Newbie circuit board building question
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I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
my project can plug into.
Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
way!
1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
20-pin female receptacles).
3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
on the board.
This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
work with a trace pen?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
--Alex
time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
my project can plug into.
Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
way!
1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
20-pin female receptacles).
3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
on the board.
This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
work with a trace pen?
Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
--Alex
Comments
It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good eye on the
etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a board, keep
yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much easier for the DIP
parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really need to make
a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple of hole
through for registers.
Have fun,
Jonathan
www.madlabs.info
Original Message
From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
> on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
> on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
> my project can plug into.
> Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
> way!
>
> 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
>
> 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
> onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> 20-pin female receptacles).
>
> 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
> on the board.
>
> This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
>
> By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
> put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
> work with a trace pen?
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --Alex
>
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do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver conductive
liquid that dries into the actual traces?
Original Message
From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> Alex,
>
> It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good eye on the
> etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a board, keep
> yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
>
> I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much easier for the
DIP
> parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really need to
make
> a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple of hole
> through for registers.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Jonathan
>
> www.madlabs.info
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
> > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
> > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
> > my project can plug into.
> > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
> > way!
> >
> > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> >
> > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
> > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > 20-pin female receptacles).
> >
> > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
> > on the board.
> >
> > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> >
> > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
> > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
> > work with a trace pen?
> >
> > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --Alex
> >
> >
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do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver conductive
liquid that dries into the actual traces?
Original Message
From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> Alex,
>
> It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good eye on the
> etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a board, keep
> yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
>
> I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much easier for the
DIP
> parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really need to
make
> a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple of hole
> through for registers.
>
> Have fun,
>
> Jonathan
>
> www.madlabs.info
>
>
>
Original Message
> From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
> > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
> > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
> > my project can plug into.
> > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
> > way!
> >
> > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> >
> > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
> > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > 20-pin female receptacles).
> >
> > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
> > on the board.
> >
> > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> >
> > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
> > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
> > work with a trace pen?
> >
> > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --Alex
> >
> >
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I mean a conductive marker. I would like to try etching a board later
for a more 'professional' project. Anything I need to be careful-of
with a conductive marker?
--alex
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Pat M <pmeloy@s...> wrote:
> By Trace Pen, do you mean a resist marker so you can etch the board
later or
> do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver
conductive
> liquid that dries into the actual traces?
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > Alex,
> >
> > It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good eye
on the
> > etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a
board, keep
> > yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
> >
> > I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much easier
for the
> DIP
> > parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really
need to
> make
> > a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple of
hole
> > through for registers.
> >
> > Have fun,
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > www.madlabs.info
> >
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the
first
> > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
2SX
> > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
pins
> > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the
rest of
> > > my project can plug into.
> > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
wrong
> > > way!
> > >
> > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > >
> > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
side-by-side
> > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
single-row
> > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > >
> > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
jack
> > > on the board.
> > >
> > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
something.
> > >
> > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
Stamp will
> > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
not
> > > work with a trace pen?
> > >
> > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > --Alex
> > >
> > >
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Wow, I had never heard of the "conductive pen" style. How well does this
work? Are the components mechanically sound? Do the traces stick to the
board well?
And Alex, never mind all I said before ;-)
Jonathan
www.madlabs.info
Original Message
From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:46 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> Pat,
>
> I mean a conductive marker. I would like to try etching a board later
> for a more 'professional' project. Anything I need to be careful-of
> with a conductive marker?
> --alex
>
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Pat M <pmeloy@s...> wrote:
> > By Trace Pen, do you mean a resist marker so you can etch the board
> later or
> > do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver
> conductive
> > liquid that dries into the actual traces?
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good eye
> on the
> > > etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a
> board, keep
> > > yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
> > >
> > > I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much easier
> for the
> > DIP
> > > parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really
> need to
> > make
> > > a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple of
> hole
> > > through for registers.
> > >
> > > Have fun,
> > >
> > > Jonathan
> > >
> > > www.madlabs.info
> > >
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the
> first
> > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> 2SX
> > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> pins
> > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the
> rest of
> > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> wrong
> > > > way!
> > > >
> > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
> side-by-side
> > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
> single-row
> > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > >
> > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> jack
> > > > on the board.
> > > >
> > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
> something.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
> Stamp will
> > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> not
> > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > >
> > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > --Alex
> > > >
> > > >
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Makes instant conductive silver traces. Just draw a line from
point-to-point, and in moments you have a highly conductive silver
trace (as narrow as 1/16"). You can use it on printed circuit boards
to link components, repair traces, make smooth jumpers and shield
delicate components. The conductive ink adheres to all printed circuit
board materials, dries in minutes at room temperature and is fully
conductive after twenty minutes. Resistivity is .03-.05 ohm/sq @ 1
mil. While hand soldering is not recommended, wave
soldering is ideal. Pen comes filled with enough silver conductive ink
to make 100 ft. of conductive traces.
