Show car? Talent?
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Based on all the replies so far, you have received
plenty of help.
The interesting thing with show cars is that they are
supposed to represent your capabilities, however in
this case the capabilities are coming from someone
else.
With all the help so far and your being "an electronic
major" you had better get used to programming, as
micro's are at the leading edge of the "electronics
field".
Telling anyone on this list to "Smile off" will garner
no help from everyone. It will simply define that you
indeed, in need of a new learning experience.
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:58:51 -0800
> From: "Stephen H Chapman" <chapman@t...>
> Subject: Re: Re: car lights
>
> Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
to solve your total
> programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
give me the answers to a
> question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW EXPERIENCE.
>
>
>
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:29:11 -0000
> From: "rs4_3_ss <vormulac35@h...>"
<vormulac35@h...>
> Subject: Re: car lights
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H
Chapman"
> <chapman@t...> wrote:
> > Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
to solve your
> total
> > programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
give me the
> answers to a
> > question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> > In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW
EXPERIENCE.
>
>
>
> Think, it may be a new experience... buddy, after
three years of
> electronics, with one more to go, I think that it
should be you
> thinking before you run your mouth about something
that is none of
> your business. The time I have after everything I do
for college
> leaves me no time to be working on the "the bugs" of
a program. and
> for your info, if you want to see how lazy I am, we
can set up a
> meeting between the two of us over email, and I'll
show you. Now,
> Smile off.
plenty of help.
The interesting thing with show cars is that they are
supposed to represent your capabilities, however in
this case the capabilities are coming from someone
else.
With all the help so far and your being "an electronic
major" you had better get used to programming, as
micro's are at the leading edge of the "electronics
field".
Telling anyone on this list to "Smile off" will garner
no help from everyone. It will simply define that you
indeed, in need of a new learning experience.
> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:58:51 -0800
> From: "Stephen H Chapman" <chapman@t...>
> Subject: Re: Re: car lights
>
> Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
to solve your total
> programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
give me the answers to a
> question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW EXPERIENCE.
>
>
>
>
>
_______________________________________________________
_________________
>
_______________________________________________________
_________________
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> Message: 24
> Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:29:11 -0000
> From: "rs4_3_ss <vormulac35@h...>"
<vormulac35@h...>
> Subject: Re: car lights
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H
Chapman"
> <chapman@t...> wrote:
> > Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
to solve your
> total
> > programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
give me the
> answers to a
> > question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> > In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW
EXPERIENCE.
>
>
>
> Think, it may be a new experience... buddy, after
three years of
> electronics, with one more to go, I think that it
should be you
> thinking before you run your mouth about something
that is none of
> your business. The time I have after everything I do
for college
> leaves me no time to be working on the "the bugs" of
a program. and
> for your info, if you want to see how lazy I am, we
can set up a
> meeting between the two of us over email, and I'll
show you. Now,
> Smile off.
Comments
He never told anyone to "Smile off" except in reply to an ugly email.
He was simply asking for some help,
and apparently people think he is asking for too much help.
Each is entitled to his own opinion, but for now I think that all personal
attacks should be kept off list, and sent to the individual himself.
-- Kyle S.
Original Message
From: "Ronald Anderson" <ronaldsa@e...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2003 8:54 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Show car? Talent?
> Based on all the replies so far, you have received
> plenty of help.
>
> The interesting thing with show cars is that they are
> supposed to represent your capabilities, however in
> this case the capabilities are coming from someone
> else.
>
> With all the help so far and your being "an electronic
> major" you had better get used to programming, as
> micro's are at the leading edge of the "electronics
> field".
>
> Telling anyone on this list to "Smile off" will garner
> no help from everyone. It will simply define that you
> indeed, in need of a new learning experience.
>
>
>
>
> > Message: 23
> > Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 22:58:51 -0800
> > From: "Stephen H Chapman" <chapman@t...>
> > Subject: Re: Re: car lights
> >
> > Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
> to solve your total
> > programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
> give me the answers to a
> > question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> > In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW EXPERIENCE.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> _______________________________________________________
> _________________
> >
> _______________________________________________________
> _________________
> >
> > Message: 24
> > Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 07:29:11 -0000
> > From: "rs4_3_ss <vormulac35@h...>"
> <vormulac35@h...>
> > Subject: Re: car lights
> >
> > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Stephen H
> Chapman"
> > <chapman@t...> wrote:
> > > Learn to think logically. Don't expect someone else
> to solve your
> > total
> > > programming challenge. Would you say to a Professor
> give me the
> > answers to a
> > > question that I am too lazy to learn how to solve?
