transition to
> programming from a Mac with emulator software, but there have been many more
> failures in this respect that successes. There are timing issues with Stamp
> connect software that Parallax has never properly addressed. I can write
> programs just fine, but they just won't load, no matter what efforts are
> made.
> Lately, with the release by Parallax of compiler software, some folks have
> done conversions for OS 9 and OS 10, but your machine (and mine ) won't run
> these and they invariably depend on USB ports.
>
> Your best bet is to get someones throwaway PC and curse Parallax's
> indifference to the Mac or seek other Pic solutions.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
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method (Check Parallax's site for their PDF).
I have Mac OS 9.1, then run Virtual PC 3.0 with Windows 98, and BASIC
Stamp Editor V1.04. The USB port of the Mac has a KeySpan USA 19 USB to
DB-9 adapter.
It was a bit of an outlay for VPC and the adapter, and took a bit of
fidgiting to get it all set, but it is now very solid and I get a lot
of use out of it. The speed is fine and its nice to not have to keep a
second computer (and a PC at that) up and running to do Stamps.
If your machine can run OS9 and add a USB to D-9 converter then it
might work for you too.
Roger
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Lavigne <klavigne@c...>
wrote:
> Hi Ian,
> I do not use a Mac but in one of my past careers worked at a PC retailer
> and managed to pick up on hardware/interface differences.
> Check the files section of this board and search the past messages.
> There are a bunch of Mac based Stamp people out there and there have been
> numerous posts on this subject.
>
> Have a good day,
>
> Kevin
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Ian Phillips" <iphillips@s...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 12:34 PM
> Subject: RE: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
>
>
> > Thanks for the PC card idea, hadn't thought of that. Have you used a Mac
> > with the stamp?
> > Ian
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: Kevin Lavigne [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:klavigne@c...]
> > Sent: February 18, 2003 11:39 AM
> > To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
> >
> > Hi Ian,
> > The wierd multi pin square port is actually a SCSI port (Apple
> > propritary connector, standard SCSI protocol)
> > You can find a manual for this laptop at:
> > <http://manuals.info.apple.com/Apple_Support_Area/Manuals/powerbooks/030
> > 6899
> > APWRBK190UG.PDF>
> > You could get a PCMICA serial card for it.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Kevin
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: <iphillips@s...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2003 9:54 AM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Stamp editor and Old Powerbook
> >
> >
> > > I was just given a Powerbook 190cs for free and was wondering if
> > > anyone else was using the same for working with the Stamp. It would
> > > be nice to use if I can for ease of updates, troubleshooting, etc.
> > > One thing though, it doesn't have a serial port. Just this weird
> > > multipin square port. Any help appreciated.
> > > Ian
> > >
> > >
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timing.
an old Mac is one that won't rum anything newer than OS 8.1.
I have a 1400 and it's too slow.
Larry
In a message dated 2/20/03 7:21:52 AM Pacific Standard Time,
basicstamps@yahoogroups.com writes:
>
> I program Stamps from a PowerBook G3 using the Parallax suggested
> method (Check Parallax's site for their PDF).
>
> I have Mac OS 9.1, then run Virtual PC 3.0 with Windows 98, and BASIC
> Stamp Editor V1.04. The USB port of the Mac has a KeySpan USA 19 USB to
> DB-9 adapter.
>
>
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