I think they run $10-$15.
--Alex
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
wrote:
> Pat, Alex,
>
> Wow, I had never heard of the "conductive pen" style. How well does
this
> work? Are the components mechanically sound? Do the traces stick to
the
> board well?
>
> And Alex, never mind all I said before ;-)
>
> Jonathan
>
> www.madlabs.info
>
>
Original Message
> From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:46 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > Pat,
> >
> > I mean a conductive marker. I would like to try etching a board
later
> > for a more 'professional' project. Anything I need to be
careful-of
> > with a conductive marker?
> > --alex
> >
> >
> > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Pat M <pmeloy@s...> wrote:
> > > By Trace Pen, do you mean a resist marker so you can etch the
board
> > later or
> > > do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver
> > conductive
> > > liquid that dries into the actual traces?
> > >
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building
question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Alex,
> > > >
> > > > It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good
eye
> > on the
> > > > etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a
> > board, keep
> > > > yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
> > > >
> > > > I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much
easier
> > for the
> > > DIP
> > > > parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really
> > need to
> > > make
> > > > a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple
of
> > hole
> > > > through for registers.
> > > >
> > > > Have fun,
> > > >
> > > > Jonathan
> > > >
> > > > www.madlabs.info
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for
the
> > first
> > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic
Stamp
> > 2SX
> > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square
with 20
> > pins
> > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that
the
> > rest of
> > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this
the
> > wrong
> > > > > way!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and
my
> > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
> > side-by-side
> > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
> > single-row
> > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V
power-in
> > jack
> > > > > on the board.
> > > > >
> > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
> > something.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
> > Stamp will
> > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or
will
> > not
> > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > --Alex
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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with one. At first I thought it was useless, the liquid came out like a
thick mud which was pretty well impossible to draw with. Turns out you have
to shake them a LOT more than you'd think. I mean it took me about 5 minutes
of shaking to get the liquid to actually flow like liquid. A week later it
took only two-three minutes of shaking to get it going. The tips tend to
plug up when left for a little while too. Good idea to clean on a rag
thoroughly after use.
I haven't tried soldering on it - can't comment there.
My brother uses them at work for re-works and repairs on boards. He works
for 3M so they must work decently. Again, he only uses it for small bits on
boards and no soldering is involved.
Original Message
From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> I've never actually used one, but here's the description I found:
>
> Makes instant conductive silver traces. Just draw a line from
> point-to-point, and in moments you have a highly conductive silver
> trace (as narrow as 1/16"). You can use it on printed circuit boards
> to link components, repair traces, make smooth jumpers and shield
> delicate components. The conductive ink adheres to all printed circuit
> board materials, dries in minutes at room temperature and is fully
> conductive after twenty minutes. Resistivity is .03-.05 ohm/sq @ 1
> mil. While hand soldering is not recommended, wave
> soldering is ideal. Pen comes filled with enough silver conductive ink
> to make 100 ft. of conductive traces.
>
>
> I think they run $10-$15.
>
> --Alex
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> wrote:
> > Pat, Alex,
> >
> > Wow, I had never heard of the "conductive pen" style. How well does
> this
> > work? Are the components mechanically sound? Do the traces stick to
> the
> > board well?
> >
> > And Alex, never mind all I said before ;-)
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > www.madlabs.info
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > Pat,
> > >
> > > I mean a conductive marker. I would like to try etching a board
> later
> > > for a more 'professional' project. Anything I need to be
> careful-of
> > > with a conductive marker?
> > > --alex
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Pat M <pmeloy@s...> wrote:
> > > > By Trace Pen, do you mean a resist marker so you can etch the
> board
> > > later or
> > > > do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver
> > > conductive
> > > > liquid that dries into the actual traces?
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building
> question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Alex,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good
> eye
> > > on the
> > > > > etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a
> > > board, keep
> > > > > yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
> > > > >
> > > > > I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much
> easier
> > > for the
> > > > DIP
> > > > > parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really
> > > need to
> > > > make
> > > > > a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple
> of
> > > hole
> > > > > through for registers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have fun,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > > www.madlabs.info
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Original Message
> > > > > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for
> the
> > > first
> > > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic
> Stamp
> > > 2SX
> > > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square
> with 20
> > > pins
> > > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that
> the
> > > rest of
> > > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this
> the
> > > wrong
> > > > > > way!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and
> my
> > > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
> > > side-by-side
> > > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
> > > single-row
> > > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V
> power-in
> > > jack
> > > > > > on the board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
> > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
> > > Stamp will
> > > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or
> will
> > > not
> > > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > --Alex
> > > > > >
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Sound interesting, might be really handy for repairs. Let us know how it
works for you, I'd be curious to know.