> > > In the real world, THINK IT MAY BE A NEW
> EXPERIENCE.
> >
> >
> >
> > Think, it may be a new experience... buddy, after
> three years of
> > electronics, with one more to go, I think that it
> should be you
> > thinking before you run your mouth about something
> that is none of
> > your business. The time I have after everything I do
> for college
> > leaves me no time to be working on the "the bugs" of
> a program. and
> > for your info, if you want to see how lazy I am, we
> can set up a
> > meeting between the two of us over email, and I'll
> show you. Now,
> > Smile off.
>
>
>
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--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, <conversionist@p...> wrote:
> I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic
Stamp program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not
to. I see what kind of a reply I might get!!
>
> Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors
available for college students. No, let's put it another way! There
should be no gentle, caring teachers in elementary school,
kindergarten or preschool! Instead, every child should be beaten and
not given any material from what others have learned-every baby must
learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must die instantly
from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed to
live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
>
> T.A.
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see what kind of a
reply I might get!!
Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors available for
college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no gentle,
caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool! Instead, every
child should be beaten and not given any material from what others have
learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must
die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed to
live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
T.A.
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Just look back over all the helpful responses to other posts on this list.
This is one of the best and most supportive groups I have ever subscribed
to.
I think the problem here was brought about by a certain someone shouting
their mouth off without due cause and upsetting people unnecessarily.
IMHO, advice and guidance is the best way to discover whatever knowledge you
need. Will you actually learn anything if every solution is simply handed to
you on a silver platter ?
Just my .02p worth.
Justin.
Original Message
From: conversionist@p... [noparse]/noparse]mailto:[url=http://forums.parallaxinc.com/group/basicstamps/post?postID=EHpIACk1Bb1-GrUX8UKvehvICXtDepOZtvwkVLQWO9XrbYCBg5Fc1Bv283y1vUspWK7U608SodcWJQs1MlYd6FWk]conversionist@p...[/url
Sent: 11 February 2003 18:22
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Show car? Talent?
I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic Stamp
program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see what
kind of a reply I might get!!
Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors available for
college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no gentle,
caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool! Instead,
every child should be beaten and not given any material from what others
have learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes
or must die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be
allowed to live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
T.A.
willing to help and answer questions. Offers of help were met with what
amounted to a subsequent request to write and debug the code for the
original requester, he didn't want to waste his time doing it or
learning how to do it. There are very few here who are willing to take
it to that level. I myself gave this individual a program "outline" on
how to do what he wanted, as did several others on this list. All we
left out were the actual program statements and a few even gave those
commands but not as a completely "functioning" program. That apparently
wasn't enough, he wanted the COMPLETE program written and debugged. That
is NOT what a tutor is supposed to do!
Be assured you will get all kinds of help, hints and tips on this list,
even examples of how to make a subroutine do what you need it to do. But
PLEASE do not ask that people write, debug and ship the entire program
code to you.
Ray
conversionist@p... wrote:
> I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic Stamp program
I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see what kind of a
reply I might get!!
>
> Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors available for
college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no gentle,
caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool! Instead, every
child should be beaten and not given any material from what others have
learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must
die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed to
live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
>
> T.A.
>
>
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worried.
and I agree with what your saying somewhat
1 with the flashing lights you could pull someone over and rape them I
guess ( this really scares men)
2 did you say you didn't have time to do the work ( that really pisses
people off)
3 If you said it was a show car first, there would not have been such
a scare
4 Keep asking some days people's answers are just as vague and
demeaning as the questions
5 Has anyone been sued for helping on a internet list to date ?
Larry Gaminde
Original Message
From: <conversionist@p...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: February 11, 2003 10:22 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Show car? Talent?
: I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic
Stamp program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to.
I see what kind of a reply I might get!!
:
: Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors
available for college students. No, let's put it another way! There
should be no gentle, caring teachers in elementary school,
kindergarten or preschool! Instead, every child should be beaten and
not given any material from what others have learned-every baby must
learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must die instantly
from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed to
live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
:
: T.A.
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who attacked the person verbally who was asking for help. No, I think
we should try to take on the challenge of learning and do the best we
can, but if we get stuck, it should be O.K. to ask for help. There
are also some of us who have great trouble with things that seem very
easy to others. I don't think that person should be put down because
the answer seems obvious to someone else. I don't like to see a
person abused because they ask for help-I believe in the policy that
the only stupid question is one not asked.
T.A.--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Justin" <yahoogroups@j...>
wrote:
> Don't be ridiculous !
>
> Just look back over all the helpful responses to other posts on
this list.