Jonathan
www.madlabs.info
Original Message
From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 1:27 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> I've never actually used one, but here's the description I found:
>
> Makes instant conductive silver traces. Just draw a line from
> point-to-point, and in moments you have a highly conductive silver
> trace (as narrow as 1/16"). You can use it on printed circuit boards
> to link components, repair traces, make smooth jumpers and shield
> delicate components. The conductive ink adheres to all printed circuit
> board materials, dries in minutes at room temperature and is fully
> conductive after twenty minutes. Resistivity is .03-.05 ohm/sq @ 1
> mil. While hand soldering is not recommended, wave
> soldering is ideal. Pen comes filled with enough silver conductive ink
> to make 100 ft. of conductive traces.
>
>
> I think they run $10-$15.
>
> --Alex
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> wrote:
> > Pat, Alex,
> >
> > Wow, I had never heard of the "conductive pen" style. How well does
> this
> > work? Are the components mechanically sound? Do the traces stick to
> the
> > board well?
> >
> > And Alex, never mind all I said before ;-)
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> > www.madlabs.info
> >
> >
Original Message
> > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:46 PM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > Pat,
> > >
> > > I mean a conductive marker. I would like to try etching a board
> later
> > > for a more 'professional' project. Anything I need to be
> careful-of
> > > with a conductive marker?
> > > --alex
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, Pat M <pmeloy@s...> wrote:
> > > > By Trace Pen, do you mean a resist marker so you can etch the
> board
> > > later or
> > > > do you mean a conductive marker, where you draw with a silver
> > > conductive
> > > > liquid that dries into the actual traces?
> > > >
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: "Jonathan Peakall" <jpeakall@m...>
> > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 12:13 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building
> question
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Alex,
> > > > >
> > > > > It is about that easy. I find when using pens to keep a good
> eye
> > > on the
> > > > > etching process and don't over etch. Also, when hand drawing a
> > > board, keep
> > > > > yer greasy fingers off it while drawing ;-).
> > > > >
> > > > > I would get some pre made pads, the "rub on" type, much
> easier
> > > for the
> > > > DIP
> > > > > parts, and all parts actually. I doesn't sound like you really
> > > need to
> > > > make
> > > > > a two sided board. If you do, you might want to drill a couple
> of
> > > hole
> > > > > through for registers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have fun,
> > > > >
> > > > > Jonathan
> > > > >
> > > > > www.madlabs.info
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
Original Message
> > > > > From: <atl_guy1138@y...>
> > > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:30 AM
> > > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Newbie circuit board building question
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for
> the
> > > first
> > > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic
> Stamp
> > > 2SX
> > > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square
> with 20
> > > pins
> > > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that
> the
> > > rest of
> > > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this
> the
> > > wrong
> > > > > > way!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and
> my
> > > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
> > > side-by-side
> > > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
> > > single-row
> > > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V
> power-in
> > > jack
> > > > > > on the board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
> > > something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
> > > Stamp will
> > > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or
> will
> > > not
> > > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > --Alex
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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atl_guy1138@y... writes:
> I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp 2SX
> on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20 pins
> on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest of
> my project can plug into.
> Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the wrong
> way!
>
> 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
>
> 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-side
> onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> 20-pin female receptacles).
>
> 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in jack
> on the board.
>
> This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
>
> By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp will
> put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will not
> work with a trace pen?
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --Alex
Making your own boards is quite possible, however, if you have some extra $$
go to <A HREF="www.expresspcb.com">www.expresspcb.com</A>.
Download thier free software, layout your traces, email them the file. In
three days you have a quality board to populate with IC sockets etc.....
[noparse][[/noparse]Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
resistor lead to mimic the trace.
As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
soldering, that would make the difference.
Dave
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
<atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
2SX
> on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
pins
> on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
of
> my project can plug into.
> Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
wrong
> way!
>
> 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
>
> 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
side
> onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> 20-pin female receptacles).
>
> 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
jack
> on the board.
>
> This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
>
> By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
will
> put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
not
> work with a trace pen?
>
> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
> --Alex
Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist coated
blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local electronics
supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
will do) and then etch it.
With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do anyway),
the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
easy and reliable.
Regards,
Dwain.
Original Message
From: <davemucha@j...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
>
> Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> resistor lead to mimic the trace.
>
> As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> soldering, that would make the difference.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> 2SX
> > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> pins
> > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> of
> > my project can plug into.
> > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> wrong
> > way!
> >
> > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> >
> > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> side
> > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > 20-pin female receptacles).
> >
> > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> jack
> > on the board.
> >
> > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> >
> > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> will
> > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> not
> > work with a trace pen?
> >
> > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> > --Alex
>
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Where did you get toe CAD software?
Thanks,
Jim
"Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
> I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
>
> Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist coated
> blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local electronics
> supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> will do) and then etch it.
>
> With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do anyway),
> the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
>
> I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> easy and reliable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dwain.
>
Original Message
> From: <davemucha@j...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
> > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> >
> > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> >
> > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > soldering, that would make the difference.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > 2SX
> > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > pins
> > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > of
> > > my project can plug into.
> > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > wrong
> > > way!
> > >
> > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > >
> > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > side
> > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > >
> > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > jack
> > > on the board.
> > >
> > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > >
> > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > will
> > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > not
> > > work with a trace pen?
> > >
> > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > --Alex
> >
> >
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e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are looking for,
however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best program I
could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER, and
download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a fully
functional trial and damn good for starters!!
Regards,
Dwain.
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From: "Jim Beeson" <jbeeson@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> Dwain;
>
> Where did you get toe CAD software?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
>
> > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
> >
> > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
coated
> > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
electronics
> > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> > will do) and then etch it.
> >
> > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
anyway),
> > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> >
> > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> > easy and reliable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dwain.
> >
Original Message
> > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > >
> > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > >
> > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > 2SX
> > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > pins
> > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > > of
> > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > wrong
> > > > way!
> > > >
> > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > > side
> > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > >
> > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > jack
> > > > on the board.
> > > >
> > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > > will
> > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > not
> > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > >
> > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > --Alex
> > >
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through thin plain paper, he has sent me some scanned examples of his
boards, and his method appears better than the overhead transparency method,
it allows for finer tracks due better print resolution.
Regards,
Dwain.
Original Message
From: "Jim Beeson" <jbeeson@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> Dwain;
>
> Where did you get toe CAD software?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> "Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
>
> > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
> >
> > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
coated
> > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
electronics
> > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> > will do) and then etch it.
> >
> > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
anyway),
> > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> >
> > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> > easy and reliable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dwain.
> >
Original Message
> > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > >
> > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > >
> > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > 2SX
> > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > pins
> > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > > of
> > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > wrong
> > > > way!
> > > >
> > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > > side
> > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > >
> > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > jack
> > > > on the board.
> > > >
> > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > > will
> > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > not
> > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > >
> > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > --Alex
> > >
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on this list.
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Dwain J. Hill wrote:
> P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com or
> e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are looking for,
> however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best program I
> could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER, and
> download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a fully
> functional trial and damn good for starters!!
>
> Regards,
>
> Dwain.
>
Original Message
> From: "Jim Beeson" <jbeeson@s...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > Dwain;
> >
> > Where did you get toe CAD software?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
> >
> > "Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
> >
> > > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
> > >
> > > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> > > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
> coated
> > > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
> electronics
> > > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> > > will do) and then etch it.
> > >
> > > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
> anyway),
> > > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> > >
> > > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> > > easy and reliable.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dwain.
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> > >
> > > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > > >
> > > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > > >
> > > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > > 2SX
> > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > > pins
> > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > > > of
> > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > > wrong
> > > > > way!
> > > > >
> > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > >
> > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > > > side
> > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > >
> > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > > jack
> > > > > on the board.
> > > > >
> > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > > > >
> > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > > > will
> > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > > not
> > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > --Alex
> > > >
> > > >
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Sean T. Lamont, CTO / Chief NetNerd, Abstract Software, Inc. (ServNet)
Seattle - Bellingham - Vancouver - Portland - Everett - Tacoma - Bremerton
email: lamont@a... WWW: http://www.serv.net
"Do not fear mistakes, There Are None" - Miles Davis
difficult part is layout - routing those traces isn't a cakewalk, though
again, its easier than you might think.
If you do try, the thing that got me for the first half dozen boards was
under-exposure. I kept worrying about over-exposing the boards and having my
"good" resist wash away. The opposite happened! Without enough exposure I'd
have the board in the developer so long it'd thin out the resist I wanted
left alone. It also resulted in a thin, invisible layer of resist being left
on the boards. This made me leave the boards in etchant so long that copper
was being eaten out from under the resist.