> This is one of the best and most supportive groups I have ever
subscribed
> to.
>
> I think the problem here was brought about by a certain someone
shouting
> their mouth off without due cause and upsetting people
unnecessarily.
>
> IMHO, advice and guidance is the best way to discover whatever
knowledge you
> need. Will you actually learn anything if every solution is simply
handed to
> you on a silver platter ?
>
> Just my .02p worth.
>
> Justin.
>
>
Original Message
> From: conversionist@p... [noparse][[/noparse]mailto:conversionist@p...]
> Sent: 11 February 2003 18:22
> To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Show car? Talent?
>
>
> I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic
Stamp
> program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I
see what
> kind of a reply I might get!!
>
> Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors
available for
> college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no
gentle,
> caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool!
Instead,
> every child should be beaten and not given any material from what
others
> have learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty
minutes
> or must die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too
stupid to be
> allowed to live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe
in?
>
> T.A.
>I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic Stamp
>program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see
>what kind of a reply I might get!!
Why would you think that? The original poster acted very unprofessionally
by stating that he couldn't be bothered to figure out how to write the code
and gave the very distinct impression that writing code was beneath
him. When taken to task for his attitude, he responded by wanting to
settle it physically.
Now - maybe that is not what he intended to say. But that is how I, and
obviously many other readers, took it.
Most people asking for help do so politely. Those people I am will to
help, if I can.
dwayne
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This is a friendly place to come for help. That said, if you're student, you
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There are lots of us here who will assist.
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In a message dated 2/11/2003 12:14:37 PM Central Standard Time,
conversionist@p... writes:
> I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic Stamp
> program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see what
> kind of a reply I might get!!
>
> Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors available for
> college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no gentle,
> caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool! Instead,
> every child should be beaten and not given any material from what others
> have learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes
> or must die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to
> be allowed to live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
>
> T.A.
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
polite and helpful reflectors I've ever been a member of. I'm sure I
speak for most when I say thanks to everyone who posts to this group and
thanks to parallax for nonstop help and TONS of documentation or where
to get it. I love my stamps. [noparse]:)[/noparse]
ken
Original Message
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Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:20 PM
To: basicstamps@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Show car? Talent?
Huh?
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, <conversionist@p...> wrote:
> I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic
Stamp program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not
to. I see what kind of a reply I might get!!
>
> Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors
available for college students. No, let's put it another way! There
should be no gentle, caring teachers in elementary school,
kindergarten or preschool! Instead, every child should be beaten and
not given any material from what others have learned-every baby must
learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must die instantly
from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed to
live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
>
> T.A.
>
>
> [noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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I would suggest you to ask what you want, I do!!!! Sometimes I get an answer,
sometimes I don't. Sometimes the answer is what I need and what I want,
sometimes it's NOT. If they upset me. I just hit the DELETE key, and the
problem goes away.. It takes all kinds to make a world and this group has
it's fair share of the whole experience.
Leroy Hall
Original Message
From: "Ray V." <w2ec@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>; <conversionist@p...>
Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Show car? Talent?
: conversionist@p... wrote:
:
: > I was going to ask for some help on a certain aspect of a Basic Stamp
program I am having trouble with, but now I have decided not to. I see what
kind of a reply I might get!!
: >
: > Following this line of reasoning, there should be no tutors available for
college students. No, let's put it another way! There should be no gentle,
caring teachers in elementary school, kindergarten or preschool! Instead,
every child should be beaten and not given any material from what others have
learned-every baby must learn to reinvent the wheel in twenty minutes or must
die instantly from having his head beaten in. He is too stupid to be allowed
to live! Kill the untalented!!! Isn't that what you believe in?
: >
: > T.A.
: >
article he copied from a book and posted to a BBS wound up on a web page
years later attributed to him. Seems some moron kid tried to make the bomb
and blew off a few fingers in the process.
Probably the same reason some Stamp topics (like unmanned Stamp-based,
GPS-guide aircraft) are not publicly discussed.
Bottom line is that some projects just lend themselves to potential criminal
behavior and the old-timers know better than to help with it.
Original Message
> I've seen this same problem on two lists now and I guess people are
> worried.
> and I agree with what your saying somewhat
>
> 1 with the flashing lights you could pull someone over and rape them I
> guess ( this really scares men)
> 2 did you say you didn't have time to do the work ( that really pisses
> people off)
> 3 If you said it was a show car first, there would not have been such
> a scare
> 4 Keep asking some days people's answers are just as vague and
> demeaning as the questions
> 5 Has anyone been sued for helping on a internet list to date ?