Tips:
1) Make sure your artwork is solid black. Choose highest quality or densest
print in preferences.
2) Make a piece of test artwork. Some design that is repeated 5-6 times, has
very thin lines (0.010 or 0.012) and its total size is the size of an
unexposed PCB you have. Put the artwork on the PCB then cover it with the
PCB's opaque wrapper. Turn on your light source and slide the wrapper back
to expose only 1 of the designs. Expose that for a couple of minutes then
pull the wrapper back further to expose another design. After 30 more
seconds, expose another. The first design you exposed will have the longest
exposure. The idea is to have a board with a set of various exposure times
on it between recommended exposure -1 min to recommended exposure +2 minutes
or so.
Now develop the board and see which exposure times worked the best. Remember
NOT to pull the board out the instant the unwanted resist appears to be gone
(no colour showing). There will most likely be an invisible film of it still
there. Give it another 30 seconds or so. Write down the times that seemed to
work well.
Now etch the board. Keep an eye on it through the process. Which exposure
times seem to have lots of unwanted copper left? Which ones have clumping
between traces? The best exposure area should be free of copper first
without breaks in the tiny traces.
I wrecked 4 PCBs trying to find the right timings for exposure and etching.
Considering those four were two purchased boards cut in half, it was pretty
cheap [noparse]:D[/noparse]
Original Message
From: "Dwain J. Hill" <dwainsworld@e...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
>
> Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist coated
> blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
electronics
> supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> will do) and then etch it.
>
> With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
anyway),
> the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
>
> I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> easy and reliable.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dwain.
>
Original Message
> From: <davemucha@j...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> >
> > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> >
> > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > soldering, that would make the difference.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > 2SX
> > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > pins
> > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > of
> > > my project can plug into.
> > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > wrong
> > > way!
> > >
> > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > >
> > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > side
> > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > >
> > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > jack
> > > on the board.
> > >
> > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > >
> > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > will
> > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > not
> > > work with a trace pen?
> > >
> > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance,
> > > --Alex
> >
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I don't think that you should be jumping to conclusions on this forum.
I in no way advocated what you suggested, and in fact the only thing that I
did advocate was using trial software of TRAXMAKER, which is freely
available from the maker, there are two ways to get it, one is from their
site the other is from P2P software, where one might also find other useful
downloads.Go read my post again, and read what is there not what you THINK
is there.
I am offended by your inference.
Regards,
Dwain.
Original Message
From: "Sean T. Lamont .lost." <lamont@a...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:27 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
> I don't think that you should be advocating theft of intellectual property
> on this list.
>
> On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Dwain J. Hill wrote:
>
> > P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com or
> > e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are looking
for,
> > however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best program I
> > could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER, and
> > download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a fully
> > functional trial and damn good for starters!!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dwain.
> >
Original Message
> > From: "Jim Beeson" <jbeeson@s...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > Dwain;
> > >
> > > Where did you get toe CAD software?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at
home.
> > > >
> > > > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the
artwork,
> > > > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
> > coated
> > > > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
> > electronics
> > > > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base
solution
> > > > will do) and then etch it.
> > > >
> > > > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
> > anyway),
> > > > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> > > >
> > > > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are
cheap,
> > > > easy and reliable.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Dwain.
> > > >
Original Message
> > > > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> > > >
> > > > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness
of
> > > > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > > > >
> > > > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend
a
> > > > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > > > >
> > > > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards
with
> > > > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138
<atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the
first
> > > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > > > 2SX
> > > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > > > pins
> > > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the
rest
> > > > > of
> > > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > > > wrong
> > > > > > way!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
side-by-
> > > > > side
> > > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
single-row
> > > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > > > jack
> > > > > > on the board.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
something.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
Stamp
> > > > > will
> > > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > > > not
> > > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > --Alex
> > > > >
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The other thing that I have found important is WEAR OLD CLOTHES AND DON'T
ACCIDENTALLY GET ANY DROPS OF CHEMICALS ON YOUR LOUNGE.
These chemicals really don't like clothing die!!
Original Message
From: "Pat M" <pmeloy@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> Me too. It sounds a lot harder and scarier than it really is. The most
> difficult part is layout - routing those traces isn't a cakewalk, though
> again, its easier than you might think.
>
> If you do try, the thing that got me for the first half dozen boards was
> under-exposure. I kept worrying about over-exposing the boards and having
my
> "good" resist wash away. The opposite happened! Without enough exposure
I'd
> have the board in the developer so long it'd thin out the resist I wanted
> left alone. It also resulted in a thin, invisible layer of resist being
left
> on the boards. This made me leave the boards in etchant so long that
copper
> was being eaten out from under the resist.
>
> Tips:
> 1) Make sure your artwork is solid black. Choose highest quality or
densest
> print in preferences.
> 2) Make a piece of test artwork. Some design that is repeated 5-6 times,
has
> very thin lines (0.010 or 0.012) and its total size is the size of an
> unexposed PCB you have. Put the artwork on the PCB then cover it with the
> PCB's opaque wrapper. Turn on your light source and slide the wrapper back
> to expose only 1 of the designs. Expose that for a couple of minutes then
> pull the wrapper back further to expose another design. After 30 more
> seconds, expose another. The first design you exposed will have the
longest
> exposure. The idea is to have a board with a set of various exposure times
> on it between recommended exposure -1 min to recommended exposure +2
minutes
> or so.
>
> Now develop the board and see which exposure times worked the best.
Remember
> NOT to pull the board out the instant the unwanted resist appears to be
gone
> (no colour showing). There will most likely be an invisible film of it
still
> there. Give it another 30 seconds or so. Write down the times that seemed
to
> work well.
>
> Now etch the board. Keep an eye on it through the process. Which exposure
> times seem to have lots of unwanted copper left? Which ones have clumping
> between traces? The best exposure area should be free of copper first
> without breaks in the tiny traces.
>
> I wrecked 4 PCBs trying to find the right timings for exposure and
etching.
> Considering those four were two purchased boards cut in half, it was
pretty
> cheap [noparse]:D[/noparse]
>
>
Original Message
> From: "Dwain J. Hill" <dwainsworld@e...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at home.
> >
> > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the artwork,
> > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
coated
> > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
> electronics
> > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base solution
> > will do) and then etch it.
> >
> > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
> anyway),
> > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> >
> > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are cheap,
> > easy and reliable.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Dwain.
> >
Original Message
> > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> >
> >
> > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness of
> > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > >
> > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend a
> > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > >
> > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards with
> > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > >
> > > Dave
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138 <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the first
> > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > 2SX
> > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > pins
> > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the rest
> > > of
> > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > wrong
> > > > way!
> > > >
> > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > >
> > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle side-by-
> > > side
> > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any single-row
> > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > >
> > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > jack
> > > > on the board.
> > > >
> > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting something.
> > > >
> > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the Stamp
> > > will
> > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > not
> > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > >
> > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > >
> > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > --Alex
> > >
> > >
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sugest a product called press n peel basicly it is
like inkjet photo paper the glossy stuff you print
your design on it iron it with a clothes iron on a
clean pcboard peel the paper backing off and throw
it in the etchent in my case ferric cloride works
perfect well worth getting a printer bye the way
i have had some sucsess with using a inkjet photo
paper almost the exact same process you can get 60
sheets for around 14 bucks it all depends on how
dark you can print the image with the laser printer
the darker the better once it is on the copper you
can always touch it up with a resist pen
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otherwise, use media sharing to get the real version". If that's not what
you meant, I apologize.
On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Dwain J. Hill wrote:
> Sean,
>
> I don't think that you should be jumping to conclusions on this forum.
>
> I in no way advocated what you suggested, and in fact the only thing that I
> did advocate was using trial software of TRAXMAKER, which is freely
> available from the maker, there are two ways to get it, one is from their
> site the other is from P2P software, where one might also find other useful
> downloads.Go read my post again, and read what is there not what you THINK
> is there.
>
> I am offended by your inference.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dwain.
>
Original Message
> From: "Sean T. Lamont .lost." <lamont@a...>
> To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:27 AM
> Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
>
>
> >
> > I don't think that you should be advocating theft of intellectual property
> > on this list.
> >
> > On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Dwain J. Hill wrote:
> >
> > > P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com or
> > > e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are looking
> for,
> > > however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best program I
> > > could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER, and
> > > download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a fully
> > > functional trial and damn good for starters!!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Dwain.
> > >
Original Message
> > > From: "Jim Beeson" <jbeeson@s...>
> > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 10:00 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dwain;
> > > >
> > > > Where did you get toe CAD software?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Dwain J. Hill" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I have had great success etching my own boards in the kitchen at
> home.
> > > > >
> > > > > Using CAD software downloaded from the internet, I draw up the
> artwork,
> > > > > print it to an overhead sheet on my BJ printer, expose some resist
> > > coated
> > > > > blank PCB material which is not all that expensive from my local
> > > electronics
> > > > > supplier,, then develop it using drain cleaner (any mildly base
> solution
> > > > > will do) and then etch it.
> > > > >
> > > > > With the exception of the artwork (which I find heaps of fun to do
> > > anyway),
> > > > > the whole process takes about 35-40 minutes.
> > > > >
> > > > > I use these boards at the first working prototype stage, they are
> cheap,
> > > > > easy and reliable.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dwain.
> > > > >
Original Message
> > > > > From: <davemucha@j...>
> > > > > To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 3:01 PM
> > > > > Subject: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> > > > >
> > > > > > I have never used the conductive pen, but check out the thickness
> of
> > > > > > the traces. make sure the current capacity is high enough.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Also, if you find you do need a high power trace or two, just bend
> a
> > > > > > resistor lead to mimic the trace.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As another cheap solution, Radio Shaq offers simple breadboards
> with
> > > > > > pre-drilled holes and solder pads. you have to add all the traces
> > > > > > between pads, but if the conductive pen is a poor choice for hand
> > > > > > soldering, that would make the difference.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, "atl_guy1138
> <atl_guy1138@y...>"
> > > > > > <atl_guy1138@y...> wrote:
> > > > > > > I am going to try my hand at putting together a board for the
> first
> > > > > > > time, and really don't know what I'm doing. I have a Basic Stamp
> > > > > > 2SX
> > > > > > > on the OEM board (the board that's about 2 inches square with 20
> > > > > > pins
> > > > > > > on one side) and need to create an 'interface board' that the
> rest
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > my project can plug into.
> > > > > > > Here's my plan....please let me know if I'm going about this the
> > > > > > wrong
> > > > > > > way!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 1) Draw all my 'current' traces on the top of the board, and my
> > > > > > > 'ground' traces on the bottom, with a trace pen.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Solder an 8-pin and a 12-pin female header receptacle
> side-by-
> > > > > > side
> > > > > > > onto the board for the stamp to plug into (cant find any
> single-row
> > > > > > > 20-pin female receptacles).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) Solder all my headphone jacks, db25 port, and my 5V power-in
> > > > > > jack
> > > > > > > on the board.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This just sounds too simple...I feel like I'm forgetting
> something.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > By the way, will a trace pen do the job for the 5V that the
> Stamp
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > put out? Is there any particular type of board that will or will
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > work with a trace pen?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks in advance,
> > > > > > > --Alex
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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"Do not fear mistakes, There Are None" - Miles Davis
them -- otherwise you should direct someone to the proper URL. Since 99.999%
of the usage of these media sharing programs is for stealing copyrighted
material, no wonder everyone is critical of your suggestion.
Original Message
> I read that as "If you want a trial version, get it from their web site ;
> otherwise, use media sharing to get the real version". If that's not what
> you meant, I apologize.
> > I don't think that you should be jumping to conclusions on this forum.
> >
> > I in no way advocated what you suggested, and in fact the only thing
that I
> > did advocate was using trial software of TRAXMAKER, which is freely
> > available from the maker, there are two ways to get it, one is from
their
> > site the other is from P2P software, where one might also find other
useful
> > downloads.Go read my post again, and read what is there not what you
THINK
> > is there.
> > > I don't think that you should be advocating theft of intellectual
property
> > > on this list.
> > > > P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com or
> > > > e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are
looking
> > for,
> > > > however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best
program I
> > > > could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER,
and
> > > > download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a
fully
> > > > functional trial and damn good for starters!!
You appear to be at odds with what the operators of the services say that
their service is for, and if what you say is true, then they would have been
shut down, as has already been the case with one of these services. Perhaps
if this is what YOU perceive is the purpose of P2P, then it is you that I
should be concerned about.
I found nothing but garbage when I did a google search, there are so many
PCB design programs out there, and all claim to be the best, I wasted a lot
of downloading on them.I discovered trax maker by searching KAZAK with the
keyword "PCB", oh and incidentally, the download speed was faster from
KAZAA.
It is obvious that using a P2P search will most effectively find what
software is being currently used by real people, thus you are more likely
to get a decent program first time, which was the case with me.
When you say that I SHOULD have advised a google search, are you advocating
Google searches as the only search engine to use? Do you have any commercial
interest in promoting google as a product? I don't think that we should be
promoting any product other than Basic Stamps on this forum. There are MANY
MANY other good search engines out there, and those contained within P2P
software are among them, they simply search a different database.
Your perception of one reply as "everyone" amuses me.
I didn't direct straight to the URL, as I just couldn't be bothered locating
it myself. I'm lazy, and I suggested the method that worked for me, SO WIND
YOUR NECK IN MATE.
Original Message
From: "Rodent" <daweasel@s...>
To: <basicstamps@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [noparse][[/noparse]basicstamps] Re: Newbie circuit board building question
> If there are legit, trial versions out there, any search engine should
find
> them -- otherwise you should direct someone to the proper URL. Since
99.999%
> of the usage of these media sharing programs is for stealing copyrighted
> material, no wonder everyone is critical of your suggestion.
>
>
Original Message
>
> > I read that as "If you want a trial version, get it from their web site
;
> > otherwise, use media sharing to get the real version". If that's not
what
> > you meant, I apologize.
>
> > > I don't think that you should be jumping to conclusions on this forum.
> > >
> > > I in no way advocated what you suggested, and in fact the only thing
> that I
> > > did advocate was using trial software of TRAXMAKER, which is freely
> > > available from the maker, there are two ways to get it, one is from
> their
> > > site the other is from P2P software, where one might also find other
> useful
> > > downloads.Go read my post again, and read what is there not what you
> THINK
> > > is there.
>
> > > > I don't think that you should be advocating theft of intellectual
> property
> > > > on this list.
>
> > > > > P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com
or
> > > > > e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are
> looking
> > > for,
> > > > > however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best
> program I
> > > > > could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for
TRAXMAKER,
> and
> > > > > download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a
> fully
> > > > > functional trial and damn good for starters!!
>
>
>
>
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people who support software piracy? Go figure.
Original Message
> You appear to be at odds with what the operators of the services say that
> their service is for, and if what you say is true, then they would have
been
> shut down, as has already been the case with one of these services.
<snip>
> I didn't direct straight to the URL, as I just couldn't be bothered
locating
> it myself. I'm lazy, and I suggested the method that worked for me, SO
WIND
> YOUR NECK IN MATE.
> promoting any product other than Basic Stamps on this forum.
And of course Kazaa and eDonkey [noparse];)[/noparse]
All in good fun,
-- Kyle S.
daweasel@s... writes:
> If there are legit, trial versions out there, any search engine should find
> them -- otherwise you should direct someone to the proper URL. Since
> 99.999%
> of the usage of these media sharing programs is for stealing copyrighted
> material, no wonder everyone is critical of your suggestion.
<A HREF="www.expresspcb.com">www.expresspcb.com</A>
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kenneth_m_73149@y... writes:
> if you have acess to a laser printer i would highly
> sugest a product called press n peel basicly it is
> like inkjet photo paper the glossy stuff you print
> your design on it iron it with a clothes iron on a
> clean pcboard peel the paper backing off and throw
> it in the etchent in my case ferric cloride works
> perfect well worth getting a printer bye the way
> i have had some sucsess with using a inkjet photo
> paper almost the exact same process you can get 60
> sheets for around 14 bucks it all depends on how
> dark you can print the image with the laser printer
> the darker the better once it is on the copper you
> can always touch it up with a resist pen
>
This method workd really good, But drilling the holes is a pain
<A HREF="www.expresspcb.com">www.expresspcb.com</A>
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dwainsworld@e... writes:
> P2P software is your friend here, if you have Kazaa www.kazaa.com or
> e-donkey www.edonkey.com you may be able to find what you are looking for,
> however for a very very nice trial version of what is the best program I
> could find (and DAMN) easy to use, do a google search for TRAXMAKER, and
> download their trial version, it expires after a month but is a fully
> functional trial and damn good for starters!!
>
> Regards,
>
>
<A HREF="www.expresspcb.com">www.expresspcb.com</A>
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You can turn a design around in two days relatively inexpensively.
And the quality is great. Their traces can be as thin as .007" and
vias down to .020". Layout software is free, easy to use. They have
component layouts for lots of typical parts labeled with DigiKey
part numbers. They also support SMT landing pads and have all the
popular ones defined, things like SOIC 8, 16, etc.
Once your done with the design, just hit the order button and the
design is transfered to ExpressPCB. They take 1 day to manufactur
and ship overnight. Boards are at your door is two days.
Highly recommended.
Gary
--- In basicstamps@yahoogroups.com, smartdim@a... wrote:
> In a message dated 2/3/2003 3:10:22 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> dwainsworld@e... writes:
>
>
> <A HREF="www.expresspcb.com">www.expresspcb.com</A>
>
>
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here on yahoo http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Homebrew_PCBs/
Cellar magazine. I believe it was Jan 2001. For about $300, you
can set up a complete PCB lab that makes high quality boards,
with fine, straight traces. The software is Ares Lite and the board
material is from Kepro. It uses a UV table that you construct. A
4" by 6" single sided boards costs about $4.
Paul Verhage